Re: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-13 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
Wednesday, December 12, 2001, 4:19:13 AM, Mark wrote: MC Thanks Frantisek. I'll definitely look into those - they have to be MC shorter than 24mm to work , but now that you mention it, I think John Shaw MC talks about those in one of his books. MC - MCC There is plenty such lenses on

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-11 Thread Jeff Tsai
Well, whatever chip they use, they better bring on the Pentax digital body awfully bloody soon! I had the opportunity to shoot the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show with my brother's D30 and while it was a pleasure shooting digital with a proper SLR rather than a point and shoot, the D30 ergonomics and

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-11 Thread Matamoros, Cesar A.
From: Jeff Tsai snip... btw, I got my first picture published in Car Driver this month! Look for the write-up on the TMS by Peter Lyon; I took the prototype Skyline GT-R pic for the article! Cheers. Jeff http://www.lumine.net/driving/ Jeff, Congratulations! I will have to look

Re: RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-11 Thread David Brooks
Pentax digital SLR Well, whatever chip they use, they better bring on the Pentax digital body awfully bloody soon! I had the opportunity to shoot the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show with my brother's D30 and while it was a pleasure shooting digital with a proper SLR rather than a point and shoot, the D30

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Jeff T. wrote: I had the opportunity to shoot the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show with my brother's D30 and while it was a pleasure shooting digital with a proper SLR rather than a point and shoot, the D30 ergonomics and interface leave much to be desired... btw, I got my first picture published in

Re: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-11 Thread Mark Cassino
Thanks Frantisek. I'll definitely look into those - they have to be shorter than 24mm to work , but now that you mention it, I think John Shaw talks about those in one of his books. - MCC Mark, have you considered using a movie/16mm/8mm/video prime in front of your CP950? These

Re[2]: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-10 Thread Alin Flaider
Pål wrote: PAJ Just look at Olympus soon to be released digital slr with PAJ interchangeable lenses. It may set the standard. Right now the only standard they may set is the normal focal length. Everything else is subject to change in the close future. It's interesting to see what the

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-10 Thread Ed Mathews
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pål Audun Jensen Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Pentax digital SLR snip They only ones who can justify this cost are people who are producing lot

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-10 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: RE: New Pentax digital SLR Cesar wrote: I don't see how the MZ-D is already obsolete. It is obsolete because the chip is far more expensive than those the competition, and Pentax for that matter, will use real soon. I

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-10 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
the pros who bought into the LX were. And I guess that is the gist of it. Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: RE: New Pentax digital SLR But you can't sell a less than top

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-10 Thread Eric Lawton
Several times now people have alluded to this Olympus interchangeable lens digital camera. Is there any information available on it? It seems like olympus might really have the upperhand hand here since (I assume) they will be designing an entirely new lens line specifically for digital -

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-10 Thread Kent Gittings
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eric Lawton Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR Several times now people have alluded to this Olympus interchangeable lens digital camera. Is there any information

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-09 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Mark wrote: So you are right - it does not make sense to devote a lot of effort to building a high end digital that will soon be obsolete. However, given the inevitability of digital, some articulation of a plan to adapt to the new technology from Pentax would be wise. Given that this

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-09 Thread Matamoros, Cesar A.
Mark wrote: So you are right - it does not make sense to devote a lot of effort to building a high end digital that will soon be obsolete. However, given the inevitability of digital, some articulation of a plan to adapt to the new technology from Pentax would be wise. Given that

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-09 Thread Len Paris
But isn't this exactly what Pentax have done? They have said that theres no point in releasing the MZ-D prototype as showed at Photokina because its essentially obsolete already. Hence, they will make a more competitive digital camera based on the same platform instead. Pål - I think

RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Kent Gittings wrote: I think you are missing some info. The chip in the Dimage 7 is the same one that is in the Nikon D-1x which is 5.24 MP and 23.7mm x 15.6mm. It's a matter of semantics. When you see a CCD array listed as 2/3 inch it doesn't refer to the actual size

RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich
Jos, I would say the manufacturer can program such information about the geometric distortion into the lens, so it would be transferred to the camera while using it, just like we have now with other lens data. Frits Wüthrich from the UK at the moment. Jos from Holland wrote: I see some more

RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Jos from Holland
I would say the manufacturer can program such information about the geometric distortion into the lens, so it would be transferred to the camera while using it, just like we have now with other lens data. Frits Wüthrich from the UK at the moment. Good point, Frits, but an (additional)adjustment

RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Dec 2001 at 17:51, Jos from Holland wrote: I see some more opportunities for small CCD cameras. What about the (much) larger D.O.F.? I did not see much discussion about this point. For some time I thought that the larger D.O.F of smaller CCD size was a disadvantage for digital

RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Mark Cassino
I totally agree that the enhance D.O.F. of small format digitals is a boon in macro photography. It opens up whole new creative possibilities. But, for every door that opens another closes - the ability to employ a narrow DOF in portraits, for instance, is not present. I've tried creating

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-07 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Mark wrote: I think that full-frame CCDs and smaller ones may well coexist. Mike Johnston recently mentioned professional wildlife photographers who don't want to upgrade to the latest Canon D30 because it's CCD yields only 1.3x focal length magnification. For most of us a full-frame CCD will

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-07 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Mike wrote: The only effort to standardize chip size that I'm aware of is being led by Kodak, who are urging adoption of a 4/3rds-inch chip size. Small chip sizes, far from being a dead end, will are what will be used in consumer cameras. The market for these will be vast--actually, already

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Pål Audun Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: I think that full-frame CCDs and smaller ones may well coexist. Mike Johnston recently mentioned professional wildlife photographers who don't want to upgrade to the latest Canon D30 because it's CCD yields only 1.3x focal length

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-07 Thread Mark Cassino
I think the issue is more of a concern that Pentax will not move fast enough and will miss an opportunity. I for one would be happy to just hear a statement form Pentax about what they intend to do. Your analogy to computers is a little off the mark. Computers offered new functionality

RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-07 Thread Kent Gittings
, December 06, 2001 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR Kent G. wrote: I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody settles on 1.3x or 1.6x

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-07 Thread Kent Gittings
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR Mark wrote: I think that full-frame CCDs and smaller ones may well coexist. Mike Johnston recently mentioned professional wildlife photographers who don't want to upgrade to the latest Canon D30 because it's CCD yields only 1.3x focal length

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-06 Thread Kent Gittings
Of Mike Johnston Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR And, now, Pal, here we are totally DISagreeing. Pal wrote: Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-06 Thread Kent Gittings
system. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mustarde Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:12:41 -0600, you wrote: snip If Pentax could

Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-06 Thread Mike Johnston
Kent G. wrote: I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody settles on 1.3x or 1.6x remains to be seen. Kents, I know you're agreeing with ME here so for me to agree right back again is

Re: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent G. wrote: I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody settles on 1.3x or 1.6x remains to be seen. Kents, I know you're agreeing with ME here so

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-05 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future.

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-05 Thread Cotty
Ooh! An on-topic thread, what a find! Ooh, I even started it. Yippee ;-) PÂl writes: Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-05 Thread george de fockert
- Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future. Thirdly, Pentax have clearly stated that they want to make a COMPETITIVE digital slr in the near future. In fact,

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: PÂl wrote: Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-05 Thread Cotty
I just re-read the following, and my reply doesn't make sense. Read a revision after for some semblance of sanity... Pal wrote: Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr.

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-05 Thread John Mustarde
On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:12:41 -0600, you wrote: snip If Pentax could duplicate [the D30] its quality for 1/2 to 2/3rds the price and make use of K-mount lenses it would have a sure winner on its hands in no time. A 3.3mp or better K-mount digital for $1000 - 1500 sounds like a winner to me,

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-01 Thread Jan van Wijk
Well said Cotty! Exactly my own point of view at the moment ... (delaying buying a 3-set of limited lenses until things clear up :-) Regards, JvW On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:43:22 +, Cotty wrote: If there is anyone at Pentax reading this, or anyone knows anyone at Pentax, please copy and

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-11-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Pål wrote: I've been told (something that doesn't prevent it from being bull***, but anyway) that Pentax have decided to use another chip in the MZ-D. Theres no reason to automatically assume that it will be a different camera and that it will use a chip smaller than 24x36. In fact, you can

Re: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-11-30 Thread Cotty
This seems to be in keeping with the look of how things are panning out. It must be obvious to the whole industry that the success of the Canon D30 has highlighted the need for medium-priced pro/am digi SLR. With the previous 6MP Pentax vapoware, the price would have been well within the

RE: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-11-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Well, I just got the the engineers from Philips Semiconductor to buy me lunch so the day wasn't a total loss ;-) The people I met with today didn't have any information on any of the Philips CCD products (as I expected) but one of them said he could easily find out if Contax is using the Philips