Re: OT: Worst Jobs for the future

2018-03-25 Thread John
Since it was Kiplinger, I automatically equated "bad" with "no future income prospects." There's still a whole universe of "bad = hard, demanding, uncomfortable low-paying" jobs out there. Those jobs will still be around in the future. On 3/25/2018 13:15, P. J. Alling wrote: They equate

Re: OT: Worst Jobs for the future

2018-03-25 Thread P. J. Alling
They equate jobs with limited future with bad jobs.  A bad job is one you don't want, the jobs they describe are jobs you might want but are not available.  There's a big difference.  I gave up after reading three.  A job I would consider much worse than any of those is recyclable sorter.  A

Re: OT: Worst Jobs for the future

2018-03-23 Thread John
As it happens, I've held four of those jobs already. On 3/23/2018 09:14, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Check out number 2: https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T012-S001-worst-jobs-for-the-future-2017/index.html?cid=32_0010207ecdf4c62cfba32bfaf33a3ec5a4 Dan Matyola

OT: Worst Jobs for the future

2018-03-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Check out number 2: https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T012-S001-worst-jobs-for-the-future-2017/index.html?cid=32_0010207ecdf4c62cfba32bfaf33a3ec5a4 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
By coincidence SBS TV here broadcast 'Codebreaker' just a couple of weeks ago to mark the 58th anniversary of his suicide.  It's a great insight into Turing's life.  I'm not sure if the film has had much of a distribution outside of the UK (and now Australia) but it's well worth

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila
On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:24 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bob W From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all are arguing about who did the

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-26 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 22, 2012, at 18:42 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all are arguing about who did the best job of stealing ideas from Xerox. It's worth reading the Steve Jobs bio just to get the straight goods on that somewhat

RE: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all are arguing about who did the best job of stealing ideas from Xerox. It's worth reading the Steve Jobs bio just to

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Bob W p...@web-options.com: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Yup. SJ weaseled it out of Xerox legitimately, Microsoft stole the ideas from Apple. It's the hundredth anniversary of Turing's birth today. Everybody stole everything

RE: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Yup. SJ weaseled it out of Xerox legitimately, Microsoft stole the ideas from Apple. It's the hundredth

RE: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread Bob W
I hadn't realised the significance of the Google Doodle (Goodle?)... By coincidence SBS TV here broadcast 'Codebreaker' just a couple of weeks ago to mark the 58th anniversary of his suicide. It's a great insight into Turing's life. I'm not sure if the film has had much of a

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread David Mann
On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Bob W wrote: Ironically he killed himself by eating a cyanide-laced apple after being prosecuted and persecuted for being gay and forced to take drugs which made him grow breasts. I wonder if Jobs had that in mind when he chose the symbol of a rainbow-striped

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread Steven Desjardins
I read the associated article. It's a puzzle and a clever one at that. On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: What a great Doodle.  I wonder if it's an actual Turing machine or just a collection of animations.  The Apple with a bite out as a tribute to

RE: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob W From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all are arguing about who did the best job of stealing ideas from Xerox. It's worth reading the Steve Jobs bio

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Anthony Farr
IIRC, tablet PCs had about the same On 22 June 2012 12:49, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft's first tablet was just as worthless. There were no apps, and that is what produces the utility of the iPad and its knock-offs. Dan Matyola

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Christine Aguila
I've got the same set up as Steve. I see lots of similarities, but I do like using Mac hardware--very elegant. Cheers, Christine On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I use Win7 at work and have a Mac at home and I have no strong preference. I'd like to

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 21, 2012, at 19:07, Jeffery Smith wrote: The best PIMs for Windows went belly up as they could not compete with *free*. I continued to use my beloved Ecco for several more years with no upgrades. Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ecco. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com

Re: OT: no Jobs.

2012-06-22 Thread Don Guthrie
Let me weigh in on the original Windows Tablet as I bought one and still use it almost every day. It was functional and the handwriting worked as well or better than the Pilot but you could use natural letter structure unlike the Palms. I would say the drawback was the 2 hr battery and the

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Igor Roshchin
And here is what's in the pipeline: TaiChi from ASUS - hybrid vehi... err.. tablet. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/asus-taichi-notebook-tablet/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 21, 2012, at 06:02 , William Robb wrote: On 21/06/2012 12:58 AM, Bob W wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no surprise to see someone

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 21, 2012, at 17:00 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: MS isn't dominant already? Something like 90% of computers run windows OS. See? Micro¢oft fanboys are fanatical too! Apple aimed at a different demographic. Good people with kind dispositions and deep pockets. MS offered Melba toast.

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 22, 2012, at 07:07 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 21, 2012, at 19:07, Jeffery Smith wrote: The best PIMs for Windows went belly up as they could not compete with *free*. I continued to use my beloved Ecco for several more years with no upgrades. Holy crap, I'd forgotten about

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Jun 21, 2012, at 17:00 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: MS isn't dominant already? Something like 90% of computers run windows OS. See? Micro¢oft fanboys are fanatical too! Apple aimed at a different demographic. Good people with kind

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread John Sessoms
From: Joseph McAllister On Jun 21, 2012, at 17:00 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: MS isn't dominant already? Something like 90% of computers run windows OS. See? Micro?oft fanboys are fanatical too! Apple aimed at a different demographic. Good people with kind dispositions and deep pockets. MS

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Jeffery Smith
I think Ecco still has a following, and can be downloaded from a site. When I was in administration and practicing GTD, I used it constantly. Now that I'm back in teaching, I don't Get Things Done nearly as much. Regards, Jeffery _ Jeffery Smith Irish Channel, New Orleans, LA

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:33 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Joseph McAllister On Jun 21, 2012, at 17:00 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: MS isn't dominant already? Something like 90% of computers run windows OS. See? Micro?oft  fanboys are fanatical too! Apple aimed at a

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread William Robb
On 22/06/2012 3:02 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 21, 2012, at 17:00 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: MS isn't dominant already? Something like 90% of computers run windows OS. See? Micro¢oft fanboys are fanatical too! When did stating the truth become fanboyism. Apple aimed at a

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all are arguing about who did the best job of stealing ideas from Xerox. It's worth reading the Steve Jobs bio just to get the straight goods on that somewhat apocryphal story. Xerox were being really stupid with

OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Bob W
part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no surprise to see someone else announcing Windows Phone 8. Ladies gentlemen - give it up for... ...Mr. Adolf

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no surprise to see someone else announcing

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Windows? Tested in Advance? Two incompatible terms. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Silly me. ;-) On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Windows?  Tested in Advance? Two incompatible terms. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread William Robb
On 21/06/2012 12:58 AM, Bob W wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no surprise to see someone else announcing Windows Phone 8. Funny thing is if

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
I use Win7 at work and have a Mac at home and I have no strong preference. I'd like to see MS challenge Apple simple because I don't' like to see any company become too dominant. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/06/2012 12:58 AM, Bob W

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Igor Roshchin
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Bob W pdml at web-options.com wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no surprise to see someone else announcing

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread steve harley
on 2012-06-21 7:02 William Robb wrote Funny thing is if it weren't for Jobs pretending he was the Second Coming every time he had something to say to his public I might actually have considered a Mac product. that's what turned me off to religion … So far I'm hearing very good things about

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no surprise to see someone else announcing

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:02 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Funny thing is if it weren't for Jobs pretending he was the Second Coming every time he had something to say to his public I might actually have considered a Mac product. Your loss. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 6/21/2012 12:11 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on stage, so it's no

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 21, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Bob W pdml at web-options.com wrote: part of Apple's appeal seems to have come from Steve Jobs and the cool way he managed product announcements. Somehow Steve Ballmer was never quite as effective on

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In Star Trek TNG, back in the late 80's something that looks basically like an iPad was the standard data display, computer interface device. Granted, they only existed as fiction, just like Uhura's bluetooth headset.

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Igor Roshchin
Thu Jun 21 13:21:21 EDT 2012 Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 21, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/apple?before=1340251077 (And I meant to provide the direct link to the image http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5y878Y9fj1rsi9gfo1_1280.jpg ) (I am not

RE: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Bob W
To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: no Jobs... Thu Jun 21 13:21:21 EDT 2012 Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 21, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/apple?before=1340251077 (And I meant to provide the direct link to the image http://24.media.tumblr.com

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Thu Jun 21 13:21:21 EDT 2012 Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 21, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/apple?before=1340251077 (And I meant to provide the direct link to the image

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The Apple Newton pedated Microsoft's crappy attempt at a tablet by several years. Both were simply ahead of their time. Timing is quite important in marketing success. What Jobs achieved was real and substantial, despite what his many critics like to believe. Among other great things, Apple

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Larry Colen
And on the subject of bitches http://xkcd.com/54/ also http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#Science On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Thu Jun 21 13:21:21 EDT 2012 Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 21, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

RE: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread J.C. O'Connell
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: no Jobs... I use Win7 at work and have a Mac at home and I have no strong preference. I'd like to see MS challenge Apple simple because I don't' like to see any company become too dominant. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Desjardins Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: no Jobs... I use Win7 at work and have a Mac at home and I have no strong preference. I'd like to see MS challenge Apple simple because I don't' like to see any company become too dominant

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony Farr
On 22 June 2012 07:07, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: The Apple Newton pedated Microsoft's crappy attempt at a tablet by several years. Both were simply ahead of their time. Timing is quite important in marketing success. The Newton was a PDA rather than a computer. It was

Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Microsoft's first tablet was just as worthless. There were no apps, and that is what produces the utility of the iPad and its knock-offs. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2012

OT: Steve jobs-looked-to-reinvent-apples-iphone-photography

2012-01-24 Thread kwaller
My son keeps amazing me with what he's able to do with his i-phone and the photo apps he has. He sent me this and I thought some on the list might enjoy.

Re: OT: Steve Jobs

2011-10-06 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Steve Jobs, finishing up his Commencement Speech at Stanford, 2005: Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in lifebecause almost everything - all external

Re: OT: Steve Jobs

2011-10-06 Thread Larry Colen
My favorite Steve Jobs story is somewhat indirect. I ran into a friend that I hadn't seen in a while at a party (I think it was the party at DNA lounge when Mozilla went open source), and found out that he was at the time working as a system administrator at Pixar. As a result of that, he had

OT: Steve Jobs

2011-10-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: OT: Steve Jobs

2011-10-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813 Steve Jobs, finishing up his Commencement Speech at Stanford, 2005: Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever

Re: OT: Steve Jobs

2011-10-05 Thread Darren Addy
Interesting that Apple has changed their home page, but Pixar has not. A belated thank you Steve. You were one of the Crazy Ones. http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/redlightrunner/thinkdifferent.mov I found Rome built of sun-dried bricks; I leave her clothed in marble. - Augustus Caesar Darren Addy

Re: OT: Steve Jobs

2011-10-05 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/6/2011 03:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in lifebecause almost everything - all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just

OT: Photography Jobs

2010-01-07 Thread John Sessoms
I get emails from one of my instructors every once in a while. USAF is looking to hire a photographer at Hickam AFB, HI GS-1060-07, Must be US Citizen, Salary Range $35K - $46K Open Period: Wed 6Jan10 - Tue 12Jan10 Relocation expenses will not be paid. I didn't get a vacancy number. -- PDML

OT - 650 jobs go as Kodak closes Melbourne plant

2004-09-16 Thread Nenad Djurdjevic
From abc news: Kodak Australasia has announced plans to close manufacturing operations at its plant at Coburg in Melbourne's north. Six hundred and fifty workers will lose their jobs as a result of the shutdown. Union officials have been locked out of a meeting between Kodak management and