On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Yeah, lets not turn a style guide into a style law.
Sometimes crossings are not avoidable indeed.
Well, I don't just mean that. I also mean that sometimes crossings are
clearer than any replacement for them. Often a simple X of wires is much
more
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Or making lines that go up for anything but feedback/loops.
Well, if you first make sure that most lines are as short as possible,
then there's not much need to worry about lines going up. A single-outlet
object connected to a single-inlet
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
And one last little story that I just remembered: I didn't realize that
[send pd] was even a possibility until recently. I had always seen [; pd dsp
1( and figured messages to pd had to be sent that way.
So is this a sign that this part of
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org
Cc: Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, March 25
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
I understand the point of making that information available, but once
you start describing a particular pd concept, don't you stick to one
term for the sake of clarity?
Well, ideally, perhaps... but I think that it's somewhat hard to do.
Perhaps
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Btw, it's in pd/doc/2.control.examples/10.more.messages.pd , and I'd have
trouble considering anything in that folder as being non-basic.
I must say, when thinking about the time when I learned
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org, Matt Barber
brbrof...@gmail.com, pd
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
Well, ideally, perhaps... but I think that it's
somewhat hard to do. Perhaps more so when teaching in French
(or any other language apart from English), because then you
have to deal
--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org, Matt Barber
brbrof...@gmail.com, pd
On Mar 21, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Martin Peach hat gesagt: // Martin Peach wrote:
It's a fun exercise for some kinds of mind to make all the non-
vertical
lines either horizontal or 45 degrees, as in the attached screen
grab.
Ha, yeah, that's really cute!
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think avoiding horizontal lines should be pretty high up there on the
no-no list. Or making lines that go up for anything but feedback/loops.
I sometimes do like lines going a little bit up when things are on the
Hallo,
Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote:
For example I'd rather start with making people properly left-align
their patches and avoid crossing patch cords
well, I do my best to reduce the number of crossings, but if I have
Hallo,
Martin Peach hat gesagt: // Martin Peach wrote:
It's a fun exercise for some kinds of mind to make all the non-vertical
lines either horizontal or 45 degrees, as in the attached screen grab.
Ha, yeah, that's really cute!
Unfortunatly I clashes with another personal preference I have:
On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:42 AM, Matt Barber wrote:
Ah, ok, I get it, the text in the msg boxes is basically the same
as the
text in the qlist file. That makes sense, and in the context of
[qlist] I
think it makes sense to teach about [; foo( sends. But I don't
think that
[qlist] is an
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Martin Peach hat gesagt: // Martin Peach wrote:
It's a fun exercise for some kinds of mind to make all the non-vertical
lines either horizontal or 45 degrees, as in the attached screen grab.
Ha, yeah, that's really cute!
Unfortunatly I clashes with another
hmm.. generally this could be a good idea, but message sending is most useful
when initialising a number of receives ie:
[loadbang]
|
|; init-1 6 /
|; init-2 symbol foo |
|; init-3 -2 \
which is far more elegant than the the trigger/send replacement, especially
with
I am not proposing to limit the use of dollar args in message boxes
for dynamic sends, that is a very useful feature. The example you give
here, though, is an example of a shortcut for typing, there is no
other benefit that I can see.
And at the risk of sounding pedantic, I am going to
--- On Fri, 3/20/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org
Subject: Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
To: dmotd dm...@gmx.net
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:25 PM
I am not proposing to limit the use
Also note that some objects, e.g. [qlist], positively depend on the
message sending style. My students who wanted to use them have often
wondered why we hadn't covered the two ways of sending more in depth.
Can you explain with an example? I don't understand why you must use
message boxes
Hallo,
Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote:
So in order to have my students understand [qlist] and its files, they
have found it very useful to know about the message system in message
boxes... it makes the message system in Pd on the whole a lot more
understandable and less
On Mar 20, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
hmm.. generally this could be a good idea, but message sending is
most useful
when initialising a number of receives ie:
[loadbang]
|
|; init-1 6 /
|; init-2 symbol foo |
|; init-3 -2 \
which is far more elegant than the the
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I am not proposing to limit the use of dollar args in message boxes for
dynamic sends, that is a very useful feature. The example you give here,
though, is an example of a shortcut for typing, there is no other
benefit that I can see.
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote:
For example I'd rather start with making people properly left-align
their patches and avoid crossing patch cords
well, I do my best to reduce the number of crossings, but if I have to
avoid crossings completely, I'll just avoid Pd...
Pd doesn't
On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Fri, 3/20/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org
Subject: Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
To: dmotd dm...@gmx.net
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Friday, March 20
On Mar 20, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
Also note that some objects, e.g. [qlist], positively depend on the
message sending style. My students who wanted to use them have
often
wondered why we hadn't covered the two ways of sending more in
depth.
Can you explain with an example?
Ah, ok, I get it, the text in the msg boxes is basically the same as the
text in the qlist file. That makes sense, and in the context of [qlist] I
think it makes sense to teach about [; foo( sends. But I don't think that
[qlist] is an essential object, especially for newbies. I am not
--- On Sat, 3/21/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org
Subject: Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
To: jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: dmotd dm...@gmx.net, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 2:48 AM
On Mar 20, 2009
Here's something that I'd like to propose for the style guide, based
on my teaching experience:
- use [send foo] instead of [; foo( for all sends that aren't
dynamically set
A lot of people find the [; foo( syntax confusing, and since it is
commonly used, it often gets in the way of
hmm.. generally this could be a good idea, but message sending is most useful
when initialising a number of receives ie:
[loadbang]
|
|; init-1 6 /
|; init-2 symbol foo |
|; init-3 -2 \
which is far more elegant than the the trigger/send replacement, especially
with more
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