Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction Photos

[Larry Colen]

I used the latest LRC to process a bunch of photos I did of a friend’s CD 
release/birthday party.

I basically did the processing the day before I moved, so I just narrowed the 
sets down to “proof” level. One of my final steps was to do a mass application 
of noise reduction.  Some photos (wide angle) were taken with the K-1, the 
tighter shots were taken with the K-3 III.

They were mostly bracketed in Tav, basically getting me two frames with an 
under exposed frame as insurance against blown out highlights.  

These basically show what half assed application of the new LR noise reduction 
does.

These were mostly K-3 III
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720307556130

These were mostly K-1
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720307553706

It seems to do a pretty good job.

These don’t show cutting edge, max performance, just how it works going through 
a bunch of stuff quickly.

At some point I hope to go back and clean up the best ones, but I’m currently 
400 miles from home and m good computer.

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction Photos

[Comcast]

Looks good. Not at all waxy to my eye. (Which is admittedly worn out.) 

I have a lot of pics I shot at 51200 when I was photographic tavern pool 
tournaments. Some were pushed a stop or more beyond that in post. I’ll have to 
dig some out. Sounds like fun. 

Paul

> On Apr 22, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> I found a K5 file shot at ISO 51200. I doubt very much if I had in camera
> noise reduction turned on.
> The first image is the raw file at whatever defaults Lightroom opened it
> with.
> The second is with Denoise used, no other changes.
> I left a small amount of noise in to give the skin some texture. If you
> don't it starts to look waxy very quickly.
> I did have to save the original at a lower quality setting to keep the file
> size reasonable.
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2ov8sHb
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2ov6piA
> 
> Enjoy
> 
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> ...
> For people who use photoshop $10/month is a great deal.  For people who only 
> use lightroom, it’s not such a good deal, as much or more as we were paying 
> for annual upgrades, and we simply lose the ability to continue using an 
> older version without paying.

I disagree. I use LR almost exclusively, but if at any time I needed/wanted to 
use Photoshop, I can download it, use it for what I need/want, and delete it to 
save disk space. LR with a perpetual license was about $129 retail list, often 
discounted to $90, and was updated about every 18 months with the update 
costing $25-50. Photoshop was about $400 and updated on a similar schedule for 
about $200. 

So call it six years I'd been using LR perpetual license. That's one purchase 
and three upgrades or about $190 or so. If Photoshop, it was about $900-1000. 
If both, add them together.

Now you get both for $120/year, regardless of which you want to use or how 
much, and you get updates about every two months. 

So one or both now price out to the same $720 over six years, which is a bit of 
a cost increase for the only LR user and a significant reduction for the PS or 
PS+LR user. 

Nothing forces you to do an update … you can continue to use an older version 
as long as you want as long as you keep paying the monthly. You do have to keep 
paying the monthly, however. This is probably a good thing even for you, not 
only for Adobe, since it implies that Adobe might remain in business and have 
software that works and that you're accustomed to available for your use when 
the Pentax K XXXVI ships. ;) 

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ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction Photos

[Bill]

I found a K5 file shot at ISO 51200. I doubt very much if I had in camera
noise reduction turned on.
The first image is the raw file at whatever defaults Lightroom opened it
with.
The second is with Denoise used, no other changes.
I left a small amount of noise in to give the skin some texture. If you
don't it starts to look waxy very quickly.
I did have to save the original at a lower quality setting to keep the file
size reasonable.

https://flic.kr/p/2ov8sHb

https://flic.kr/p/2ov6piA

Enjoy

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 10:52 AM Comcast  wrote:

> I don’t know what “ransomware” is, but photoshop online has been a great
> deal. It’s installed on my box and faster than the last CC version. It
> costs ten bucks a month and includes bridge, ACR, photoshop, Lightroom and
> more. It upgrades automatically so I get all the latest features.
>
> Paul
>

Ransomware is what Adobe has been called since they went to the
subscription service. It's an unfair pejorative.
If you stop paying for Photoshop, then it stops working.
If you stop paying for Lightroom my understanding is it keeps working in a
read only mode. You have access to your files with Lightroom adjustments,
and you can export them with adjustments but you can no longer use any of
the editing or other functions such as Import, or resave the file.
If you have files stored in their cloud service (I don't), and stop paying,
you can no longer upload files and you have a full year to download them or
otherwise deal with them before they are no longer available.

There has been a lot of misinformation being disseminated regarding the
Adobe subscription service.
It's not as bad as it's made out to be.
I'm renting the use of both Lightroom and Photoshop. I believe it is
costing me less this way than the cost of upgrading to a new version every
couple of years which I tended to do to keep Adobe Raw up to date with my
camera, which also seemed to change every couple of years, usually soon
after the most recent Camera Raw update.

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Apr 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 22.04.23 um 18:51 schrieb Comcast:
>> I don’t know what “ransomware” is, but photoshop online has been a great 
>> deal. It’s installed on my box and faster than the last CC version. It costs 
>> ten bucks a month and includes bridge, ACR, photoshop, Lightroom and more. 
>> It upgrades automatically so I get all the latest features.
> 
> ...and you lose all your work and edits in Lightroom if you stop paying.
> Now, if this isn't a ransom I don't know what is.

Mmm. That's not correct. I could stop using LR tomorrow and not lose anything 
except my un-completed edits. It's a matter of both workflow and policy.

- When you edit metadata in LR, if you save to disk occasionally (like you 
should) the metadata and any editing parameters are stored in a sidecar file 
with each raw format image or embedded in the image itself if the image is DNG 
or JPEG format. 

- When you complete a rendering in LR, you should export it as a finished 
image. This wraps together all the image edits as well as any metadata you've 
annotated the image with and creates a new file will all that information 
completely outside the LR environment. Any image processing app that opens JPEG 
or TIFF output would be able to display exactly what you did, and all the 
metadata annotation, that was created with LR.

AND if I were to decide a year later that I'd like to use LR again, just 
re-open the database with a newly downloaded version of LR and everything will 
pop right back into place. 

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Paul Stenquist]

Sounds reasonable. I have never used Lightroom for more than a few minutes, so 
I’m not aware of it’s peculiarities.

Paul

> On Apr 22, 2023, at 6:12 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Comcast  wrote:
>> 
>> Of course. But it’s also important to note that Adobe doesn’t hold one’s 
>> files for ransom.
> 
> Just the ability to access the work that you’ve done, and make updates later. 
>  
> 
> For people who use photoshop $10/month is a great deal.  For people who only 
> use lightroom, it’s not such a good deal, as much or more as we were paying 
> for annual upgrades, and we simply lose the ability to continue using an 
> older version without paying.
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> Of course. But it’s also important to note that Adobe doesn’t hold one’s 
> files for ransom.

Just the ability to access the work that you’ve done, and make updates later.  

For people who use photoshop $10/month is a great deal.  For people who only 
use lightroom, it’s not such a good deal, as much or more as we were paying for 
annual upgrades, and we simply lose the ability to continue using an older 
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Comcast]

Of course. But it’s also important to note that Adobe doesn’t hold one’s files 
for ransom.

Paul

> On Apr 22, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> It seems very easy for people to forget that what works, or doesn’t work, 
> for them is not a universal answer.  
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 22.04.23 um 20:53 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I continue to be glad it's working well for you. It really doesn't 
>>> matter what sort of software you use as long as you're happy with it and it 
>>> gets the job you want done properly. :)
>> 
>> Amen to that.
>> 
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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It seems very easy for people to forget that what works, or doesn’t work, for 
them is not a universal answer.  


> On Apr 22, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 22.04.23 um 20:53 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:
> 
>> Anyway, I continue to be glad it's working well for you. It really doesn't 
>> matter what sort of software you use as long as you're happy with it and it 
>> gets the job you want done properly. :)
> 
> Amen to that.
> 
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Comcast]

I don’t use Lightroom, but I know the Adobe photo package comes with a cloud 
version and an installed version. I use ACR and photoshop, save all my pics on 
two external drives and back them up on Dropbox.

Paul

> On Apr 22, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 22.04.23 um 18:51 schrieb Comcast:
>> I don’t know what “ransomware” is, but photoshop online has been a great 
>> deal. It’s installed on my box and faster than the last CC version. It costs 
>> ten bucks a month and includes bridge, ACR, photoshop, Lightroom and more. 
>> It upgrades automatically so I get all the latest features.
> 
> ...and you lose all your work and edits in Lightroom if you stop paying.
> Now, if this isn't a ransom I don't know what is.
> 
> Ralf
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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Am 22.04.23 um 20:53 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:


Anyway, I continue to be glad it's working well for you. It really doesn't 
matter what sort of software you use as long as you're happy with it and it 
gets the job you want done properly. :)


Amen to that.

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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Am 22.04.23 um 18:51 schrieb Comcast:

I don’t know what “ransomware” is, but photoshop online has been a great deal. 
It’s installed on my box and faster than the last CC version. It costs ten 
bucks a month and includes bridge, ACR, photoshop, Lightroom and more. It 
upgrades automatically so I get all the latest features.


...and you lose all your work and edits in Lightroom if you stop paying.
Now, if this isn't a ransom I don't know what is.

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Re: If I had a photography bucket list item ...

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> On Apr 20, 2023, at 8:00 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> 
> … it would be to get another 8x10 and have a pilot fly me to some place in 
> northern Canada or Alaska where nobody has been or photographed yet. And then 
> do it.
> 
> Also, I’d like to have Elon Musk fly me to Mars to photograph it as long as 
> there’s a guaranteed return trip.

I think, in the latter case, that if Elon were good buddy enough to fly me 
there, I'd just as well stay and enjoy the quiet. Presuming a couple years stay 
in an appropriate habitat and enough interesting videos in the library, of 
course.

I'd be happy to work for him as Greeter for the next expeditions... :)

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 22.04.23 um 16:48 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:
>> Ralf, I'm glad ON1 is working so well for you.
>> 
>> I tested it pretty thoroughly some time back and found that it was near to 
>> unusable for my work. It seems to never stop processing and be finished with 
>> a job, no matter how small the number of files I gave it to work on. After a 
>> month of trying to use it, I gave up and erased it on my system.
> 
> It was indeed slower than LR while I had it on the Intel-based Mac Mini.
> On bigger jobs it drove the processor temp up to 100 deg c and then the
> computer would put the brakes on to keep it from getting any higher.
> 
> All that changed when I got the Mac Studio and moved the RAW files from
> a sluggish NAS to USB3 SSDs connected directly to the computer.
> Everything is fine and fast now.

Hmm. A $90 app that requires a multi-thousand dollar investment in higher 
performance computing equipment isn't really my idea of a good deal. ;) 

My raw image library has been stored on fast, locally-connected USB3 (since 
USB3 came out)  spinning and SSD media. And I have the top of the line 6-core 
Intel-i7 3.2Ghz Mac mini with 64G RAM and a 2T SSD internal drive where the app 
resides. It never got near to overheating; ON1 simply never finished chattering 
back and forth from storage to RAM. 

Anyway, I continue to be glad it's working well for you. It really doesn't 
matter what sort of software you use as long as you're happy with it and it 
gets the job you want done properly. :)

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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I don’t know what “ransomware” is, but photoshop online has been a great deal. 
It’s installed on my box and faster than the last CC version. It costs ten 
bucks a month and includes bridge, ACR, photoshop, Lightroom and more. It 
upgrades automatically so I get all the latest features. 

Paul

> On Apr 22, 2023, at 9:56 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I"m guessing ON1 is something I can't afford :-(   The results are stunning  
> though..
> 
> I have sooo many slides..  LIke this shot of the Pride of Bruges .. more 
> interesting to my eye than the
> straight shot of the side of her...
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 4/22/2023 5:31 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>>> Am 21.04.23 um 21:22 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest 
>>> version of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very 
>>> nice job. Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly 
>>> save a noisy shot.
>> 
>> All major image processing software appears to have some AI based
>> denoising function nowadays.
>> 
>> As some of you might know, I've ditched Adobe's ransomware in favour of
>> ON1 Photo RAW and its denoising never ceases to amaze me. Best of all,
>> it doesn't only work on RAW files from digital cameras but also on TIFF
>> files with analog film data and the results with scans of 25 year old
>> 400 ISO stock are incredible.
>> 
>> Whatever I throw at it, noisy stuff from my *istDS or grainy colour
>> film, I've got a bunch of shots that I'd never have published otherwise.
>> 
>> The same goes for DxO Photolab 6 but sadly it only works with RAW files,
>> not scans.
>> 
>> Here's an example from ON1. ISO 400 colour negative made even worse by
>> having it processed in a 1-hour-minilab, scanned after 25 years.
>> 
>> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/pride-of-bruges-fotoralfbe/45950975
>> 
>> Ralf
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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Am 22.04.23 um 16:48 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:

Ralf, I'm glad ON1 is working so well for you.

I tested it pretty thoroughly some time back and found that it was near to 
unusable for my work. It seems to never stop processing and be finished with a 
job, no matter how small the number of files I gave it to work on. After a 
month of trying to use it, I gave up and erased it on my system.


It was indeed slower than LR while I had it on the Intel-based Mac Mini.
On bigger jobs it drove the processor temp up to 100 deg c and then the
computer would put the brakes on to keep it from getting any higher.

All that changed when I got the Mac Studio and moved the RAW files from
a sluggish NAS to USB3 SSDs connected directly to the computer.
Everything is fine and fast now.

Ralf

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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Yes and no.  I'm remembering an older shot I think, without the people 
on the beach..
and yes I mixed up the names .. the people on the beach and the light 
house make the shot
for me that I was confused about...  I just generally find straight 
shots of the side of a large modern day ship

uninteresting.

I looked up ON1 and it doesn't matter what the cost is because I have 
windows 7 pro and I'm hoping
it will function for at least another couple of years.. the thought of 
upgrading is nightmarish to me.


ann


On 4/22/2023 10:38 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 22.04.23 um 15:56 schrieb ann sanfedele:

I"m guessing ON1 is something I can't afford :-(


The regular price for a perpetual license is around 90 dollars but it
drops as low as fifty-odd towards the end of the year.


I have sooo many slides..  LIke this shot of the Pride of Bruges .. more
interesting to my eye than the straight shot of the side of her...


The side of her? Do you mean the photo of the Pride of Burgundy, another
vessel altogether?

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/seht-sie-euch-noch-mal-gut-an-fotoralfbe/47301902 



The trouble with the shot of the Bruges is that it can only be taken
from the top of another ferry, so you'd have to go to England and back
for that. And with the mess at Dover which is getting worse by the day I
don't see us doing that any time soon.

Ralf

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ralf, I'm glad ON1 is working so well for you. 

I tested it pretty thoroughly some time back and found that it was near to 
unusable for my work. It seems to never stop processing and be finished with a 
job, no matter how small the number of files I gave it to work on. After a 
month of trying to use it, I gave up and erased it on my system. 

I had similar experience trying to use Capture One, which some other folks I 
know never cease to extol the benefits of … I have tried to use it several 
times over the past 10 years and simply cannot get the hang of it. Just 
importing image files into it seems horrendously over-complicated and prone to 
making errors.

For the moment, I pay the $10/month fee for LR Classic and Photoshop, haven't 
bothered to even install Photoshop. LR Classic does an excellent job, every 
time. Such it is, eh? :)

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 2:31 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 21.04.23 um 21:22 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
> 
>> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest 
>> version of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very 
>> nice job. Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly 
>> save a noisy shot.
> 
> All major image processing software appears to have some AI based
> denoising function nowadays.
> 
> As some of you might know, I've ditched Adobe's ransomware in favour of
> ON1 Photo RAW and its denoising never ceases to amaze me. Best of all,
> it doesn't only work on RAW files from digital cameras but also on TIFF
> files with analog film data and the results with scans of 25 year old
> 400 ISO stock are incredible.
> 
> Whatever I throw at it, noisy stuff from my *istDS or grainy colour
> film, I've got a bunch of shots that I'd never have published otherwise.
> 
> The same goes for DxO Photolab 6 but sadly it only works with RAW files,
> not scans.
> 
> Here's an example from ON1. ISO 400 colour negative made even worse by
> having it processed in a 1-hour-minilab, scanned after 25 years.
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/pride-of-bruges-fotoralfbe/45950975
> 
> Ralf

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The latest update of LR Classic incorporates this "AI noise reduction" as well. 
I'll have to go backwards in time to find some older photos that need it, that 
I have already processed in older versions of LR and saved as TIFFs, so see 
what difference it makes. 

In general, none of my current cameras produce files that have any problems 
with noise. I don't think I've touched the noise reduction sliders with any of 
my photos for a couple of years now, at least. My more usual adjustment is to 
sharpening … where I find LR Classic tends, with some cameras, to over-sharpen 
by default.  

G


> On Apr 21, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest version 
> of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very nice job. 
> Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly save a noisy 
> shot.
> 
> Paul
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The latest update of LR Classic incorporates this "AI noise reduction" as well. 
I'll have to go backwards in time to find some older photos that need it, that 
I have already processed in older versions of LR and saved as TIFFs, so see 
what difference it makes. 

In general, none of my current cameras produce files that have any problems 
with noise. I don't think I've touched the noise reduction sliders with any of 
my photos for a couple of years now, at least. My more usual adjustment is to 
sharpening … where I find LR Classic tends, with some cameras, to over-sharpen 
by default.  

G


> On Apr 21, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest version 
> of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very nice job. 
> Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly save a noisy 
> shot.
> 
> Paul
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 22.04.23 um 15:56 schrieb ann sanfedele:

I"m guessing ON1 is something I can't afford :-(


The regular price for a perpetual license is around 90 dollars but it
drops as low as fifty-odd towards the end of the year.


I have sooo many slides..  LIke this shot of the Pride of Bruges .. more
interesting to my eye than the straight shot of the side of her...


The side of her? Do you mean the photo of the Pride of Burgundy, another
vessel altogether?

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/seht-sie-euch-noch-mal-gut-an-fotoralfbe/47301902

The trouble with the shot of the Bruges is that it can only be taken
from the top of another ferry, so you'd have to go to England and back
for that. And with the mess at Dover which is getting worse by the day I
don't see us doing that any time soon.

Ralf

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[ann sanfedele]

This one :

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/pride-of-bruges-fotoralfbe/45950975

maybe your email software stripped what I was replying to?

ann

On 4/22/2023 10:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

"LIke this shot of the Pride of Bruges"

Which shot?

Dan Matyola
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"LIke this shot of the Pride of Bruges "

Which shot?

Dan Matyola
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[ann sanfedele]

I"m guessing ON1 is something I can't afford :-(   The results are 
stunning  though..


I have sooo many slides..  LIke this shot of the Pride of Bruges .. more 
interesting to my eye than the

straight shot of the side of her...

ann

On 4/22/2023 5:31 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 21.04.23 um 21:22 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest 
version of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a 
very nice job. Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can 
certainly save a noisy shot.


All major image processing software appears to have some AI based
denoising function nowadays.

As some of you might know, I've ditched Adobe's ransomware in favour of
ON1 Photo RAW and its denoising never ceases to amaze me. Best of all,
it doesn't only work on RAW files from digital cameras but also on TIFF
files with analog film data and the results with scans of 25 year old
400 ISO stock are incredible.

Whatever I throw at it, noisy stuff from my *istDS or grainy colour
film, I've got a bunch of shots that I'd never have published otherwise.

The same goes for DxO Photolab 6 but sadly it only works with RAW files,
not scans.

Here's an example from ON1. ISO 400 colour negative made even worse by
having it processed in a 1-hour-minilab, scanned after 25 years.

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/pride-of-bruges-fotoralfbe/45950975

Ralf

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 21.04.23 um 21:22 schrieb Paul Stenquist:


Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest version 
of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very nice job. 
Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly save a noisy 
shot.


All major image processing software appears to have some AI based
denoising function nowadays.

As some of you might know, I've ditched Adobe's ransomware in favour of
ON1 Photo RAW and its denoising never ceases to amaze me. Best of all,
it doesn't only work on RAW files from digital cameras but also on TIFF
files with analog film data and the results with scans of 25 year old
400 ISO stock are incredible.

Whatever I throw at it, noisy stuff from my *istDS or grainy colour
film, I've got a bunch of shots that I'd never have published otherwise.

The same goes for DxO Photolab 6 but sadly it only works with RAW files,
not scans.

Here's an example from ON1. ISO 400 colour negative made even worse by
having it processed in a 1-hour-minilab, scanned after 25 years.

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/pride-of-bruges-fotoralfbe/45950975

Ralf

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Re: A random XKCD strip that turned up today

[mike wilson]

The lengths they will go to for point scoring, though...

> On 22/04/2023 00:33 Comcast  wrote:
> 
>  
> HAR! Love the obsessive photographers. They’re focused!
> 
> Paul
> 
> > On Apr 21, 2023, at 7:18 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> > 
> > I occasionally see what a random XKCD strip turns up
> > (I've got https://c.xkcd.com/random/comic/ bookmarked).
> > 
> > This one amused me:  https://xkcd.com/1014/
> > 
> > Cars and cameras - what's not to like?  :-)
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