Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-06-06 Thread Peter Scanlon
Please please do not put the name in the subject line.

- Original Message - 
From: John Schwery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: List Name In Subject Line


 Someone asked why the words pc audio are extra verbiage, when one
 considers if all lists would have the name in the subject line, it
 adds up.  Keep the names out of subject lines and learn to filter 
 messages.

 earlier, Steve Pattison, wrote:

I completely agree with Jonathan.  I definitely wouldn't want the
name of this list in the subject line!

At 09:20 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote:
 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be 
 in
 its own folder.

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-06-01 Thread Gary Wood
As was mentioned, anyone should be able to filter messages without the list 
name in the subject line!
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From: Dancing Queen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 Not me, I'd love it as it'd make it easier to filter the mail

 Trace

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 From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:28 PM
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


I also object to putting the list name in the subject line!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Adrian Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:24 AM
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 Good morning, Tom.

 I filter list messages into a separate folder, not my in-box. I vote
 against
 putting the list name in the subject line. It's done on another list, 
 and
 I
 often find it distracts me from the real subject. It means I have to 
 keep
 filtering the name out of my head when I'm going down a list of 
 messages.

 I know that however you resolve this question, it will be a carefully
 considered decision.
 - Original Message -
 From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line and got one
 negative message about it. Since apparently no one else noticed or cared
 I
 removed it. Personally I like the list name in the subject line because
 it
 makes for easier filtering. If enough list members want it I'll put it
 in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator ** Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the 
 subject
 line has the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-06-01 Thread Chuck Adkins
Hey guys, enough already. Tom has already decided he is not going to mess 
with it. I'm sorry I brought it up


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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


I definitely do not want the list name in the subject field.  It would mean
 taking much more time going through the mail.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Bob Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:06 AM
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line



 I agree with Jonathan.

 Does it really add anything anway?

 One would hope that list members are experienced enough not to require 
 the
 list name in the subject line to tell them what the source of the message
 is.

 Bob Nelson


 - Original Message - 
 From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:20 PM
 Subject: RE: List Name In Subject Line


 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be 
 in
 its own folder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Eickmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 11:11 p.m.
 To: PC audio discussion list.
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line

 Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of
 emails
 from various lists.  I personally like it as well


 At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

** Message Separator **
 Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
 the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-06-01 Thread Gary Petraccaro
I definitely do not want the list name in the subject field.  It would mean 
taking much more time going through the mail.

- Original Message - 
From: Bob Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line



 I agree with Jonathan.

 Does it really add anything anway?

 One would hope that list members are experienced enough not to require the
 list name in the subject line to tell them what the source of the message
 is.

 Bob Nelson


 - Original Message - 
 From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:20 PM
 Subject: RE: List Name In Subject Line


 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
 its own folder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Eickmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 11:11 p.m.
 To: PC audio discussion list.
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line

 Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of
 emails
 from various lists.  I personally like it as well


 At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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 Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
 the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-06-01 Thread Mac Norins
One could only hope that everyone had your expertise, right?
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From: Bob Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line



I agree with Jonathan.

Does it really add anything anway?

One would hope that list members are experienced enough not to require the 
list name in the subject line to tell them what the source of the message 
is.

Bob Nelson


- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: List Name In Subject Line


 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
 its own folder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Eickmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 11:11 p.m.
 To: PC audio discussion list.
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line

 Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of 
 emails
 from various lists.  I personally like it as well


 At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

** Message Separator **
 Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
 the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of 
emails from various lists.  I personally like it as well


At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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 Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
 the list name? Just my idea.



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RE: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
its own folder.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Eickmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 11:11 p.m.
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line

Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of emails
from various lists.  I personally like it as well


At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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 Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Adrian Spratt
Good morning, Tom.

I filter list messages into a separate folder, not my in-box. I vote against 
putting the list name in the subject line. It's done on another list, and I 
often find it distracts me from the real subject. It means I have to keep 
filtering the name out of my head when I'm going down a list of messages.

I know that however you resolve this question, it will be a carefully 
considered decision.
- Original Message -
From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line and got one 
negative message about it. Since apparently no one else noticed or cared I 
removed it. Personally I like the list name in the subject line because it 
makes for easier filtering. If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

** Message Separator ** Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject 
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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Bruce Toews
I agree with Adrian and Jonathan on this one.

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On Thu, 31 May 2007, Adrian Spratt wrote:

 Good morning, Tom.

 I filter list messages into a separate folder, not my in-box. I vote against
 putting the list name in the subject line. It's done on another list, and I
 often find it distracts me from the real subject. It means I have to keep
 filtering the name out of my head when I'm going down a list of messages.

 I know that however you resolve this question, it will be a carefully
 considered decision.
 - Original Message -
 From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line and got one
 negative message about it. Since apparently no one else noticed or cared I
 removed it. Personally I like the list name in the subject line because it
 makes for easier filtering. If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Chuck Adkins
I strongly disagree. It's easier if there is one subject line for filtering. 
As far as verbiage, how could the words PC Audio be that much more.
- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: List Name In Subject Line


 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
 its own folder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Eickmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 11:11 p.m.
 To: PC audio discussion list.
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line

 Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of 
 emails
 from various lists.  I personally like it as well


 At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Brandon Hicks
Hi,
I'd like to have the name in the subject line. That's how I filter out 
all the other lists I work on, and that seems to be the only method 
that'll work. I can't filter by the address of the list for some reason, 
I'm not sure why it won't work, so I'd like to have the list name in the 
subject.
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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Martina Letochová
I'm also for the list name in the subject line.
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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Adrian Spratt
For anyone wondering how to filter messages from a list into a separate 
folder, I'm copying instructions from another list.  If I weren't rushing 
this morning, I'd substitute PC Audio's name for the one in the example, and 
I apologize for not doing so.  Here goes:

This example will be for making a filter for the jaws users list. It is only 
a sample rule to give you the idea how these things are created.  Once
you understand the basic concept you'll be able to create other rules for 
yourself.

First make a folder named jaws users.
To do so press control shift E, type jaws users, then tab and arrow up to 
Local folders, then hit enter.
Press alt T, then R to take you to message rules
Enter on mail.
Tab over to New and press the space bar.
Arrow down until you hear where the subject line contains specific words and 
press the space bar.
Tab once to the Actions list.  You will hear Move it to the specified 
folder.
Again, press the space bar.
Tab once to the rules description dialog and down arrow one time.
You will hear where the subject line contains specific words.
Hit enter.
Type in [jaws_users].
Tab one time to Add and press enter.
Now tab until you hear OK and press enter.

You will be back at the rules description dialog.
Now down arrow two times and you will hear specified.
Hit enter.
Now you will up or down arrow until you hear the name of your folder spoken, 
jaws users.
Tab over to Ok and hit enter.
Now tab once and hit the back space till the edit field is empty, give the 
Rule a name such as jaws users.
Now tab to ok and hit enter. Tab to apply and enter, enter on the OK button 
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RE: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Pattison
I completely agree with Jonathan.  I definitely wouldn't want the 
name of this list in the subject line!

At 09:20 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote:
Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
its own folder.

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Marijan Janev
Me too. I thought that pc-audio doesn't need such thing.

Steve Pattison said the following on 31.05.2007 15:14:
 I completely agree with Jonathan.  I definitely wouldn't want the 
 name of this list in the subject line!

 At 09:20 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote:
   
 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
 its own folder.
 

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RE: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Chris Skarstad
Yes, I agree, please don't do it! w! no!

At 08:14 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
I completely agree with Jonathan.  I definitely wouldn't want the
name of this list in the subject line!

At 09:20 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote:
 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
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 its own folder.

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Gary Wood
I also object to putting the list name in the subject line!
- Original Message - 
From: Adrian Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 Good morning, Tom.

 I filter list messages into a separate folder, not my in-box. I vote 
 against
 putting the list name in the subject line. It's done on another list, and 
 I
 often find it distracts me from the real subject. It means I have to keep
 filtering the name out of my head when I'm going down a list of messages.

 I know that however you resolve this question, it will be a carefully
 considered decision.
 - Original Message -
 From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line and got one
 negative message about it. Since apparently no one else noticed or cared I
 removed it. Personally I like the list name in the subject line because it
 makes for easier filtering. If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator ** Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject
 line has the list name? Just my idea.



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RE: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread John Schwery
Someone asked why the words pc audio are extra verbiage, when one 
considers if all lists would have the name in the subject line, it 
adds up.  Keep the names out of subject lines and learn to filter messages.

earlier, Steve Pattison, wrote:

I completely agree with Jonathan.  I definitely wouldn't want the
name of this list in the subject line!

At 09:20 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote:
 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
 its own folder.

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RE: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Norma A. Boge-Conyers
I also object to having the list name in the subject line.




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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread John Price
High Tom,
If you are concerned about people staying on topic, All they have to do is 
look at what's in the subject line.
For the most part, you have benn doing a very good job at reminding people 
not to stray off topic.
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From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: List Name In Subject Line


 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
 and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
 one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
 the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
 filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator **
Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
the list name? Just my idea.



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RE: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mike Pietruk
Guess I'm one of those rare birds that would appreciate the list name (or 
an abbreviated version thereof) in the subject line.
Just posting, having seen the overwhelming other side, to show that it 
isn't necessarily 100% unamimous.




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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Donald L. Roberts
I really want to respond to this.  The list name in the subject 
line would be tolerable if persons didn't forward and cross post. 
For example, on the blind movie buffs list, you see subjects 
which begin with my corner, LITS, and subject lines which 
obviously originated with other lists.  Please, please, if it 
ain't broke, don't fix it.

Don Roberts

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From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:01 AM
Subject: List Name In Subject Line


Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mac Norins
It is interesting that a couple of list owners have chimed in, on this
subject.  Also, what about people's extensive footers, where they advertise
the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?  I think
this is one of those things where it depends on one's level of expertise, on
the computer, as to how one handles E mail, coming and going!  Should we ask
the other list owners to delete their tags, before making a decision, on
what to do with this list, which, I may also add, has gone through a couple
of owners, in the last couple of years?

Until we all learn how to filter messages, it is a moot point and those with
that expertise ought to help others, without it, to get to that point, not
just complain about the verbiage!  I think the extensive footer verbiage is
more of a problem, as it seems like bill board clutter, which only some of 
us can even say that they have ever seen, say, walking down a street! 
Adrian Spratt has the right idea, which I, for one, will embrace.  This is 
not one of those lists, to my way of thinking, where one can definitely say 
that one's level of expertise has to be such that a problem of this kind 
cannot be overcome, even though it takes a number of messages to get to a 
point, where the problem gets solved!  Just look at the number of posts, on 
the subject, if you want to talk about verbiage!  Put it to a vote, Tom!

Regards,

Mac Norins
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From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:01 AM
Subject: List Name In Subject Line


Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Dancing Queen
Not me, I'd love it as it'd make it easier to filter the mail

Trace

- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


I also object to putting the list name in the subject line!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Adrian Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:24 AM
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 Good morning, Tom.

 I filter list messages into a separate folder, not my in-box. I vote
 against
 putting the list name in the subject line. It's done on another list, and
 I
 often find it distracts me from the real subject. It means I have to keep
 filtering the name out of my head when I'm going down a list of messages.

 I know that however you resolve this question, it will be a carefully
 considered decision.
 - Original Message -
 From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line and got one
 negative message about it. Since apparently no one else noticed or cared 
 I
 removed it. Personally I like the list name in the subject line because 
 it
 makes for easier filtering. If enough list members want it I'll put it 
 in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator ** Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject
 line has the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Jana Jackson
I think it's a good idea.  Sure does help with the Bookshare volunteer lists 
which, like this one, tend to have a lot of traffic sometimes.  Take care!

Jana

- Original Message - 
From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: List Name In Subject Line


 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
 and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
 one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
 the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
 filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator **
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the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread John Price
High Mac,
I agree, we all should vote on it.
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From: Mac Norins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 It is interesting that a couple of list owners have chimed in, on this
 subject.  Also, what about people's extensive footers, where they 
 advertise
 the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?  I think
 this is one of those things where it depends on one's level of expertise, 
 on
 the computer, as to how one handles E mail, coming and going!  Should we 
 ask
 the other list owners to delete their tags, before making a decision, on
 what to do with this list, which, I may also add, has gone through a 
 couple
 of owners, in the last couple of years?

 Until we all learn how to filter messages, it is a moot point and those 
 with
 that expertise ought to help others, without it, to get to that point, not
 just complain about the verbiage!  I think the extensive footer verbiage 
 is
 more of a problem, as it seems like bill board clutter, which only some 
 of
 us can even say that they have ever seen, say, walking down a street!
 Adrian Spratt has the right idea, which I, for one, will embrace.  This is
 not one of those lists, to my way of thinking, where one can definitely 
 say
 that one's level of expertise has to be such that a problem of this kind
 cannot be overcome, even though it takes a number of messages to get to a
 point, where the problem gets solved!  Just look at the number of posts, 
 on
 the subject, if you want to talk about verbiage!  Put it to a vote, Tom!

 Regards,

 Mac Norins
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:01 AM
 Subject: List Name In Subject Line


 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
 and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
 one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
 the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
 filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

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the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Chris Skarstad
Hi. Having the list name in the subject line is extremely repetative, 
and as others have said already, creating a rule or filter  in your 
e-mail program will set it up so you'll know exactly which list you 
are checking.  That way, the list name won't *have* to be in the 
subject line at all, the filter is the solution for that. I use them, 
and they work beautifully. I never have any doubts as to which list I 
might be posting to.
and if you do have doubts, simply shift tabbing to the to: field will 
tell you which address you are sending the message to. If you educate 
yourself about your e-mail program and how to use it, it can really 
make life a lot easier.  Ok, enough on this subject, back to pc-audio stuff.





At 12:33 PM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Not me, I'd love it as it'd make it easier to filter the mail

Trace

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To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 I also object to putting the list name in the subject line!
  - Original Message -
  From: Adrian Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:24 AM
  Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line
 
 
  Good morning, Tom.
 
  I filter list messages into a separate folder, not my in-box. I vote
  against
  putting the list name in the subject line. It's done on another list, and
  I
  often find it distracts me from the real subject. It means I have to keep
  filtering the name out of my head when I'm going down a list of messages.
 
  I know that however you resolve this question, it will be a carefully
  considered decision.
  - Original Message -
  From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Chuck,
 
  Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line and got one
  negative message about it. Since apparently no one else noticed or cared
  I
  removed it. Personally I like the list name in the subject line because
  it
  makes for easier filtering. If enough list members want it I'll put it
  in.
 
  Tom
 
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  line has the list name? Just my idea.
 
 
 
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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Donald L. Roberts
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From: Mac Norins



what about people's extensive footers, where they
 advertise
 the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?

I respectfully disagree.  Oranges and apples!

One almost has to read the subject line to read or reply to the 
message.  However, he can easily choose not to read a footer with 
a quick press of his control key.

Don Roberts



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Filtration can also be done using the TO OR CC line in the message rules 
appropriately.  List name in the subject line is unnecessary and is only an 
additional clutter!!

Sincerely,
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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mac Norins
OK, so you disagree!
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


- Original Message - 
From: Mac Norins



what about people's extensive footers, where they
 advertise
 the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?

I respectfully disagree.  Oranges and apples!

One almost has to read the subject line to read or reply to the 
message.  However, he can easily choose not to read a footer with 
a quick press of his control key.

Don Roberts



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Bruce Toews
You need to remember, list owners, of which I thankfully no longer am one, 
are generally doing this voluntarily. There's no money in it, there's just 
lots of time, lots of on- and -off-list name-calling and insulting, and so 
on. A little bit of self-promotion at the end of messages, which is easily 
stopped with the control key, is a small price to pay, given the price 
paid by the list owner.

bruce

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On Thu, 31 May 2007, Mac Norins wrote:

 OK, so you disagree!
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 From: Donald L. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 - Original Message -
 From: Mac Norins



 what about people's extensive footers, where they
 advertise
 the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?

 I respectfully disagree.  Oranges and apples!

 One almost has to read the subject line to read or reply to the
 message.  However, he can easily choose not to read a footer with
 a quick press of his control key.

 Don Roberts



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mike Pietruk
Guys and gals

While I personally don't rquire the list name (or a shortened key) in the 
subject line, I believe most of you are missing the mainpoint behind it:
it simplifies filtering for those who are less sophisticated in the use of 
filtering in their email programming.
That's why I personally support the idea behind subject line tagging as  
it aids the general user.
Explain all you want how you can do this and that, and I may agree, but 
you will be going over the heads of the basic user.
Think beyound what is good 
for you personally and not what can be done as it is now.
The simpler msg sorting is made, the more people will use it.
And the simpler it is made, the more feedback you may get to your 
questions as it encourages more folks to participate.
It wouldn't even have to be the entire list name but perhaps a
pa) 

or

(pca)


prior to each subject.

The sentiment is pretty obvious -- and I understand it -- but perhaps what 
is missing is the notion that the needs of a basic user might be best 
served by such tagging even if it is either personally unneeded or 
slightly inconvenient.






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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Tom
Apparently Chuck opened a big can of worms and I proceeded to 
dump them all over the place.  Sorry.  There will be no 
changes to the subject line of the pc audio list.  At ease!

Thanks for expressing your opinions.

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Harmon
Amen brother,

It's a very thankless job at times.

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- Original Message - 
From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PC audio discussion list.  pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


You need to remember, list owners, of which I thankfully no longer am one, 
are generally doing this voluntarily. There's no money in it, there's just 
lots of time, lots of on- and -off-list name-calling and insulting, and so 
on. A little bit of self-promotion at the end of messages, which is easily 
stopped with the control key, is a small price to pay, given the price 
paid by the list owner.

bruce

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 OK, so you disagree!
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 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 - Original Message -
 From: Mac Norins



 what about people's extensive footers, where they
 advertise
 the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?

 I respectfully disagree.  Oranges and apples!

 One almost has to read the subject line to read or reply to the
 message.  However, he can easily choose not to read a footer with
 a quick press of his control key.

 Don Roberts



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mac Norins
Yes, I just hit the control key!  (Chuckle! Chuckle!)
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From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


You need to remember, list owners, of which I thankfully no longer am one, 
are generally doing this voluntarily. There's no money in it, there's just 
lots of time, lots of on- and -off-list name-calling and insulting, and so 
on. A little bit of self-promotion at the end of messages, which is easily 
stopped with the control key, is a small price to pay, given the price 
paid by the list owner.

bruce

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 OK, so you disagree!
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 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


 - Original Message -
 From: Mac Norins



 what about people's extensive footers, where they
 advertise
 the hell out of whatever it is that they are trying to promote?

 I respectfully disagree.  Oranges and apples!

 One almost has to read the subject line to read or reply to the
 message.  However, he can easily choose not to read a footer with
 a quick press of his control key.

 Don Roberts



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mac Norins
Thy will be done!

Glad that got cleared up!
- Original Message - 
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Apparently Chuck opened a big can of worms and I proceeded to 
dump them all over the place.  Sorry.  There will be no 
changes to the subject line of the pc audio list.  At ease!

Thanks for expressing your opinions.

Tom




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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Chuck Adkins
My goodness, I do apologize for opening that can, I just thought it might be 
a help and easier to filter, shows how much I know. It worked well on 
another list I'm on, so I thought it might on this one, just trying to help.

It's amazing though how emotional something like this can get that seems 
like to me not much of a big thing. I've put my can opener away!


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 Apparently Chuck opened a big can of worms and I proceeded to
 dump them all over the place.  Sorry.  There will be no
 changes to the subject line of the pc audio list.  At ease!

 Thanks for expressing your opinions.

 Tom




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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread John Price
Hello Tom,
I can't speak for everyone elce, but that works for me.
I like the list just the way you have it sat up.
Please keep up the good work!
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 Apparently Chuck opened a big can of worms and I proceeded to
 dump them all over the place.  Sorry.  There will be no
 changes to the subject line of the pc audio list.  At ease!

 Thanks for expressing your opinions.

 Tom




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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Gary King
Please do not put the list name in the subject field.  It's annoying and 
distracting!  I have no problem filtering all of my lists into different 
folders without this addition.

Gary King
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From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: List Name In Subject Line


 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
 and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
 one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
 the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
 filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator **
Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Talksina

Please do not put the list name in the subject field.  It's annoying and
distracting!  I have no problem filtering all of my lists into different
folders without this addition.

i don't agree, there are many situations where messages cannot be filtered, 
for example from my job computer I can check my personal e-mail just via 
web, and if messages do not have the correct subject tag, it's confusing. 
Or, most of situations, checking it from my pocket pc
well, I could put a filter also in the e-mail via web, but it's so 
complicated, and unfortunately on GMail, they put the html only version 
just to read and write messages, for the other options, filters included, 
you must use the standard version, totally unfriendly to screen readers
so it's hard to click on folders. I have this problem here and on blinux-list
in these situation, till I read the complete subject line, I have no way to 
understand if message is personal or from a list.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mac Norins
Good for you, Gary!  

-Mac-
- Original Message - 
From: Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


Please do not put the list name in the subject field.  It's annoying and 
distracting!  I have no problem filtering all of my lists into different 
folders without this addition.

Gary King
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- Original Message - 
From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: List Name In Subject Line


 Chuck,

 Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
 and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
 one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
 the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
 filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

 Tom

 ** Message Separator **
Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
the list name? Just my idea.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Talksina
mac: maybe, me and you, have the same point of view, which isn't gary's.
Of course every one has his/her own way to manage messages, and every one 
has his/her needs. The moderators cannot listen to every need of every 
subscriber, so he has to adapt the list to the majority
maybe, when it was born, pc-audio has the majority of people desiring not 
to have the subject prefix
I know that when I am at work I can't always read PC-audio so I don't 
participate to discussions, as for spam reasons, added to the fact of web 
mail, I delete almost every mail not tagged and coming from foreign people.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Mac Norins
I guess I lost the drift of that part of the thread that you were talking 
about, except to say that I do understand your particular problems, while at 
work!  As luck would have it, I work out of my home!

Regards,

-Mac-
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From: Talksina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line


mac: maybe, me and you, have the same point of view, which isn't gary's.
Of course every one has his/her own way to manage messages, and every one
has his/her needs. The moderators cannot listen to every need of every
subscriber, so he has to adapt the list to the majority
maybe, when it was born, pc-audio has the majority of people desiring not
to have the subject prefix
I know that when I am at work I can't always read PC-audio so I don't
participate to discussions, as for spam reasons, added to the fact of web
mail, I delete almost every mail not tagged and coming from foreign people.



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Lang
Has anybody here tried to make the speech synth omit the prefix of
subjects in mailing lists, where there are subject prefixes with the
screen reader exception dictionary? If this would work well, subject
prefixes wouldn't cause so much trouble for speech users.

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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I'd like to vote to have the list name in the subject line. I don't 
filter my messages, and I like the idea of quickly knowing which list 
the message I'm reading came from.

I could filter my messages, I'm technically capable, but I just don't. I 
could also set up something in the JFW dictionary to ignore a list name, 
but again I don't bother. Like I said, if I had a choice, I'd have the 
list name in the subject line, but to be honest, I'm subscribed to lists 
who do it both ways, and I can adapt either way.

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:
 Filtration can also be done using the TO OR CC line in the message rules 
 appropriately.  List name in the subject line is unnecessary and is only an 
 additional clutter!!

 Sincerely,
 Olusegun 



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Re: List Name In Subject Line

2007-05-31 Thread Bob Nelson

I agree with Jonathan.

Does it really add anything anway?

One would hope that list members are experienced enough not to require the 
list name in the subject line to tell them what the source of the message 
is.

Bob Nelson


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From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: List Name In Subject Line


 Oh please God, no! It serves absolutely no useful purpose and just makes
 more verbiage to listen through. It's perfectly easy to set up a rule or
 filter based on the header for those who want mail from the list to be in
 its own folder.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Eickmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 11:11 p.m.
 To: PC audio discussion list.
 Subject: Re: List Name In Subject Line

 Tom, I'd think this would be a good idea for people that get a lot of 
 emails
 from various lists.  I personally like it as well


 At 07:01 5/31/2007, you wrote:
Chuck,

Late last year I did have the list name in the subject line
and got one negative message about it.  Since apparently no
one else noticed or cared I removed it.  Personally I like
the list name in the subject line because it makes for easier
filtering.  If enough list members want it I'll put it in.

Tom

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 Tom, have you thought of fixing it so the subject line has
 the list name? Just my idea.



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