Chris Brogden wrote:
[. . .]
You can't tell me that most ISO 100 films, or a Nikon F5, or a Canon 1Ds,
or most f2.8 zooms are mediocre.
In my mind a 2.8 zoom is mediocre, even if it makes great photos. It's
big, it's slow to use, it's heavy, it's not unobtrusive, it's not as
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Most people LOL Most people lack an appreciation for quality,
have neither the patience nor temperament to think, work, or act outside
the box, and wouldn't know how to do squat
That sucks! Although a quick calc suggests maybe f2.8 ... whoops, no, you're right,
f4.0 :-
Does the Pentax have a very high shutter speed to
compensate for that high minimum ISO?
No. Top speed is 1/4000. That means on sunny days it will be hard to use
an aperture wider than f4.
on 19.11.03 1:22, William Robb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC, the compact disc came out in around 1984 or so, and records were
pretty much history by the early 1990s.
Film's days may be severely numbered.
Yes, but at the start CDs offered better quality than longplays. In contrast
digital
Mine too.
Many people asked me why I wanted a film SLR instead of a digital
pointshoot? It doesn't matter how nice is the *istD if I can't afford one.
And for me, shooting film is much cheaper (but I'd like to have more control
over the printing process).
Sorry, but at 1400+ USD (yes, I live in
Hi!
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:24:54 +0200
Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mine too.
Many people asked me why I wanted a film SLR instead of a digital
pointshoot? It doesn't matter how nice is the *istD if I can't
afford one.
And for me, shooting film is much cheaper (but I'd like
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From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:46 AM
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Normally, I think if and when technology wears out, it does not
disappear. It takes some niche market and stays there. I think that
until
Hi!
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:32:32 -0500
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
film won't disappear for a long time, but the wide affordable choices
will.
if all you can get is ISO 800 print film designed for long shelf
life, and
any random slide film is $20/roll before processing, only by mail
Subject: Re: A conversation with Noritsu.
Bill,
You're so practical LOL
So where's the 25 ISO, and 50 ISO choices? Which actually brings me to a
question that's been on my mind since I tried John's istD ... 200 ISO
seems like
a bit much for bright days. Does the Pentax have a very high
, November 19, 2003 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: A conversation with Noritsu.
film won't disappear for a long time, but the wide affordable choices
will.
if all you can get is ISO 800 print film designed for long shelf life, and
any random slide film is $20/roll before processing, only by mail order,
even
Well, they have been disappearing ... gone is agfa apx 25, Kodak Subatomic X,
Royal Gold 25, Kodachrome 25, and others. It's not just digi that's destroying
these fine films, it's crappy zoom lenses with slow apertures ...
shel
Bill Owens wrote:
Top shutter speed is 1/4000. I agree with you
It could be that you're right, Bill. It is just that my budget league
is ZX-L, not MZ-S...
Boris
I don't doubt film is on its way out. At all.
However, NOT THAT quickly. And until they drop prices, seriously drop them,
on DSLRs, I won't be getting one. My price league is about the same as
Hi,
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I'm sure most of the list doesn't give a rat's behind about this,
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And I suspect you know it.8-)
mike
(pining for KC25, even though they manage to lose most of it during
processing these days)
On 18 Nov 2003 at 23:11, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
That sucks! Although a quick calc suggests maybe f2.8 ... whoops, no, you're
right, f4.0 :-
WOW you have a lens faster than f4? LOL
Basically you can assume that progress in sensor design will lead to higher
sensitivity for a given pixel
Thus far, Mike, you're the only person to argue the point, thereby,
perhaps to some degree, proving it LOL
shel (hoarding APX 25)
mike wilson wrote:
I'm sure most of the list doesn't give a rat's behind about this,
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And I suspect you know it.8-)
fu ji fu ji fu ji fu ji.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:25 AM
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Steve Larson wrote:
Just when 800 speed film
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve
Desjardins) wrote:
I see an exponential decay for film, i.e., a rapid decline with a long
tail. For me the intersting question is will 35 outlive 120, or the
reverse, or will they go down together?
We all will go together when we go...
Hi,
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Thus far, Mike, you're the only person to argue the point, thereby,
perhaps to some degree, proving it LOL
shel (hoarding APX 25)
mike wilson wrote:
I'm sure most of the list doesn't give a rat's behind about this,
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
most people is where most of the money comes from 8-).
Herb
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:30 AM
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Most people LOL Most people lack
of the money comes from 8-).
Herb
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:30 AM
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Most people LOL Most people lack an appreciation for quality,
have neither
That was no spell checker screw up LOL
Butch Black wrote:
Kodak Subatomic X is that for a micro miniature camera?
(D**m spell check strikes again?) VBG
, November 19, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: A conversation with Noritsu.
So ... BFD. When it gets to the point that discriminating people can't
even
buy good equipment because the companies are busy dumbing down to most
people, it's a sad state of affairs. Name one, new, high-end, fully
manual
35mm
LOL
Herb Chong wrote:
then you never learned the golden rule. those that have the gold make the
rules. give them a few hundred million and they will happily set up plant
just for Shel's special film.
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
So ... BFD. When it gets to the point that discriminating people can't
even buy good equipment because the companies are busy dumbing down to
most people, it's a sad state of affairs. Name one, new, high-end,
fully manual 35mm camera that can be
Chris Brogden wrote:
The Nikon FM3A offers full manual control, with a hybrid
mechanical/electronic shutter. For those who don't know, this camera is
fully mechanical in manual mode, and only uses the electronic mechanisms
in aperture-priority.
I think the big problem here is that you're
Well, there are other manual cameras, but I believe we were talking about a
certain quality level ...
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I thought the FM3A was discontinued. Checking around, I see it's still
in stock in several stores on line. OK, that makes two manual cameras.
The price of the FM3A is
Funny thing, I notice in the BH catalog that you can still get apx-25 in Minox
film. Strange. I think Adox KB-14 and Efke 25 (actually the same film, I think)
is still available. Everybody start buying it, maybe they will continue to make
it for awhile.
--
Herb Chong wrote:
then you never
Voigtlander Bessa R and R2 are mechanical.
It does not bother me if they quit making mechanical cameras as there are enough
good used ones around to fill my needs. If they stop making film though I will
be up the creek.
Like I mentioned a while back you can no longer get 120 film in this town,
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that was one of the reasons I abandoned my P67 and
medium format. I liked doing color and both of my
local labs that did it closed. I was forced into
mail order processing which sucks. I now use
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Subject: RE
the CD came out just before 1980. it was very expensive at first and just
for show. i attended some of the Sony seminars when they were first coming
out. you couldn't buy anything at a record store until about 1982 though.
i would not be surprised to see ISO 800 color print film be about the only
Her opinion is that digital will replace film, in much the same way that
the
compact disc replaced long play records, and that it will happen at a very
fast pace.
IIRC, the compact disc came out in around 1984 or so, and records were
pretty much history by the early 1990s.
Film's days may
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, William Robb wrote:
She doesn't think that her company is putting much by way of resources
into improving film scanning, and really doesn't see minilab scanning
getting much better, if at all.
That's about what I've been hearing as well. From what I understand,
digital
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