Re: More RAW software

2009-04-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:52 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2009 7:01:54 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: Found the old email and  link. http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Site  is still active, but it looks

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-06 Thread Jos from Holland
Nick, If you download the free SmartCurve you get what you want. It integrates in PSE under the filter tab. For me it doubles the value of PSE. By changing the curve you can adapt contrast, gamma, local gamma etcetera. I even use it for pseudo-solarisation effects and to make positives of my

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-06 Thread Nick Wright
Elements 6 has this feature too, but it's not as powerful as real curves. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: For what it's worth, Google Photoshop Elements 7 curves and the first hit that comes up is from help.adobe.com

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-06 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/5/2009 7:01:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: Found the old email and link. http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Site is still active, but it looks like it supports up to version 5 only. Dave B ===

RE: RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread Bob W
Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. The original line was Give that man a canoe. I have no idea what it means either. Paddle off to Buffalo? I thought that was supposed to be shuffle. Can you shuffle

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread David J Brooks
Afew years ago, some one here supplied a link to a plug in type of thing, that would let you do curves in PS Elements 3. I downloaded it and it worked fine. I think i have the email around still, i'll look for the links. Dave On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:59 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread Nick Wright
I found a set of software called Grant's Tools. But the instructions on how to install it don't match up with the file structures that were installed on my computer so I have no idea how to get them in there. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Afew years

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread David J Brooks
Found the old email and link. http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Site is still active, but it looks like it supports up to version 5 only. Dave B On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: I found a set of software called

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Dave, I'll give it a try. It's the feature I miss most from the old Paint Shop Pro. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:01 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Found the old email and link. http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Site is

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread Paul Sorenson
Bob Nick - Take a look at Elements Plus http://simplephotoshop.com/elementsplus/ The demo allows you to download a small series of actions which includes curves with, I believe, unrestricted use. You can buy all 150 or so for a measly 12 bucks. -p Bob Sullivan wrote: Thanks Dave, I'll

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread Nick Wright
Ooo... now that's nice. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: Bob Nick - Take a look at Elements Plus http://simplephotoshop.com/elementsplus/ The demo allows you to download a small series of actions which includes curves with, I believe,

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/5/2009 7:01:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: Found the old email and link. http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Site is still active, but it looks like it supports up to version 5 only. Dave B

Re: More RAW software (Elements+)

2009-04-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul, Thanks for the tip. I paid $10 and now have curves back! Wa Hoo!!! Makes pictures like this easier... http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FoggySunrise#5321348176152000642 The foreground was too dark and the sky too light without curves. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:42

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread John Graves
Marnie, Wh.And I haven't bought PSE 5 yet!!! John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2009 7:01:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: Found the old email and link.

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-05 Thread John Sessoms
For what it's worth, Google Photoshop Elements 7 curves and the first hit that comes up is from help.adobe.com http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PhotoshopElements/7.0_Win/WS3216BCB6-F54C-4c4a-99A0-EBEA69F30C27.html From: Paul Sorenson Bob Nick - Take a look at Elements Plus

RE: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Bob W
copradormition No hits in Webster's, Wikipedia or Google. Def. please. (We can guess, but need to know for future reference) Sleeping in shit. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Joe, You had to use the wayback machine to get that one. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 20:11 , William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister Subject: Re: RAW software Oh. Sorry

More RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Nick Wright
Okay, so I'm disappointed. It used to be that my program CDFinder would catalog the captions and keywords in an iPhoto library. Turns out that's not the case anymore. But I finally got a chance to download Photoshop Elements 6 for the Mac (whew, 1.5 gigs!), and I am impressed. I didn't know that

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
that fired in response to the question What would you do with a canoe? On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 20:11 , William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister Subject: Re: RAW software Oh. Sorry

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: RAW software It isn't a false analogy - you just haven't grasped it! Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Is there a baby in that pram? Do I have a book

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
PS Elements will be a much more competent image processing environment than iPhoto No image management functionality, no scripting, and you only get to use Camera Raw's basic functions, but as long as it lets you get your work done, it's fine. Godfrey On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Nick

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Graydon On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:30:59AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit: My #2 Philips Screwdriver cannot drive a #4 Torx screw, but it could easily if they put an interchangeable bit on the end. Of course, I could buy a screwdriver with an interchangeable bit head and use

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Nick Wright
Only one thing ... why does Adobe insist on not putting real curves control into Elements?!!? On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: PS Elements will be a much more competent image processing environment than iPhoto No image management functionality, no

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
No idea. It's one of the reasons I never worked with PSE ... soon as I saw that missing, I realized I needed the regular version of Photoshop. When I do use PS for image processing, curves adjustment layers are what I use the most. G On Apr 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Nick Wright wrote: Only

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Nick Wright Subject: Re: More RAW software Only one thing ... why does Adobe insist on not putting real curves control into Elements?!!? They want you to buy Photoshop. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Joseph McAllister On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:37 , William Robb wrote: Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. The original line was Give that man a canoe. I have no idea what it means either. Paddle off to Buffalo? I

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 4, 2009, at 17:19 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Joseph McAllister On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:37 , William Robb wrote: Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. The original line was Give that man a canoe. I have no idea what

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: RAW software From: Joseph McAllister On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:37 , William Robb wrote: Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny

Re: More RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Nick Wright Only one thing ... why does Adobe insist on not putting real curves control into Elements?!!? So that if you need them you'll have to upgrade to the full version of Photoshop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: RAW software

2009-04-04 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 03:40:13PM -0400, John Sessoms scripsit: From: Graydon If someone wants to drive Torx screws, and the screwdriver manufacturer, despite making the best Phillips screwdrivers the mind of man can conceive, refuses to do so, there's a legitimate basis for complaint. If

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: And, I don't know about Lightroom specifically, but with many of the Library oriented, database-based cataloging solutions, God help you if you ever want to rearrange things on the file system after they're in the catalog. It's never a

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: My organizational needs are different between film and digital. I don't edit the files the same way, I can't usually organize film scans by the day they were shot and the day they were scanned is useless to me since I might have scanned a half-dozen

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: As to keyword metadata, frankly I find adding it annoying and using it of little use to me. I understand what value it can add, I just find using said capabilities to be something that doesn't work for me. I've got nothing agains keywording (Which

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Dario Bonazza
Paul Stenquist wrote: My files are simply organized by date shot as the folder name, followed by a few key words. If the folder hasn't been backed up yet, it carries a b prefix. Once I back it up, I remove the prefix. I manage the files with Bridge and find it all quite simple. I never

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
Basically, when I tried it out, Lightroom got in my way at least as often as it helped me. The tools I already have work just fine with my preferred workflow, and don't make me jump through their hoops to do what I want to do. And, I don't know about Lightroom specifically, but

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
And exactly what do I gain by importing them? Nothing except a file management UI I don't like in the first place and metadata-based searching I'll never use along with the need to import it in the first place, which Bridge doesn't need to do. Not to mention the fact that Bridge allows me

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: It's true that you have to do the import step for scanned files, and can't as Mark said, use LR's facilities without importing, but that's the way LR was designed to work from the beginning. Complaining about it is like complaining that a car is not as good as a pram because you

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
It's true that you have to do the import step for scanned files, and can't as Mark said, use LR's facilities without importing, but that's the way LR was designed to work from the beginning. Complaining about it is like complaining that a car is not as good as a pram because you

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: It's true that you have to do the import step for scanned files, and can't as Mark said, use LR's facilities without importing, but that's the way LR was designed to work from the beginning. Complaining about it is like complaining that a car is not as good as a pram because

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: RAW software It isn't a false analogy - you just haven't grasped it! Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Is there a baby in that pram? Do I have

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: RAW software On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: As to keyword metadata, frankly I find adding it annoying and using it of little use to me. I understand what value it can add, I just find using said capabilities

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
Anyway, here's a better one. You need a steamhammer for your work which involves driving enormous piles into the ground. You also occasionally need to tap a tack into a piece of wood. You complain because the steam piledriver is no good at tapping little tacks into wood.

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread John Graves
Speaking of Steamhammers...and piledrivers, I am still using PSE3. I am limited to adobe Camera Raw 3.6 (which I have installed)by PSE3. I have not seen any picture processing tools in any of the subsequent PSE or Camera Raw releases that warrant their purchase. It appears that the

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: As to keyword metadata, frankly I find adding it annoying and using it of little use to me. I understand what value it can add, I just find using said capabilities to be

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: Anyway, here's a better one. You need a steamhammer for your work which involves driving enormous piles into the ground. You also occasionally need to tap a tack into a piece of wood. You complain because the steam piledriver is no good at tapping little tacks into wood.

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: RAW software There's zero nonsense involved. Grasshopper, you have strayed from the one true path to file system nirvhana and must be shamed until you see the light and allow it to guide you back to the one true path, from

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: RAW software Pointing out that software can't do something which it easily *could* do, and is desired by some users, is not an exercise in futility. It is, in fact, how good, responsive software developers improve their product

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: RAW software Pointing out that software can't do something which it easily *could* do, and is desired by some users, is not an exercise in futility. It is, in fact, how good, responsive software developers

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: My organizational needs are different between film and digital. I don't edit the files the same way, I can't usually organize film scans by the day they were shot and the day

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: That's still wrong: Lightroom isn't anything as crude as a piledriver. No one would reasonably expect to be able to use a piledriver for tapping little tacks. A reasonable photographer *would* like to be able to use a tool whose desirable

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: RAW software I'd rather set fire to a few prams. With or without babies in them? This is a rhetorical question, right? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Adam Maas wrote: You seem unable to understand the idea that LR's work-saving features can actually create more work in some situations. Using LR requires me to do more work than using Bridge and my heirarchical filing system. This slows down my workflow rather than

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Pointing out that software can't do something which it easily *could* do, and is desired by some users, is not an exercise in futility. It is, in fact, how good, responsive software developers improve their product. My #2 Philips

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: Of course, I could buy a screwdriver with an interchangeable bit head and use that, but then I wouldn't have something to complain about. I want to use my #2 Philips head screwdriver for Torx screws too. If you think

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: And exactly what do I gain by importing them? Nothing except a file management UI I don't like in the first place and metadata-based searching I'll never use along with the need to import it in the first place, which Bridge

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:39:18PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: RAW software Basically, when I tried it out, Lightroom got in my way at least as often as it helped me. The tools I already have work just fine with my

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:   Anyway, here's a better one. You need a steamhammer for your work which involves driving enormous piles into the ground. You also occasionally need to tap a tack into a piece of wood. You complain because the steam

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: That's still wrong: Lightroom isn't anything as crude as a piledriver. No one would reasonably expect to be able to use a piledriver for tapping little tacks. A reasonable

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Adam Maas wrote: You seem unable to understand the idea that LR's work-saving features can actually create more work in some situations. Using LR requires me to do more work than using Bridge

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:39:18PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: RAW software I just had to do an OS install and when the machine came back to me my mirrored

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: That's still wrong: Lightroom isn't anything as crude as a piledriver. No one would reasonably expect to be able to use a piledriver for tapping little tacks. A reasonable photographer *would* like to be able to use a

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Matthew Hunt Subject: Re: RAW software . If you think people should use the right tool for their needs, perhaps you should have used less critical language when they chose not to use your favorite tool. Your canoe is in the mail. William Robb

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Larry Colen Subject: Re: RAW software It's too bad you couldn't just change a line in /etc/fstab. People say that Windows is so much easier than Unix, but if something like that happened on a Linux box, it would be a 30 second job to remap the drive back

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: if all you wanted was RAW conversion, use Camera Raw. Lightroom was not designed for that kind of use. It was designed for end-to-end image management. That's what makes it efficient. Except that Camera Raw doesn't work as well. I much

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:22:20AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: No, I don't like LR's file management and am explaining why . . . I have to agree with Godfrey here. Your reasons for disliking it appear to be partly based on inaccurate statements about Lightroom. I use Lightroom entirely with my

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
If you think people should use the right tool for their needs, perhaps you should have used less critical language when they chose not to use your favorite tool. Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. Bob -- PDML

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2009 7:37:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jh.gra...@verizon.net writes: Speaking of Steamhammers...and piledrivers, I am still using PSE3. I am limited to adobe Camera Raw 3.6 (which I have installed)by PSE3. I have not seen any picture processing tools in any of the

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2009 8:13:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, a...@mawz.ca writes: The Lightroom management UI is based around keywording. Yes I don't like it, no its not nonsense. I don't like it because it makes _more_ work for me, not less. Which annoys me. I can see the value in the

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Adam Maas wrote: If I want to work on some files of a scanned job via LR while the scanner is still scanning, I'd have to use a watched directory or import multiple times. Since I'm usually working this way (Due to my 120 holder requiring me to flip/rotate scans to

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread David Savage
racing. Night. DS 2009/4/3 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: RAW software There's zero nonsense involved. Grasshopper, you have strayed from the one true path to file system nirvhana and must be shamed until you see the light

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2009 8:19:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, war...@gmail.com writes: Grasshopper, you have strayed from the one true path to file system nirvhana and must be shamed until you see the light and allow it to guide you back to the one true path, from which you must not

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:22:20AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: No, I don't like LR's file management and am explaining why . . . I have to agree with Godfrey here.  Your reasons for disliking it appear to be partly based on

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:17 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Your canoe is in the mail. Thanks. I'll use it to pound stakes in the ground. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Adam Maas wrote: If I want to work on some files of a scanned job via LR while the scanner is still scanning, I'd have to use a watched directory or import multiple times. Since I'm usually

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bruce Dayton
Tada Finally said well - If you want an End to End System, Lightroom is among the best. If you want just a raw converter then Lightroom will probably get in your way. -- Bruce Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:24:05 AM, you wrote: snip GD if all you wanted was RAW conversion, use Camera Raw.

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
I use LR 2, and I don't use keywords at all. I didn't like it in Elements organizer, I don't like it in LR. I have it just reflect my files on disk. So one doesn't HAVE to use keywords, collections or metadata. (I prefer not to have to know TWO files organization systems -- I know

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread John Graves
Marnie, Thank you. That is interesting. I haven't done much Black and White since I put film in the closet. Take a look at the stairs in my Wedding set on Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/3383123133/in/set-72157615743020001/ Is that the sort of picture you would touch? PS, I was

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2009 10:17:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jh.gra...@verizon.net writes: Marnie, Thank you. That is interesting. I haven't done much Black and White since I put film in the closet. Take a look at the stairs in my Wedding set on Flickr.

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Adam Maas wrote: I'm still not seeing the supposed workflow efficiency boost here. Since you are disinclined to understand and use LR's features, I didn't suppose you would. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2009 10:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: It's obviously a matter of opinion, but I hate hierarchical file systems, and I loathe having to know how things are organised on the disk. This may be because I'm something of a purist about

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Adam Maas wrote: I'm still not seeing the supposed workflow efficiency boost here. Since you are disinclined to understand and use LR's features, I didn't suppose you would. G I do

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: snip but they aren't a panacea. Fortunately, they have drugs for that now... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
This didn't seem to go through, so sorry if you see it twice. -- In a message dated 4/3/2009 10:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: It's obviously a matter of opinion, but I hate hierarchical file systems, and I loathe having to know how things are

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Adam Maas wrote: I do understand the features in question. Just don't like working with them, they get in my way rather than improving efficiency. Keywords can be a powerful tool, but they aren't a panacea. I don't know where you get the idea that keywords are

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Adam Maas wrote: I do understand the features in question. Just don't like working with them, they get in my way rather than improving efficiency. Keywords can be a powerful tool, but they

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 3, 2009, at 09:58 , Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Adam Maas wrote: I always use a Macintosh. I always use Aperture. I like lasagna. They are the best. Anyone who uses any other hardware or

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
God Bob, you're old then! I mean seriously old! IBM? On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:16 , Bob W wrote: I started programming at a time when you literally had to decide exactly which platter, sector, cylinder etc. of which disk you wanted to put your file on, and later read it from, so all that

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: snip Sleep in your own feces... I've been reading this thread, and I'm sorry, but I see absolutely no good reason to to this. I mean I understand ~how~ to do this (large quantities of alcohol or drugs help), but for me

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2009 11:30:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: I've been reading this thread... [snip] ...but for me it just isn't the most efficient way to accomplish my tasks. cheers, frank (PC user) == That was your first mistake. Marnie

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/4/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Er -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Open source RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Larry Colen
I've been playing with virtualbox and it seems to do a good job for running windows on top of linux. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: snip Sleep in your own feces... I've been reading this thread, and I'm sorry, but I see absolutely no good reason to to this. I mean I understand ~how~ to do this (large quantities of alcohol or

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: First you say: I don't know where you get the idea that keywords are some kind of panacea or are essential to LR operation. They're neither. in response to my statement Keywords can be a powerful tool, but they aren't a panacea. You must

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: You're WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! It's far and away the best way for *everyone* to do this! And if you ask for a form of sleeping that doesn't involve the in feces bit you're being too demanding and/or not using it for its

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Scott Loveless
On 4/3/09, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: snip Sleep in your own feces... I've been reading this thread, and I'm sorry, but I see absolutely no good reason to to this. I mean I understand ~how~

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: On 3/4/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Er Yeah. I'd forgotten about Bill Robb. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: You just need the correct size rubber sheets.  You obviously haven't though this through. Mmm, rubber! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: First you say: I don't know where you get the idea that keywords are some kind of panacea or are essential to LR operation. They're neither. in response to my statement

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:49 , Adam Maas wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: First you say: Am I going to have to put an Adam Maas filter on my email rules to join the JCO filter? Take a 'lude, dude Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Graydon
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:30:59AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit: On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Pointing out that software can't do something which it easily *could* do, and is desired by some users, is not an exercise in futility. It is, in fact, how good, responsive

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