Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
I didn't notice that you'd slagged anyone. However if you'd like... I can't this is too good, technically you got the exposure right on. There's good detail in the dog which is very hard to do while keeping acceptable detail in the shadows, which you also seem to have achieved, (at least as

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-07 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:05:26 -0500, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't notice that you'd slagged anyone. However if you'd like... I can't this is too good, technically you got the exposure right on. There's good detail in the dog which is very hard to do while keeping

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
. Regardless of my nit picking, I like the photo. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/4/2004 3:19:38 PM Subject: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Okay, the EE thing is a joke - it's actually somewhat blasphemous to have

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Wouldn't it make more sense to ban

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-06 Thread Kenneth Waller
(an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) I mean ban as in no driving privilege. A fine/surcharge doesn't work. Thats about the third step here. Depends on the driving infraction. William

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Stenquist Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Because irresponsible people have cross bred pit bulls to make them vicious, ill-tempered fighting dogs. Perhaps that's not the case in Canada, but it's true in the US. Yes, there are some good ones, but they look exactly like

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/11/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Statistics suggest that the proportion of dangerous pit bulls is quite high, at least in some parts of the US. That is reason to be concerned. The proportion of dangerous red sports cars is quite low. Of course, you could maybe have a red

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Statistics suggest that the proportion of dangerous pit bulls is quite high, at least in some parts of the US. That is reason to be concerned. Sure, statistics can be made to say

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote on 11/5/2004, 9:31 AM: snip lots of things about dogs, etc Thanks Bill. I was just composing something along the same lines no need to send it now. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) William Robb wrote on 11/5/2004, 9:31 AM: snip lots of things about dogs, etc Thanks Bill. I was just composing something along the same lines no need to send it now. Yer welcome

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Statistics suggest that the proportion of dangerous pit bulls is quite high, at least in some parts of the US

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yes, and it's done frequently and in many jurisdictions. Too many moving violations or accidents and one's license is suspended or revoked. Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouldn't it make more sense to ban the people who ruin dogs rather than the dogs

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote: Okay, the EE thing is a joke - it's actually somewhat blasphemous to have a photo of mine mentioned in the same breath as The Master, but who better to blaspheme but me? vbg. Comments are always welcome - indeed, they are encouraged. Here's the chance for everyone

Cropped Pitbull - was: PAW White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:30:08 -0500, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, I would probably have cropped this a bit tighter as I don't feel the rest of what is shown in the image really adds. If a dog can look sad that one surely does. Thanks for your thoughts, Ken, If I were

Re: Cropped Pitbull - was: PAW White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Wow! Huge improvement. The image is now much more compelling in my opinion. You still get the feeling of the two men ignoring the rather unfortunate dog, and the dog is now much more dominant. I liked it before. I love it now. Paul On Nov 5, 2004, at 4:16 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Thu, 4

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:22:43 -0500, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, You know I gotta love this one, Frank :) EE probably would like it too I never saw a more forlorn looking pitbull and he probably is a sweet dog. Thank you, Ann. I appreciate your thoughts. He seemed

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I did a couple of QD adjustments on Frank's pic ... the differences between the two adjusted pics may be subtle, but they do exist. I didn't try to do anything but open up the shadows and tone down the fried highlights and put a little more detail into the dog.

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:36:53 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a couple of QD adjustments on Frank's pic ... the differences between the two adjusted pics may be subtle, but they do exist. I didn't try to do anything but open up the shadows and tone down the fried highlights

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff
QD = Quick and Dirty Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a couple of QD adjustments on Frank's pic ... the differences between the two adjusted pics may be subtle, but they do exist. I didn't try to do anything but open up

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Wouldn't it make more sense to ban the people who ruin dogs rather than the dogs themselves? Using the car/accident analogy, wouldn't it also make more sense to ban the people

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:01:38 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QD = Quick and Dirty LOL!! And here I thought you were using some PS lingo or something... vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff
PS means what? LOL Shel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QD = Quick and Dirty LOL!! And here I thought you were using some PS lingo or something... vbg

Re: Cropped Pitbull - was: PAW White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:30:08 -0500, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, I would probably have cropped this a bit tighter as I don't feel the rest of what is shown in the image really adds. If a dog can look sad that one surely does. Thanks for your

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
PhotoShop On Nov 5, 2004, at 7:23 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: PS means what? LOL Shel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QD = Quick and Dirty LOL!! And here I thought you were using some PS lingo or something... vbg

Re: Cropped Pitbull - was: PAW White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:30:08 -0500, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, I would probably have cropped this a bit tighter as I don't feel the rest of what is shown in the image really adds. If a dog can look sad that one surely does

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
I mean ban as in no driving privilege. A fine/surcharge doesn't work. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) - Original

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Steve Jolly
William Robb wrote: Perhaps little red sports cars were a bad analogy. lets just pick cars in general. Statistically, they are very dangerous. They kill lots of people, and should probably be banned (using yhe logic you have presented). Not banned, but perhaps people should only be allowed to

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) I mean ban as in no driving privilege. A fine/surcharge doesn't work. Thats about the third step here. Depends on the driving infraction. William Robb

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Paul Stenquist wrote: PhotoShop On Nov 5, 2004, at 7:23 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: PS means what? LOL Shel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QD = Quick and Dirty LOL!! And here I thought you were using some PS lingo or something... vbg What about LOL ??? I thought PS meant

PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread frank theriault
Okay, the EE thing is a joke - it's actually somewhat blasphemous to have a photo of mine mentioned in the same breath as The Master, but who better to blaspheme but me? vbg. Comments are always welcome - indeed, they are encouraged. Here's the chance for everyone who I slagged critiquing this

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. Good to see that puppy is muzzled. I like the composition and the framing. Paul On Nov 4, 2004, at 6:15 PM, frank theriault wrote: Okay, the EE thing is a joke - it's actually somewhat blasphemous to have a photo of mine mentioned in the same breath as The Master, but who better to

RE: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread Shel Belinkoff
: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/4/2004 3:19:38 PM Subject: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Okay, the EE thing is a joke - it's actually somewhat blasphemous to have a photo of mine mentioned in the same breath as The Master, but who

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Good to see that puppy is muzzled. Ummm, why? William Robb

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Good to see that puppy is muzzled. Ummm, why? William Robb

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:42:06 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank ... This is a pretty good shot in that I think you captured the dog quite nicely. It might be a more powerful photo if you moved in a bit closer, framed a bit tighter, shot from a slightly lower vantage

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Because irresponsible people have cross bred pit bulls to make them vicious, ill-tempered fighting dogs. Perhaps that's not the case in Canada, but it's true in the US. Yes

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) I am somewhat frustrated that I can't seem to get my scans to look like the print. Perhaps you need to make prints that work better on a scanner. It's not necessarily a given

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bill, Your point is well taken, but I was able to make major adjustments to Frank's scanned image. Lots of information was in the scan. IMO, Frank may need greater proficiency with Photoshop more than he needs to adjust the print to get better scans. Shel [Original Message] From:

Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)

2004-11-04 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Frank, The details you mention are in the scanned image. Without even knowing what to look for, just by opening up the tonal range a bit, mostly the shadows, pretty much all your complaints with the scan disappeared. I've found that a lot of fine detail gets lost when reducing the size of a