Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-15 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:33:13PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-10-11 à 11:37:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : I work to make sure that everything in Pd-extended is GPLv3 compatible. [...] Everything in Pd-extended is GPLv3, I think that it's better to remain picky in the

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-10-11 à 11:37:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : I work to make sure that everything in Pd-extended is GPLv3 compatible. [...] Everything in Pd-extended is GPLv3, I think that it's better to remain picky in the manner of saying things like that, and not confuse GPLv3 and

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-10-11 à 21:43:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Btw I exchanged a few emails with Richard Stallman on the topic, but I didn't do it as fast as I could, esp as I didn't get the replies I wanted on pd-list. Is there a need for speed? Well, I can

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-10-06 à 16:45:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Ok, I got confused with Library vs. Lesser LGPL v2 = GNU Library GPL LGPL v2.1 = GNU Lesser GPL LGPL v3.0 = most recent GNU Lesser GPL Is that unambiguous? yes, of course. (except for the possible « or later »). Ok, I'll see what I can

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 11:18 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-10-06 à 16:45:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Ok, I got confused with Library vs. Lesser LGPL v2 = GNU Library GPL LGPL v2.1 = GNU Lesser GPL LGPL v3.0 = most recent GNU Lesser GPL Is that unambiguous? yes, of

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-10-06 à 16:35:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : How do I make a connection from [route]'s rejection outlet to [s]?  With the current DesireData keyboard system I select [route] and do ctrl-tab9 times, then ctrl-down-array, then ctrl-tab 2 times, then Enter. Well, I didn't really work

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 21:44:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:44:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In my opinion, using GPLv3 has been the easiest of the options. It means that we can use code that is licensed with a BSD, MIT, Tcl, Apache, GPLv2, LGPL, GPLv3, etc..

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-29 à 10:37:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Something I was thinking about for the future is a way to model keyboard input after the efficiency of 'vi' input. The efficiency of vi input is only efficient to vi users. Other people want arrows because they're arrows. If not using

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-28 à 21:44:00, Marvin

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-10-06 à 15:46:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Then there are cases like pdogg, where LICENSE.txt is GPL v2 but in README.txt the author writes that the license is LGPL. Ok, this would be plain wrong, if it were the case. Then the author would have to be contacted, in order to make

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-29 à 10:37:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Something I was thinking about for the future is a way to model keyboard input after the efficiency of 'vi' input. The efficiency of vi input is only efficient to vi users. Well, I like staying in home

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-10-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:17:08PM +0800, Simon Wise wrote: typing into a spreadsheet cell is somewhat analogous, and probably a fairly common activity ... Nice connection! generally enter saves and exits the cell, while to put a newline into a cell without leaving it is ctrlenter ... not

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-29 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com To: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:17:08PM +0800, Simon Wise

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:37:45AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Something I was thinking about for the future is a way to model keyboard input after the efficiency of 'vi' input.  When in Edit mode without yet editing the text of an object, one could use h, j, k, and l to move the bounding

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-27 à 21:49:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34:43AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: The pdextended license (GPL) doesn't say to which parts of the programme it applies, and all the copyright/license notices I can find (in a bêta of 42) are all BSD. Changes

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/11 13:38, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-27 à 21:35:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : Using Shift-Enter for newlines doesn't seem like a very intuitive design to me. It's already used in Skype, but I'm pretty sure that I implemented it before I ever saw Skype, and I'm sure that I

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD License, some under the Tcl License (which Pd was originally), some under GPLv2, etc. My

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Wise
On 28/09/11 19:31, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD License, some under the Tcl License (which Pd was

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD License, some under the Tcl License (which

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Simon Wise wrote: On 28/09/11 19:31, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. Some sections of it are under the BSD

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 04:31:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : If I can't be sure that other Pd contributors won't claim that the GPL applies to contributions I'm making that are intended for the Vanilla's BSD core, that makes it a lot less attractive to contribute to this project. There you go.

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43:06AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The question with this patch then, is does it work fine on GNU/ Linux and Windows? I don't know. I'm experienced with cross-platform development and I have a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-26 à 20:29:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:26:27AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Check out the GUI plugins, they could be a fun way for you to learn Tcl. Yes, this is actually one of my

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 04:31:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : If I can't be sure that other Pd contributors won't claim that the GPL applies to contributions I'm making that are intended for the Vanilla's BSD core, that makes it a lot less

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 11:00:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is a fork of the pure-data.git repo of Miller, it is largely intended as

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 20:12:00, Simon Wise a écrit : Many parts are more widely usable than the GPL allows, but you would need to check the license for that part before doing so ... the only thing that the distribution claims is that its contents are all compatible with GPL3. I just downloaded Pd

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 11:00:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is a fork of

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 20:12:00, Simon Wise a écrit : Many parts are more widely usable than the GPL allows, but you would need to check the license for that part before doing so ... the only thing that the distribution claims is that its

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 11:31:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Yes, it would be misleading to say Pd is under the GPL. I haven't heard anyone say that. Pd-extended is under the GPL tho. Sorry. I meant that it's misleading to say that Pd-extended is under the GPL.

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-28 à 11:31:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Yes, it would be misleading to say Pd is under the GPL. I haven't heard anyone say that. Pd-extended is under the GPL tho. Sorry. I meant that it's misleading to say that

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-28 à 20:12:00, Simon Wise a écrit : Many

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mathieu

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-28 à 11:12:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Is there a precedent for the phrase Standard Improved BSD License for the three-clause BSD? It seems to be a puckettism that propagated throughout the pd world, including my references to «SIBSD» some years ago. If not, this needs to be

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:00:21AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is a fork of the pure-data.git repo of Miller, it is

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:38 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:00:21AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the maintainer and main author of the pd-extended.git, I will you give you my assurance that the code under pd-extended.git is under a BSD license. That repo is

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-28 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:44:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In my opinion, using GPLv3 has been the easiest of the options. It means that we can use code that is licensed with a BSD, MIT, Tcl, Apache, GPLv2, LGPL, GPLv3, etc.. So its the most compatible to the code that's

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-25 à 17:33:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Also, realize that any substantial changes you make may sit in the patch tracker for some time-- it's not easy getting them accepted, nor communicating with Miller if they don't. Anyone tried his phone number as listed at the top of

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-25 à 21:54:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : A patch which has consensus support from the community probably has a better chance at being applied, even under BDFL governance. :) That's merely a rule of thumb for the average project... it's better to know a bit about Miller than use a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-25 à 22:59:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : It's been forked-- four times (AFAIK).  Nova, DesireData, Pd-extended, and Pd-l2ork.  Two of those forks-- Nova and DesireData-- had explicitly stated goals which basically boiled down to being more responsive to the Pd community (in

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-25 à 09:29:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : The patch below fixes the problem. I don't know if it's the right solution, though. Pd doesn't _have_ to pass keynums around like that. If the Tk code were sending Up/Down/Left/Right names as given by Tk's bind's %K (uppercase), then you

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-25 à 22:59:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : It's been forked-- four times (AFAIK). Nova, DesireData, Pd- extended, and Pd-l2ork. Two of those forks-- Nova and DesireData-- had explicitly stated goals which basically boiled

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-27 à 12:14:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Pd-extended as a whole is under the GPLv3, that's the easiest way to think about it. I don't know what that means. My personal thoughts on the license of what is in pd-extended.git are more vague. Yes, the intention is for

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-27 à 10:45:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : I guess by Pd-extended as a whole you are including externals (since you mention the Tcl license, which I only ever saw in an external library).  In that case, add LGPL to the list (iemlib if I'm remembering correctly). Hans can't possibly

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-26 à 08:34:00, Richie Cyngler a écrit : None of these combinations provide that behavior on Pd Vanilla built from latest git on OS X 10.6:    control-Enter    command-Enter    option-Enter    shift-Enter I could live with control-Enter instead of ESC (especially since I've rewired

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-25 à 09:29:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : The patch below fixes the problem. I don't know if it's the right solution, though. Pd doesn't _have_ to pass keynums around like that. If the Tk code were sending

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 01:59:20PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: None of these combinations provide that behavior on Pd Vanilla built from latest git on OS X 10.6:    control-Enter    command-Enter    option-Enter    shift-Enter I could live with control-Enter instead of ESC (especially

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2011-09-25 à 09:29:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : The patch below fixes the problem. I don't know if it's the right solution, though. Pd doesn't _have_ to pass

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34:43AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: The three clauses of the BSD license used by Pd Vanilla are compatible with both the GPL v2 v3 Integrating GPL code with BSD code makes GPL the overall dominant license, as in it has all the clauses of BSD and makes the

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-27 à 20:47:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : This one has the advantage of removing the #ifdef __APPLE__ code from src/g_editor.c, as the normalization is now achieved via Tk. However, I don't yet understand all the ramifications, just as I did not with the last patch. looks all

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-26 à 17:26:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:40:22AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: so if you want your patches to be included into Pd proper, then they must (legally) be BSD3. The main restriction here is that you cannot take or revise someone else's code

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43:06AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The question with this patch then, is does it work fine on GNU/Linux and Windows? I don't know. I'm experienced with cross-platform development and I have a Windows 7 dev environment available via a Bootcamp partition, so

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-27 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-09-27 à 21:35:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 01:59:20PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Enter for accepting changes made in a box's text and exit that mode ; […] However, it's also the most invasive modification. If anyone is accustomed to being able to

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-26 07:59, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: The three clauses of the BSD license used by Pd Vanilla are compatible with both the GPL v2 v3 but not the other way round. so if you want your patches to be included into Pd proper, then they

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Chris McCormick
Hi, On 26/09/11 12:54, Marvin Humphrey wrote: Well, controlling entities for open source projects have to be responsive to their communities. If they are not, they get forked, or people move on to other things. I would say controlling entity is the least accurate description of Miller I

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I don't think plain Pd-extended has this key mapping. The completion plugin does include a mapping for creating the object, do you have that installed? .hc On Sep 25, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Richie Cyngler wrote: Oh wow, command+enter works for me! Thanks Jonathan my workflow just got a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 25, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 07:11:32AM -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 05:16:23PM +1000, Richie Cyngler wrote: If you drag select an object or group of objects you can use the nudge functionality with cursor keys, you

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 12:54 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 05:33:22PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you are planning on making substantial contributions to Pd Vanilla, I wouldn't say I'm planning on it -- more that I'd like to keep that option open. you should

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-26 07:59, Jonathan Wilkes wrote

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:20:13AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Welcome to Pd! This is a nice entry, showing up with a patch to fix a bug :-D. Thanks, nice to meet you. I may as well put these C skills to use, eh? The whole canvas_key thing is pretty messy, so I think your

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:20:13AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Welcome to Pd! This is a nice entry, showing up with a patch to fix a bug :-D. Thanks, nice to meet you. I may as well put these C skills to use, eh? The

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:26:27AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Check out the GUI plugins, they could be a fun way for you to learn Tcl. Yes, this is actually one of my motivations. :) I went through some of the Pd tutorials a couple years ago, and have meant to get back into it for a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:40:22AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: so if you want your patches to be included into Pd proper, then they must (legally) be BSD3. The main restriction here is that you cannot take or revise someone else's code that is licensed under the GPL and decide to

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:26:27AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Check out the GUI plugins, they could be a fun way for you to learn Tcl. Yes, this is actually one of my motivations. :) I went through some of the Pd tutorials a

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:29:45PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Wow, that's interesting. I don't often hear that, people using Tcl in their work. I write open source code for a living -- Eventful sponsors my work on the Apache Lucy search engine library, and that's where about 75% of

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread András Murányi
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 03:02, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:29:45PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Wow, that's interesting. I don't often hear that, people using Tcl in their work. I write open source code for a living -- Eventful sponsors

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:29:45PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Wow, that's interesting. I don't often hear that, people using Tcl in their work. I write open source code for a living -- Eventful sponsors my work on the

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Richie Cyngler
Hey Marvin, If you drag select an object or group of objects you can use the nudge functionality with cursor keys, you can also hold shift for block moves. So that functionality is already there. In regards to a key, like enter, to complete an object I think that's a great idea. I was just

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 05:16:23PM +1000, Richie Cyngler wrote: If you drag select an object or group of objects you can use the nudge functionality with cursor keys, you can also hold shift for block moves. So that functionality is already there. Thanks, Richie. It seems that there is a bug

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 07:11:32AM -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 05:16:23PM +1000, Richie Cyngler wrote: If you drag select an object or group of objects you can use the nudge functionality with cursor keys, you can also hold shift for block moves. So that

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com To: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Hey Marvin, If you drag select an object or group

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:51:56AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I'm using Pd-l2ork, and control-Enter toggles between creating the object and editing the text in the box. I thought Pd-extended had this same key binding, but Pd as installed from the debian package in Wheezy does not. None

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Richie Cyngler
Oh wow, command+enter works for me! Thanks Jonathan my workflow just got a whole lot smoother! Marvin I'm on OSX 10.6.8 running Pd-extended. Drag select and cursors keys are also working for me. Maybe give Pd-extended a try? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Marvin Humphrey

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:34:26AM +1000, Richie Cyngler wrote: Oh wow, command+enter works for me! Thanks Jonathan my workflow just got a whole lot smoother! Marvin I'm on OSX 10.6.8 running Pd-extended. Drag select and cursors keys are also working for me. Maybe give Pd-extended a try?

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com To: Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 05:33:22PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you are planning on making substantial contributions to Pd Vanilla, I wouldn't say I'm planning on it -- more that I'd like to keep that option open. you should consider making a few test contributions to gauge the amount of

Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-25 Thread Simon Wise
On 26/09/11 12:54, Marvin Humphrey wrote: Well, controlling entities for open source projects have to be responsive to their communities. If they are not, they get forked, or people move on to other things. ... or this community makes arrangements to be able to contribute to a codebase

[PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing

2011-09-24 Thread Marvin Humphrey
Greetings, A couple questions from a PD noob: First, is there any keyboard shortcut to signal I'm done editing text? When entering text into an object, a message, etc, it seems that the only way to signal that you are finished is a mouse click outside of the item being edited. I'd like to