Re: OT: Is the UK Imploding?
On 20/11/18, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: >Interesting to note that the clown who was its architect went to some of >the most renowned (and expensive) educational establishments in the world. Criminal! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is the UK Imploding?
It goes beyond that, although you're correct. As Cotty said, we live in a representative democracy. We vote for these people to represent our views, so for them to call a referendum is an abdication of responsibility - it's their job to make decisions, and to make them in the best interests of _all_ their constituents, not just the ones who voted for them. This is why it is never a wasted vote, even if your preferred candidate doesn't stand a chance of winning - your voice should be heard. > On 20 Nov 2018, at 15:13, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Referenda are also too simplistic. If put up for votes, the people > would cut taxes in half and double government spending. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > >> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 6:06 AM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> >>> Am 20.11.18 um 11:06 schrieb Steve Cottrell: >>> >>> We should never have had the referendum in the first place. Absurd in a >> parliamentary democracy. >> >> This whole mess goes a long way in explaining why right-wing populists >> all across Europe are calling for referendums as a general means of >> "giving people a vote". >> >> From Brexit to minaret bans and the abolition of the radio license fee >> as a means of reigning in the "lying" public media "infested by >> left-wing ideas", no good comes from them. >> >> Ralf >> >> the directions. >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is the UK Imploding?
> On 20 November 2018 at 10:06 Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > On 19/11/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >if there's another referendum > > Not a chance. > > If there were, I think we would see civil disorder on or above the scale of > the poll tax riots. > > We should never have had the referendum in the first place. Absurd in a > parliamentary democracy. Interesting to note that the clown who was its architect went to some of the most renowned (and expensive) educational establishments in the world. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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After the politicians, the corporate grandees > On 20 November 2018 at 08:32 Bob W-PDML wrote: > > > I'm fully prepared to compromise just as soon as we've finished hanging the > ring-leaders. > > > On 20 Nov 2018, at 00:24, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > > > Tell us what you really think Bob; don't hold back. > > > > I read the BBC online, the Economist on paper and online, and other British > > media online. It is the very passion and venom that I was finding there > > that led me to this post. I can understand, and to some extent appreciate, > > the points of view of both sides. I am troubled most by the fact that it > > seems compromise has become as loathsome a concept to many in Britain as it > > is to much of the US. > > > > Dan Matyola > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Bob W-PDML wrote: > >> > >> > >> Well, if you can bear it take a look at the Brexit-related comments on > >> some of the BBC forums - I'm sure weather forums are not like that. The > >> whole thing is a collective descent into madness. There is no reasoned > >> discussion, and the reason the Leave won and Remain lost is that Leave > >> played on the emotional aspects of it all, while Leave tried to play to > >> reason. But it is not an issue where reason really matters for most people > >> - I for one am pro-Europe by emotion at least as much as I am by reason. > >> What it means is that the arguments are simply playground mud-slinging and > >> very tiresome once you're past the initial entertainment of it all. > >> > >> The problem is, if there's another referendum and Remain wins, the Leave > >> camp will never shut up, they will beaver away obsessively just as they did > >> after the 1974 referendum, with their lies and prejudices and bigotry. If > >> Leave win I suspect Remain will accept that the war is over and the bad > >> guys won. I did march in favour of another referendum a couple of weeks > >> ago, with 700,000 others - I don't think we'll get one, but I think it's > >> important to make our voice heard because there is a real slide towards > >> tyranny of the majority, and the notion of winner takes all, even though > >> the Leave majority was less than 4%. It's a very worrying slide. > >> > >> The other thing is that if we do indeed leave it will be the leave voters > >> who suffer from the economic consequences, not the leaders of the Leave > >> movement, who are feathering their own nests and intend to strip the > >> workers of their rights as soon as they get the chance, or the middle-class > >> oldies like me. They are robber barons of the worst sort, lying, conniving > >> little shits who've used people to further their own interests. I'm a > >> mild-mannered sort of chap, but I'd to see the whole fucking lot of them > >> hanging from lampposts in Parliament Square. In the name of tolerance and > >> democracy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is the UK Imploding?
So I guess that explains California. On 11/20/2018 10:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Referenda are also too simplistic. If put up for votes, the people would cut taxes in half and double government spending. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 6:06 AM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 20.11.18 um 11:06 schrieb Steve Cottrell: We should never have had the referendum in the first place. Absurd in a parliamentary democracy. This whole mess goes a long way in explaining why right-wing populists all across Europe are calling for referendums as a general means of "giving people a vote". From Brexit to minaret bans and the abolition of the radio license fee as a means of reigning in the "lying" public media "infested by left-wing ideas", no good comes from them. Ralf the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Referenda are also too simplistic. If put up for votes, the people would cut taxes in half and double government spending. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 6:06 AM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 20.11.18 um 11:06 schrieb Steve Cottrell: > > > We should never have had the referendum in the first place. Absurd in a > parliamentary democracy. > > This whole mess goes a long way in explaining why right-wing populists > all across Europe are calling for referendums as a general means of > "giving people a vote". > > From Brexit to minaret bans and the abolition of the radio license fee > as a means of reigning in the "lying" public media "infested by > left-wing ideas", no good comes from them. > > Ralf > > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You certainly are entitled to have strong feelings about what is happening in your country, Bob. I have very strong feelings about the current situation in my country. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 3:32 AM Bob W-PDML wrote: > I'm fully prepared to compromise just as soon as we've finished hanging > the ring-leaders. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 20.11.18 um 11:06 schrieb Steve Cottrell: We should never have had the referendum in the first place. Absurd in a parliamentary democracy. This whole mess goes a long way in explaining why right-wing populists all across Europe are calling for referendums as a general means of "giving people a vote". From Brexit to minaret bans and the abolition of the radio license fee as a means of reigning in the "lying" public media "infested by left-wing ideas", no good comes from them. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/11/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: >if there's another referendum Not a chance. If there were, I think we would see civil disorder on or above the scale of the poll tax riots. We should never have had the referendum in the first place. Absurd in a parliamentary democracy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/11/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: > I'm a mild-mannered sort of chap, but I'd to see the whole fucking lot >of them hanging from lampposts in Parliament Square. In the name of >tolerance and democracy. Vivre la revolution!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with everything Bob says. Chris On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 23:03 Bob W-PDML > > On 19 Nov 2018, at 11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > > On 18/11/18, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >> I am not inviting a political debate or discussion, but from this side > of > >> the pond, it appears that the political system of the UK i coming apart > at > >> the seams over Brexit. I'm certain it is stressful and discomforting > for > >> everyone over there. > >> > >> Being a Brit these days must be almost as uncomfortable as being a > devotee > >> of a camera brand that is being deserted by the company that now owns > the > >> brand, > > > > Haha. Yep we're all just stopping in our tracks and imploding on the > sidewalks. The mess is bearable as long as you've got surgical gowns on. > > > > Everyone is just going about their daily business and nothing has > changed. The future will prove interesting for us - there will doubtless be > a general election announced in the coming days - Theresa May will not be > able to get her Brexit bill through parliament, kicking off no-confidence > vote, and leading to the inevitable. What happens then is anyone's guess. > > > > We're British - we're more interested in the weather. > > > > Well, if you can bear it take a look at the Brexit-related comments on > some of the BBC forums - I'm sure weather forums are not like that. The > whole thing is a collective descent into madness. There is no reasoned > discussion, and the reason the Leave won and Remain lost is that Leave > played on the emotional aspects of it all, while Leave tried to play to > reason. But it is not an issue where reason really matters for most people > - I for one am pro-Europe by emotion at least as much as I am by reason. > What it means is that the arguments are simply playground mud-slinging and > very tiresome once you're past the initial entertainment of it all. > > The problem is, if there's another referendum and Remain wins, the Leave > camp will never shut up, they will beaver away obsessively just as they did > after the 1974 referendum, with their lies and prejudices and bigotry. If > Leave win I suspect Remain will accept that the war is over and the bad > guys won. I did march in favour of another referendum a couple of weeks > ago, with 700,000 others - I don't think we'll get one, but I think it's > important to make our voice heard because there is a real slide towards > tyranny of the majority, and the notion of winner takes all, even though > the Leave majority was less than 4%. It's a very worrying slide. > > The other thing is that if we do indeed leave it will be the leave voters > who suffer from the economic consequences, not the leaders of the Leave > movement, who are feathering their own nests and intend to strip the > workers of their rights as soon as they get the chance, or the middle-class > oldies like me. They are robber barons of the worst sort, lying, conniving > little shits who've used people to further their own interests. I'm a > mild-mannered sort of chap, but I'd to see the whole fucking lot of them > hanging from lampposts in Parliament Square. In the name of tolerance and > democracy. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm fully prepared to compromise just as soon as we've finished hanging the ring-leaders. > On 20 Nov 2018, at 00:24, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Tell us what you really think Bob; don't hold back. > > I read the BBC online, the Economist on paper and online, and other British > media online. It is the very passion and venom that I was finding there > that led me to this post. I can understand, and to some extent appreciate, > the points of view of both sides. I am troubled most by the fact that it > seems compromise has become as loathsome a concept to many in Britain as it > is to much of the US. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Bob W-PDML wrote: >> >> >> Well, if you can bear it take a look at the Brexit-related comments on >> some of the BBC forums - I'm sure weather forums are not like that. The >> whole thing is a collective descent into madness. There is no reasoned >> discussion, and the reason the Leave won and Remain lost is that Leave >> played on the emotional aspects of it all, while Leave tried to play to >> reason. But it is not an issue where reason really matters for most people >> - I for one am pro-Europe by emotion at least as much as I am by reason. >> What it means is that the arguments are simply playground mud-slinging and >> very tiresome once you're past the initial entertainment of it all. >> >> The problem is, if there's another referendum and Remain wins, the Leave >> camp will never shut up, they will beaver away obsessively just as they did >> after the 1974 referendum, with their lies and prejudices and bigotry. If >> Leave win I suspect Remain will accept that the war is over and the bad >> guys won. I did march in favour of another referendum a couple of weeks >> ago, with 700,000 others - I don't think we'll get one, but I think it's >> important to make our voice heard because there is a real slide towards >> tyranny of the majority, and the notion of winner takes all, even though >> the Leave majority was less than 4%. It's a very worrying slide. >> >> The other thing is that if we do indeed leave it will be the leave voters >> who suffer from the economic consequences, not the leaders of the Leave >> movement, who are feathering their own nests and intend to strip the >> workers of their rights as soon as they get the chance, or the middle-class >> oldies like me. They are robber barons of the worst sort, lying, conniving >> little shits who've used people to further their own interests. I'm a >> mild-mannered sort of chap, but I'd to see the whole fucking lot of them >> hanging from lampposts in Parliament Square. In the name of tolerance and >> democracy. >> >> > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is the UK Imploding?
Tell us what you really think Bob; don't hold back. I read the BBC online, the Economist on paper and online, and other British media online. It is the very passion and venom that I was finding there that led me to this post. I can understand, and to some extent appreciate, the points of view of both sides. I am troubled most by the fact that it seems compromise has become as loathsome a concept to many in Britain as it is to much of the US. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Bob W-PDML wrote: > > Well, if you can bear it take a look at the Brexit-related comments on > some of the BBC forums - I'm sure weather forums are not like that. The > whole thing is a collective descent into madness. There is no reasoned > discussion, and the reason the Leave won and Remain lost is that Leave > played on the emotional aspects of it all, while Leave tried to play to > reason. But it is not an issue where reason really matters for most people > - I for one am pro-Europe by emotion at least as much as I am by reason. > What it means is that the arguments are simply playground mud-slinging and > very tiresome once you're past the initial entertainment of it all. > > The problem is, if there's another referendum and Remain wins, the Leave > camp will never shut up, they will beaver away obsessively just as they did > after the 1974 referendum, with their lies and prejudices and bigotry. If > Leave win I suspect Remain will accept that the war is over and the bad > guys won. I did march in favour of another referendum a couple of weeks > ago, with 700,000 others - I don't think we'll get one, but I think it's > important to make our voice heard because there is a real slide towards > tyranny of the majority, and the notion of winner takes all, even though > the Leave majority was less than 4%. It's a very worrying slide. > > The other thing is that if we do indeed leave it will be the leave voters > who suffer from the economic consequences, not the leaders of the Leave > movement, who are feathering their own nests and intend to strip the > workers of their rights as soon as they get the chance, or the middle-class > oldies like me. They are robber barons of the worst sort, lying, conniving > little shits who've used people to further their own interests. I'm a > mild-mannered sort of chap, but I'd to see the whole fucking lot of them > hanging from lampposts in Parliament Square. In the name of tolerance and > democracy. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 19 Nov 2018, at 11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 18/11/18, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I am not inviting a political debate or discussion, but from this side of >> the pond, it appears that the political system of the UK i coming apart at >> the seams over Brexit. I'm certain it is stressful and discomforting for >> everyone over there. >> >> Being a Brit these days must be almost as uncomfortable as being a devotee >> of a camera brand that is being deserted by the company that now owns the >> brand, > > Haha. Yep we're all just stopping in our tracks and imploding on the > sidewalks. The mess is bearable as long as you've got surgical gowns on. > > Everyone is just going about their daily business and nothing has changed. > The future will prove interesting for us - there will doubtless be a general > election announced in the coming days - Theresa May will not be able to get > her Brexit bill through parliament, kicking off no-confidence vote, and > leading to the inevitable. What happens then is anyone's guess. > > We're British - we're more interested in the weather. > Well, if you can bear it take a look at the Brexit-related comments on some of the BBC forums - I'm sure weather forums are not like that. The whole thing is a collective descent into madness. There is no reasoned discussion, and the reason the Leave won and Remain lost is that Leave played on the emotional aspects of it all, while Leave tried to play to reason. But it is not an issue where reason really matters for most people - I for one am pro-Europe by emotion at least as much as I am by reason. What it means is that the arguments are simply playground mud-slinging and very tiresome once you're past the initial entertainment of it all. The problem is, if there's another referendum and Remain wins, the Leave camp will never shut up, they will beaver away obsessively just as they did after the 1974 referendum, with their lies and prejudices and bigotry. If Leave win I suspect Remain will accept that the war is over and the bad guys won. I did march in favour of another referendum a couple of weeks ago, with 700,000 others - I don't think we'll get one, but I think it's important to make our voice heard because there is a real slide towards tyranny of the majority, and the notion of winner takes all, even though the Leave majority was less than 4%. It's a very worrying slide. The other thing is that if we do indeed leave it will be the leave voters who suffer from the economic consequences, not the leaders of the Leave movement, who are feathering their own nests and intend to strip the workers of their rights as soon as they get the chance, or the middle-class oldies like me. They are robber barons of the worst sort, lying, conniving little shits who've used people to further their own interests. I'm a mild-mannered sort of chap, but I'd to see the whole fucking lot of them hanging from lampposts in Parliament Square. In the name of tolerance and democracy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is the UK Imploding?
On 19/11/18, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: >I visited London once in February, and was surprised how mild the weather >. There were quite a few flowers blooming in window boxes near Kew Gardens >and around Greenwich. Generally speaking we have mild, wet winters and mild, wet summers! Haha, that said, as an island, we are heavily influenced by the Atlantic Ocean. We have a warm water flow up from the Caribbean called the 'Atlantic Conveyor' that means the water that reaches our western shores is not cold. This generally keeps temps up. The northern jet stream borders the UK usually, with cold Arctic air to the north of it and milder air to the south. A series of Atlantic low pressure systems generally follows the jet stream and means we can get mild and wet south-westerlies alternating with cold northerlies. Sometimes the jet stream goes a bit north and we get the mild air for a while. When the jet is south of us, we're all sitting in front of the fire :-) Sometimes a big blocking high pressure develops over Scandinavia and keeps all the lows at bay - at a cost: the wind swings in from the east and we are blasted with Putin's best ice cold air. But that will move after a week or two and we're back to westerlies again. That's why we don't actually have a climate in the UK - we just have weather :-) I could go on -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I visited London once in February, and was surprised how mild the weather . There were quite a few flowers blooming in window boxes near Kew Gardens and around Greenwich. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 6:57 AM Steve Cottrell wrote: > > We're British - we're more interested in the weather. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/11/18, Henk Terhell, discombobulated, unleashed: >> We're British - we're more interested in the weather. >> >You mean at Costa Brava? In our own navels :-D -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op 2018-11-19 om 12:56 schreef Steve Cottrell: We're British - we're more interested in the weather. You mean at Costa Brava? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/11/18, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: >I am not inviting a political debate or discussion, but from this side of >the pond, it appears that the political system of the UK i coming apart at >the seams over Brexit. I'm certain it is stressful and discomforting for >everyone over there. > >Being a Brit these days must be almost as uncomfortable as being a devotee >of a camera brand that is being deserted by the company that now owns the >brand, Haha. Yep we're all just stopping in our tracks and imploding on the sidewalks. The mess is bearable as long as you've got surgical gowns on. Everyone is just going about their daily business and nothing has changed. The future will prove interesting for us - there will doubtless be a general election announced in the coming days - Theresa May will not be able to get her Brexit bill through parliament, kicking off no-confidence vote, and leading to the inevitable. What happens then is anyone's guess. We're British - we're more interested in the weather. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Both are self inflicted wounds. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:11 PM PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com < jefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com> wrote: > Sounds almost like the US as well. > > Jeffery Johnson | Photo Captures by Jeffery > https://www.PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com > /Diverse range of photography Artistic - Animals - Events/Festivals - > Transportation - Pets - Nature - Scenic - Cityscape. Adorn home, office > and business with high-quality canvas wraps, metals, photographic art, > and framed/unframed prints. / > On 11/18/2018 7:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > I am not inviting a political debate or discussion, but from this side of > > the pond, it appears that the political system of the UK i coming apart > at > > the seams over Brexit. I'm certain it is stressful and discomforting for > > everyone over there. > > > > Being a Brit these days must be almost as uncomfortable as being a > devotee > > of a camera brand that is being deserted by the company that now owns the > > brand, > > > > Dan Matyola > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sounds almost like the US as well. Jeffery Johnson | Photo Captures by Jeffery https://www.PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com /Diverse range of photography Artistic - Animals - Events/Festivals - Transportation - Pets - Nature - Scenic - Cityscape. Adorn home, office and business with high-quality canvas wraps, metals, photographic art, and framed/unframed prints. / On 11/18/2018 7:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I am not inviting a political debate or discussion, but from this side of the pond, it appears that the political system of the UK i coming apart at the seams over Brexit. I'm certain it is stressful and discomforting for everyone over there. Being a Brit these days must be almost as uncomfortable as being a devotee of a camera brand that is being deserted by the company that now owns the brand, Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Is the UK Imploding?
I am not inviting a political debate or discussion, but from this side of the pond, it appears that the political system of the UK i coming apart at the seams over Brexit. I'm certain it is stressful and discomforting for everyone over there. Being a Brit these days must be almost as uncomfortable as being a devotee of a camera brand that is being deserted by the company that now owns the brand, Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
