Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Francis]

Thanks to all who contributed their thoughts.

It looks as though the answer is going to be Olympus.

A significant factor in that decision is that, as several people
(including my wife) pointed out to me, it doesn't matter how good
your camera is if it's sitting at home because it's too heavy to
carry around (and unfortunately you don't want to leave anything
valuable in your car at many of the tourist spots round here).

The decision was also influenced by the fact that Olympus kindly
chose to put their top-of-the-line sports & wildlife body - the
OM-D E-M1X - on sale for the next couple of weeks, so that instead
of being $3000 I could get it for less than the cost of a K-3iii.
Of course that's without any lenses ...

Fortunately I've alread got a couple of Olympus Micro 4/3 lenses
lying around - a 12-40mm and 40-150mm - that I bought some years
ago for my wife (together with an Olympus Pen EPL-1); I've got a
better 40-150 coming along with the body, but I'll be able to use
the 12-40 until I decide what to buy to cover those focal lengths.

So I guess that, assuming everything goes as planned, at some point
I'll be putting at least some of my Pentax gear up for sale.
(And yes, that *will* include the FA* 250-600/f5.6).

It will seem strange not to be using a Pentax as my everyday camera;
it's almost 50 years since I bought myself a Spotmatic II along with
a 50mm f1.4 lens, and I've stuck with Pentax ever since.
(MX, ME, ME Super, Super Program, PZ-1p, MZ-S, *ist-D, K10D, K5).

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Alan C]

Or simply the "Photographer's Discuss Mail List" plus a "PENTAX AT 
HEART" sticker for use on any camera or mobile!


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Re: Peso - Rural Cemetery

[John Sessoms]

Looks like an oak to me ... based on some leaves I can see.

On 11/18/2021 7:38 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
Marvelous Tree!  do we know species?  I can't make out  leaf shapes, and 
not good on deciduous barks..

a grandaddy of a tree for sure.. beautiful

ann

On 11/18/2021 5:25 PM, Mark C wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/51688433867

From September. Pentax Mz-S, Tamron 28-75 f2.8, Ultrafine Extreme 400.

Mark


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Re: Peso - Rural Cemetery

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> On Nov 18, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Mark C  wrote:
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/51688433867
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> From September. Pentax Mz-S, Tamron 28-75 f2.8, Ultrafine Extreme 400.

Wonderful shot.  At first I thought it was a bit noisy, then I realized that 
was grain.  Well done.


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Re: Peso - Rural Cemetery

[ann sanfedele]

Marvelous Tree!  do we know species?  I can't make out  leaf shapes, and 
not good on deciduous barks..

a grandaddy of a tree for sure.. beautiful

ann

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Pentax or Olympus?

[Bipin Gupta]

A friend on the i-Pentax Forum bought a Sony Full Frame Mirrorless
because his Pentax K-5 IIs + Lenses were causing him shoulder and neck
pain and he wanted a lighter gear.
Within a year he sold it and went back to the Pentax. Reason:-
a) He was not happy with the quality of the photos in RAW or JPEG
b) The body felt unbalanced with any lens beyond a 50mm.
c) The EVF was nowhere near to a Penta Prism.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Peso - Rural Cemetery

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 18.11.21 um 23:29 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

Very nice!  I love the way the tree appears to tower over the tombstones.
Great composition.


+1

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Re: Peso - Rural Cemetery

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Very nice!  I love the way the tree appears to tower over the tombstones.
Great composition.

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

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You might very well think that, but I couldn't possibly cormorant.

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Peso - Rural Cemetery

[Mark C]

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From September. Pentax Mz-S, Tamron 28-75 f2.8, Ultrafine Extreme 400.

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Re: PESO - Water Music

[John Sessoms]

I suspect an upright "console" or "spinet" piano. The back of the 
furniture would probably have enough buoyancy to float the smaller frame.


And I still think it's likely someone destroyed the piano before it 
entered the river so it may have more than just the soundboard.



On 11/18/2021 10:14 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Paul, the rectangular shape tells that it’s the frame, strings, and soundboard 
from an upright piano. I think that a flood could easly have torn away the 
cabinet and action, leaving this.

The cast-iron frame would weigh about 150-200 lbs, though, and a thin maple 
soundboard wouldn’t be bouyant enough to float it. How it got there remains a 
mystery-- though a raging torrent could have done it, I suppose.

Rick


On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

A flood can’t rip the sound board out of a piano. Pianos are hard to get 
dispose of, so some miscreants chop them up and dump them.


On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:12 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I though flood victim... - I guess it could be both..

ann

On 11/16/2021 6:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A sad story about illegal dumping, but a good catch my Mark.

Paul


On Nov 15, 2021, at 11:46 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:

Man, there’s got to be a story about that. Great shot.

- Marco


On Nov 15, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Mark C  wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/51683506849

Shot last November, I never got around to processing  and posting this image - 
visited this spot today and remembered this shot. Today I didn't manage to 
shoot out a whole roll of film - got 9 of 12 exposure in the bag - so it will 
be a day or two before I finish up today's work.

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Re: PESO - Water Music

[Mark C]

Thanks, Rick - I had been wondering what kind of piano that came from. 
The soundboard was not far from the shore at all - a couple of yards at 
most. And a a nice concrete boat ramp was just a few feet out of the 
frame. It would have been easy for someone to lug it there and drop it 
in the water, hoping to see it float off, in which case they would have 
been disappointed...


Mark

On 11/18/2021 10:14 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Paul, the rectangular shape tells that it’s the frame, strings, and soundboard 
from an upright piano. I think that a flood could easly have torn away the 
cabinet and action, leaving this.

The cast-iron frame would weigh about 150-200 lbs, though, and a thin maple 
soundboard wouldn’t be bouyant enough to float it. How it got there remains a 
mystery-- though a raging torrent could have done it, I suppose.

Rick


On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

A flood can’t rip the sound board out of a piano. Pianos are hard to get 
dispose of, so some miscreants chop them up and dump them.


On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:12 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I though flood victim... - I guess it could be both..

ann

On 11/16/2021 6:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A sad story about illegal dumping, but a good catch my Mark.

Paul


On Nov 15, 2021, at 11:46 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:

Man, there’s got to be a story about that. Great shot.

- Marco


On Nov 15, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Mark C  wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/51683506849

Shot last November, I never got around to processing  and posting this image - 
visited this spot today and remembered this shot. Today I didn't manage to 
shoot out a whole roll of film - got 9 of 12 exposure in the bag - so it will 
be a day or two before I finish up today's work.

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

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On 11/18/2021 11:26 AM, Toine wrote:

First images from my panasonic are excellent:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=006-360-1000139
f/8 1/640 sec 400mm ISO 500

It's amazing, a fancy mirrorless body and a Leica superzoom for the
price of a K3III. Sorry...




No reason to apologize. You do what you have to do to get the images you 
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Almost Pentax Related Content

[John Sessoms]

I ran across a YouTube video that starts out with photographing a 
Cormorant fisherman in on the Li river south of Guilin in China - where 
I blew the shot during my December 2010 visit.


Also some other scenic landscapes in the area.

If I had the chance to go back I'd love to spend the whole trip along 
the Li river between Guilin and Yangshou County. And this time I would 
get the shot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqp5p6N3-gE

The Cormorant fisherman is the first three minutes or so.

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Brian W]

I've more or less moved to OLympus.  I still have my K-5, K-01 & istDS and a
variety of lenses but I rarely use them now.  I have an E-M10 & E-M5 II and
think they are the bees knees.  I really like the electronic viewfinders and
don't find them at all inferior to the optical finders of the Pentaxes.

The only negative is the fairly short battery life but a couple of spares takes
care of that.

I really wish Pentax did something like this.


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> On 18 November 2021 at 08:37 John Francis  wrote:
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> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether I'll
> stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing
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OT: Humorous Wildlife Images

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:12 PM, Bill  wrote:
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> Check out this guy's stuff.
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/klatuu13/albums/

Ooh, wow! Love it. All of it.


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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Switch to an iPhone 13 Pro Max. It will provide excellent 11 megapixel photos 
> with wide, normal and short tele lenses. Lots of nice features like portrait 
> and panorama modes. Excellent video too. Good in camera editing as well. Oh, 
> and it has phone and web browser functions, When you need big glass or higher 
> res use your Pentax,

Experience with the amazing—to me, of course—Fuji XQ1 compact, which I 
purchased to keep my kit light for a 2015 bike tour in Italy, caused me to 
start graduating away from Pentax. I kept the XQ1, purchased a Fuji XM1 and a 
Fuji XF 27/2.8 lens, and gradually sold off my Pentax bodies and lenses. 

Subsequently, when on a month spent on the Blue ridge Parkway I found myself 
without batteries for the Fuji equipment when both of the battery chargers 
purchased for the trip failed to work, I resorted to my iPhone 6s as my backup 
camera and was stunned at the quality of the images I got. 

On three trips to the Big Bend area since then the iPhone has been my only 
camera. I have one photo from those trips enlarged and framed on my wall now. 
There could be more. The only thing I longed for with the 6s was a telephoto 
lens to bring some of the distant landscape scenes of Big Bend up closer.

Recently I upgraded the 6s to an iPhone 12 Pro, mainly for the telephoto lens 
it provides. I find it helpful in other settings but it won’t meet the need I 
feel in Big Bend landscapes. Should I get the opportunity to return to Big Bend 
I will consider going back to Pentax for this: 
https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/vm-6x21-wp-monocular/

It’ll perhaps be admitting my lack of technical sophistication, but I find the 
editing capabilities of iPhone cameras and Apple’s Photos app fully adequate to 
my needs. I will hang onto LightRoom as a way of preserving the editing I did 
with my Pentax and Fuji photos but rely on Photos from here on out as my 
primary photo editing and organizing software. 

What were you referring to, Paul, when you mentioned the 13 Pro Max’s “phone 
and web browser functions”?


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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Stanley Halpin]

Hi. My name is Stan, and I have way too much Pentax gear. Thank you for 
allowing me to join you at this evening’s meeting of those suffering from Gear 
Acquisition Syndrome.

But seriously… Within a few months I hope to get back to my occasional travels 
to foreign/scenic/exotic places. And I have been giving a lot of thought as to 
what gear to take and how to use it. One K-1ii or both of them. 645Z? But that 
probably means the tripod as well. I hate not having a back-up camera… And the 
APS-C format is nice for bird shots.

All of this musing led me to purchase a K-3iii. After a few months, about 1000 
images, I sold it. This may not be relevant for others, but my issue was with 
the menu structure and the heavy use of touch-screen in lieu of hierarchical 
lists under the Menu button. I’ll confess that I probably just did not give it 
enough serious study, and I coulda shoulda set up a few User settings so that I 
wouldn’t need to worry about the menu details. But I sold it, bought a used 
K-3ii for about 25% the price of the K-3iii. 

If I were to switch to a different brand Olympus would be high on my list just 
because long long ago, before my ME-Super, I had the OM-1 and was very pleased 
with everything about it except the match-needle exposure was off and my 
brother convinced me to try the Pentax. I would also consider some version of 
Nikon just because the last time I looked the menus/buttons etc. were similar 
to Pentax. But I cannot imagine that any brand camera at this point would be a 
bad choice, in terms of quality. For me, as with the K-3iii the choice would 
come down to usability.

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> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it 
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have 
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag 
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing 
> the weight.
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Re: PESO - Water Music

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 18.11.21 um 16:14 schrieb Rick Womer:


The cast-iron frame would weigh about 150-200 lbs, though, and a thin maple 
soundboard wouldn’t be bouyant enough to float it. How it got there remains a 
mystery-- though a raging torrent could have done it, I suppose.


The raging torrents in Belgium last summer have shifted the most
incredible things, most of them not bouyant: cars, vans, office
containers... You name them, they've dragged them out of the river
Vesdre afterwards.

Ralf

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Toine]

First images from my panasonic are excellent:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=006-360-1000139
f/8 1/640 sec 400mm ISO 500

It's amazing, a fancy mirrorless body and a Leica superzoom for the
price of a K3III. Sorry...


On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 16:18, Rick Womer  wrote:
>
> John, I was having similar weight problems with my K-5 and accessories (17-70 
> usually on the camera, 10-17 and 50-200 in the bag; sometimes the 80-320).
>
> I tracked down a LowePro Off Road bag, which has a great built-in hip belt. 
> That takes all the strain off my neck and shoulders, but keeps everything 
> accessible.
>
> The two drawbacks are that it isn’t waterproof, and has been out of 
> production for several years.
>
> Rick
>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> > I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> >
> > I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate 
> > it if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> > experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> > thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> > And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or 
> > have considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> >
> > The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> > younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera 
> > bag full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to 
> > reducing the weight.
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Rick Womer]

John, I was having similar weight problems with my K-5 and accessories (17-70 
usually on the camera, 10-17 and 50-200 in the bag; sometimes the 80-320).

I tracked down a LowePro Off Road bag, which has a great built-in hip belt. 
That takes all the strain off my neck and shoulders, but keeps everything 
accessible.

The two drawbacks are that it isn’t waterproof, and has been out of production 
for several years.

Rick

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it 
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have 
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag 
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing 
> the weight.
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Re: PESO - Water Music

[Rick Womer]

Paul, the rectangular shape tells that it’s the frame, strings, and soundboard 
from an upright piano. I think that a flood could easly have torn away the 
cabinet and action, leaving this.

The cast-iron frame would weigh about 150-200 lbs, though, and a thin maple 
soundboard wouldn’t be bouyant enough to float it. How it got there remains a 
mystery-- though a raging torrent could have done it, I suppose.

Rick

> On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> A flood can’t rip the sound board out of a piano. Pianos are hard to get 
> dispose of, so some miscreants chop them up and dump them.
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:12 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I though flood victim... - I guess it could be both..
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> On 11/16/2021 6:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> A sad story about illegal dumping, but a good catch my Mark.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2021, at 11:46 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
 
 Man, there’s got to be a story about that. Great shot.
 
 - Marco
 
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/51683506849
> 
> Shot last November, I never got around to processing  and posting this 
> image - visited this spot today and remembered this shot. Today I didn't 
> manage to shoot out a whole roll of film - got 9 of 12 exposure in the 
> bag - so it will be a day or two before I finish up today's work.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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