Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> 
>> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
>> 
>> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
>> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
>> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
>> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
>> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
>> 
> 
> I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC 
> and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 
> 
> If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
> problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
> sorting all stuffed up. 
> 
> Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record 
> of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in 
> image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

Hmm. I like to keep the camera's date setting current, but rarely ever look at 
the time my cameras are set to. 
I order things in LR by frame number, not by time, and only very very 
occasionally use more than one camera at a time, so it's rarely an issue. 

If I do have two cameras output (iphone and m10m, or m10m and m10r), since I 
don't shoot all that many frames in a session on average, I can usually 
integrate all the photos together in the right sequence and then rename them 
into an ordinal sequence, if that seems important. I can also set the capture 
times into an ordinal range that way. 

Most of the time, I don't worry about time and date very much. Once I've 
rendered my photos and put together a set to display, whatever order they are 
in is what I choose, not what the frame numbering or the time/date sequence 
are. 

Life is sure simpler in the Polaroid instant film world where a pack of film 
has only eight exposures and I can remember exactly what sequence I shot them 
in… :D

G
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Re: Impressed again

[Rick Womer]

Wow!

My favorites of this =excellent= collection:

- The house fronts reflected in the water ( # 75? A more viewer-friendly 
numbering scheme would be nice.)
- The houses fronting on the canal, with reflections (#60)
- The roomful of bottles of beer,
- The church front (last shot)

We really like Brugges, but my photos weren’t nearly this good!

Rick


> On Jan 22, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> The Contrast Kid strikes again.
> 
> Excellent!
> 
> I hate you.
> 
> Cotty
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 23:34, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Bruges:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720314202508/ 
>> 
>> 
>> Amsterdam:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720314189047 
>> 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
>> 
>> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
>> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
>> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
>> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
>> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
>> 
> 
> I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC 
> and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 
> 
> If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
> problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
> sorting all stuffed up. 

I have actually been seriously considering changing my cameras to GMT or UTC, 
and not have to worry about DST, time zones or anything like that.  

I've also taken photos of the time on my phone with the K-3iii or the Lumix to 
help sync the times in lightroom.

> 
> Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record 
> of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in 
> image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

In theory, you can get that information from the GPS you know.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Mark Roberts]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

>Long ago and far away (specifically, Northern Italy, 2007) I took a drive from 
>our B lodging around Lago Garda, a beautiful region favored as a vacation 
>spot since the Middle Ages if not earlier. Several small fishing villages 
>around the lake. I of course stopped at every village and took shots of the 
>fishing boats and other boats in the marinas & dock areas.
>
>Two weeks later, back home, scrolling through the images on my 
>computer, I kept thinking to myself: “Self, where were you when you 
>took that  photo? Which village was it? How can I properly caption 
>the image if I don’t know the name of the village!”

This is roughly my situation. Lisa and I are doing a lot more travel
these days and I find it very helpful to have GPS tagging on my photos
to tell where each was taken (there were places in the Czech Republic
that I didn't even know the name of until after the trip when I looked
at the GPS coordinates). I'm not interested in adding to either my
shooting workflow (taking notes and getting left behind by the rest of
the group) or my post-processing workflow (synching up with a separate
file of GPS data). And I certainly don't want any extra dongles or
anything to carry with me. A GPS-enabled camera is the simplest
solution. I'll be getting a K-3ii.

BTW: I just noticed that the K-3ii has dual SD card slots! Bravo!
Another feature made to order for me. With the K-1 I always shoot to
both SD cards at once, just in case of memory card failure or one-off
file corruption, the latter of which has happened to me a few times.
 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 4:36 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> On 1/22/2024 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to 
>>> fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it.
>>> 
>>> I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in 
>>> more than a general way) when I took a photo.
>> Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within 
>> a few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks 
>> synchronized.
> 
> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
> 
> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
> 

John, I don’t trust the time setting 100%. However, the best hack I have found 
is to take a picture of my watch or nearby clock every morning, with whatever 
cameras I have with me, GPS or not. It is easy to re-set the time in metadata 
in LR Classic later, and so I can correct any wrong time zones by camera for 
all shots in the day, and at the same time it synchs all cameras (eg, mine and 
whatever Meg is using) so that a sort by time-shot puts images into proper 
order. Which greatly facilitates selecting multiple images for keyboarding, etc.

Stan
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Bob W PDML]

> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
> 
> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
> 

I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC and 
the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 

If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
sorting all stuffed up. 

Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record of 
where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in image 
files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[John Sessoms]

On 1/22/2024 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote:




On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to fiddle 
with the phone whenever I want to use it.

I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more 
than a general way) when I took a photo.


Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within a 
few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks 
synchronized.



Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?

That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a 
different time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the 
correct time zone, i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it 
doesn't have a setting for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in 
Albuquerque ... or halfway round the world, so the clock may be off 
anywhere 2 to 12 hours.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Steve Cottrell]

Mark!

Oh damn.

As you were.

Cot

> On 20 Jan 2024, at 16:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I tend to agree with Paul on this


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Re: Impressed again

[Steve Cottrell]

The Contrast Kid strikes again.

Excellent!

I hate you.

Cotty



> On 19 Jan 2024, at 23:34, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Bruges:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720314202508/ 
> 
> 
> Amsterdam:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720314189047 
> 

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re: the GPS question (was: Re: Pentax APS-C cameras)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A number of interesting answers to the "why GPS" question, thank you. 

From the answers, I think my long-held workflow practices from non-GPS equipped 
cameras manage to do the same job … when traveling, I keep a journal and update 
it daily with the names and places of everywhere I've visited, any interesting 
sights, any specific photo ops I've made. Since LR came available in 2006, I've 
input a digest of this information with every import operation as IPTC 
information … locations, subjects and notion in keywords, etc. So it's 
typically a lot faster for me to say, "Hmm, where was this photo made and what 
other photos were made around there?" and find the answers by searching IPTC 
metadata rather than depending upon GPS information. GPS information adds to 
that IPTC metadata, but since only one or two of my cameras (and the 
smartphones) have ever had GPS tagging in them, way more of my needs in this 
domain come from the metadata tagging that has been part of my photography 
forever. 

(Older photography from the film era … well, I did the same annotation of the 
negatives with keywords, location, etc on the negative sleeves…)

Since the focus of my photographic efforts is only casually documentarian in 
nature for the most part, the notion of "needing" automated location/time-date 
stamping as part of my photographic efforts has simply never been part of my 
personal work by much. It is something of a curiosity when I go out with only 
the iPhone or the Light L16 cameras and later review the original photos I 
import in the Maps module of LR Classic. 

And of course, I normally strip all metadata in the photos I post to my flickr 
site. To me, the reason for posting photos has little to do, most of the time, 
with where, when, and what equipment was used in the making of the photos. I'm 
interested in the emotional content and expression of photographs, not in the 
literal description of what is imaged… 

Curious stuff to think about. Thank you again. 

G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Stanley Halpin]

Long ago and far away (specifically, Northern Italy, 2007) I took a drive from 
our B lodging around Lago Garda, a beautiful region favored as a vacation 
spot since the Middle Ages if not earlier. Several small fishing villages 
around the lake. I of course stopped at every village and took shots of the 
fishing boats and other boats in the marinas & dock areas.

Two weeks later, back home, scrolling through the images on my computer, I kept 
thinking to myself: “Self, where were you when you took that photo? Which 
village was it? How can I properly caption the image if I don’t know the name 
of the village!”

That’s why I bought a Garmin and used that to track my location until cameras 
started to provide GPS tracking directly or via the O-1. 
Most recently, yesterday I was working on a re-cap of our trip to the Norwegian 
coast last March. Our published itinerary often did not agree with what/where 
actually happened. Weather, ship propulsion issues, etc. The embedded GPS in 
the metadata was hugely helpful!



Stan

> On Jan 21, 2024, at 6:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
> need GPS location information in our photographs? 
> 
> Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I 
> don't know why I'd want it. 
> I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
> the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
> location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
> haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. 
> 
> G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Henk Terhell]

I keep the GPS of my K-1 always on so I don't forget to switch it on.
How much faster this drains my battery, I have no idea.
After a day trip I take the SD card out and also recharge the battery.
Almost never need a spare battery.

Henk

Op 2024-01-22 om 12:04 schreef Bob W PDML:

I can see the value of it even if it’s something that I don’t have much need 
for personally.

To me it would be quite useful sometimes for a camera to connect automatically 
(ie without all the ridiculous faff of camera WiFi connections) using Bluetooth 
or Ant+ or something similar to external devices which have GPS, such as a 
phone, smartwatch or Garmin bike device. So when you press the shutter it can 
just write the current position and time into the image file. I imagine that 
would be less of a drain on the battery than keeping a built-in GPS active.


On 21 Jan 2024, at 23:08, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Bob W PDML]

I can see the value of it even if it’s something that I don’t have much need 
for personally.

To me it would be quite useful sometimes for a camera to connect automatically 
(ie without all the ridiculous faff of camera WiFi connections) using Bluetooth 
or Ant+ or something similar to external devices which have GPS, such as a 
phone, smartwatch or Garmin bike device. So when you press the shutter it can 
just write the current position and time into the image file. I imagine that 
would be less of a drain on the battery than keeping a built-in GPS active.

> On 21 Jan 2024, at 23:08, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
> need GPS location information in our photographs?
> 
> Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I 
> don't know why I'd want it.
> I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
> the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
> location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
> haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years.
> 
> G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 22.01.24 um 00:08 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:

S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs?


Now, that's an easy one...

Whenever I'm looking for a photo of a particular place or subject to 
accompany one of my blog posts, I can do so using the GPS data. Michael 
has written me a clever little utility that will display a map where I 
can zoom into the wanted area and it will show me the thumbnails of all 
photos taken there. Makes my life a whole lot easier.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Henk Terhell]

Well, it is like many other features of a good versatile camera  as weather 
resistance, good AF, tilt screen etc.
I do appreciate these out in the field where I frequently have to sit on my 
knees.
It all depends on the type of photography you are in.

Henk


Van: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
Verzonden: maandag 22 januari 2024 00:08
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Onderwerp: Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs?

Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't 
know why I'd want it.
I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years.

G
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