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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-27 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 26/3/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>ChronoSync

Oh my



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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Larry Colen




Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Rick,

I agree with Bruce: just start a new backup, keep the older one for retrieval 
of older, archived files. A 2T drive is like $100 nowadays, buy a new drive to 
be your primary external drive.


I think I just bought a 4T external for $125.



The Time Machine backup is a very complex layering of files and other 
information. It wasn't designed to be copied or manually manipulated. Use it 
the way it was intended and it works perfectly, try to use it other ways and 
you run into problems. I advise you to use it the way it was intended to be 
used.

I just recently cloned a 2T backup onto a 4T new volume, none of it a backup 
repository. All kinds of odd file names. No problems at all with Sierra. I did 
the same with Mavericks and El Capitan when I was running them. Use the system 
the way it was intended, not the way you feel it ought to be used and it will 
work perfectly. TM Backup drives were not intended to be copied manually, 
that's all.

G



On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

However, in my case the old backup drive (2TB) is becoming my new primary 
external drive; and I have a new 4TB drive for backups. So I need to copy the 
files.




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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Good to hear that you've got it running properly. 

I use "SuperDuper!" too, it's an invaluable tool, but only for cloning volumes. 
Unfortunately, when it clones bootable volumes, it does not clone the hidden 
'startup volume' that allows re-installation of macOS, so I usually run a macOS 
reinstall after I've created a cloned bootable volume—the macOS reinstall 
recreates the hidden startup volume. 

Time Machine maintains my system and personal files incrementally, the way I 
want them to for day to day use, and Time Machine volumes allow me to use the 
Migration Assistant if I want to clone a system's accounts onto a newly 
formatted volume with a fresh macOS installation. 

I don't use either for my photography files. I use Econ Technology's excellent 
ChronoSync utility app to backup and synchronize my Lightroom catalogs and 
working drive contents with two archive repository volumes. It is the most 
efficient and recoverable backup system I've found that keeps files completely 
accessible and manually manipulable with the Finder and Terminal. I've been 
using it since 2004 and it has never missed a beat. One of the huge benefits to 
using ChronoSync to copy HUGE numbers of files from one volume to another is 
that you can turn on verbose logging and review every single file copy or 
deletion it performed in a session, and you can schedule it to operate 
automatically and unattended as well. It gives you the ability to stop a big 
copy operation in the middle and resume it again without missing anything or 
repeating the transfer of all the earlier files. Recent versions also create 
and maintain bootable volumes, but I haven't used that facility with it just 
yet. HIGHLY recommended! 

  https://www.econtechnologies.com/chronosync/overview.html

enjoy,
G

> On Mar 26, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Godfrey and Cotty.  
> 
> After resetting the PRAM and rebuilding disk permissions, the transfer is now 
> proceeding smoothly. Only 12 of 16 total hours to go!
> 
> Cotty, I’ve used Carbon Copy Cloner on my work computer, and it has done 
> well. I’ll give Super Duper a look. Once the files on my 1TB photo drive are 
> transferred to my 2TB drive, methinks I will use CCC or SD to make a copy of 
> the photo drive.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
> 
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> In case this is of any use, I don't use Time Machine, instead preferring
>> the manual control of Shirt Pocket's 'SuperDuper!'
>> 
>> It's the dumbest name ever for a piece of software that is in fact one
>> of the best methods to manually backup a hard drive. It is very well
>> supported with updated versions released regularly and the modest price
>> makes it attractive.
>> 
>> It doesn't do what Time Machine does, but it does mean that backup space
>> is more realistic, IMO.
>> 
>> It basically clones a hard drive, but from that point on, whenever it is
>> run, it will assess the drive to be backed up, and the target drive, and
>> delete and copy across only those files that have changed since last backup.
>> 
>> I have used it for years and never had an issue. Always found it easy to
>> use, and has worked when I needed it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> HTH and YMMV!

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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Rick Womer

Thanks, Godfrey and Cotty.  

After resetting the PRAM and rebuilding disk permissions, the transfer is now 
proceeding smoothly. Only 12 of 16 total hours to go!

Cotty, I’ve used Carbon Copy Cloner on my work computer, and it has done well. 
I’ll give Super Duper a look. Once the files on my 1TB photo drive are 
transferred to my 2TB drive, methinks I will use CCC or SD to make a copy of 
the photo drive.

Cheers,

Rick

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> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Rick
> 
> In case this is of any use, I don't use Time Machine, instead preferring
> the manual control of Shirt Pocket's 'SuperDuper!'
> 
> It's the dumbest name ever for a piece of software that is in fact one
> of the best methods to manually backup a hard drive. It is very well
> supported with updated versions released regularly and the modest price
> makes it attractive.
> 
> It doesn't do what Time Machine does, but it does mean that backup space
> is more realistic, IMO.
> 
> It basically clones a hard drive, but from that point on, whenever it is
> run, it will assess the drive to be backed up, and the target drive, and
> delete and copy across only those files that have changed since last backup.
> 
> I have used it for years and never had an issue. Always found it easy to
> use, and has worked when I needed it.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH and YMMV!
> 
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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Steve Cottrell

Rick

In case this is of any use, I don't use Time Machine, instead preferring
the manual control of Shirt Pocket's 'SuperDuper!'

It's the dumbest name ever for a piece of software that is in fact one
of the best methods to manually backup a hard drive. It is very well
supported with updated versions released regularly and the modest price
makes it attractive.

It doesn't do what Time Machine does, but it does mean that backup space
is more realistic, IMO.

It basically clones a hard drive, but from that point on, whenever it is
run, it will assess the drive to be backed up, and the target drive, and
delete and copy across only those files that have changed since last backup.

I have used it for years and never had an issue. Always found it easy to
use, and has worked when I needed it.



HTH and YMMV!

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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Bob W-PDML

Use the system the way it was intended, not the way you feel it ought to be 
used and it will work perfectly.

I think I'll memorise that sentence and start using it at work.

B

On 26 Mar 2017, at 22:51, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:

Rick,

I agree with Bruce: just start a new backup, keep the older one for retrieval 
of older, archived files. A 2T drive is like $100 nowadays, buy a new drive to 
be your primary external drive.

The Time Machine backup is a very complex layering of files and other 
information. It wasn't designed to be copied or manually manipulated. Use it 
the way it was intended and it works perfectly, try to use it other ways and 
you run into problems. I advise you to use it the way it was intended to be 
used.

I just recently cloned a 2T backup onto a 4T new volume, none of it a backup 
repository. All kinds of odd file names. No problems at all with Sierra. I did 
the same with Mavericks and El Capitan when I was running them. Use the system 
the way it was intended, not the way you feel it ought to be used and it will 
work perfectly. TM Backup drives were not intended to be copied manually, 
that's all.

G

On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Rick Womer 
> wrote:

However, in my case the old backup drive (2TB) is becoming my new primary 
external drive; and I have a new 4TB drive for backups. So I need to copy the 
files.

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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Rick, 

I agree with Bruce: just start a new backup, keep the older one for retrieval 
of older, archived files. A 2T drive is like $100 nowadays, buy a new drive to 
be your primary external drive. 

The Time Machine backup is a very complex layering of files and other 
information. It wasn't designed to be copied or manually manipulated. Use it 
the way it was intended and it works perfectly, try to use it other ways and 
you run into problems. I advise you to use it the way it was intended to be 
used. 

I just recently cloned a 2T backup onto a 4T new volume, none of it a backup 
repository. All kinds of odd file names. No problems at all with Sierra. I did 
the same with Mavericks and El Capitan when I was running them. Use the system 
the way it was intended, not the way you feel it ought to be used and it will 
work perfectly. TM Backup drives were not intended to be copied manually, 
that's all. 

G

> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> However, in my case the old backup drive (2TB) is becoming my new primary 
> external drive; and I have a new 4TB drive for backups. So I need to copy the 
> files.

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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Rick Womer

Thanks, Bruce.

However, in my case the old backup drive (2TB) is becoming my new primary 
external drive; and I have a new 4TB drive for backups. So I need to copy the 
files.

Rick 


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> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Rick, an alternate suggestion. When I bought a larger Time Machine
> backup drive I just unhooked the older one and started new backups
> with the newer drive. If I ever need to recover older files, there's a
> simple way to remount the older disk and have TM search it too. So now
> I have backups going back a few years as well as scads of room for new
> ones.
> 
> BTW, if I really needed to locate and rename funky older files I'd us
> the find(1) command from the Terminal. find(1) supports regular
> expressions so you can easily locate files with those specific symbols
> in. It would take hours or a day to search an entire huge drive
> though, so you'd want to redirect output to a text file.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> I have El Capitan running now. I tried to transfer my Time Machine backup to 
>> a new, larger disk, and after a few hours of grinding things came to a halt 
>> with “Error Code -43,” saying that some files could not be found.
>> 
>> Snooping around on line, I learned that symbols in file names (e.g. %, #, &, 
>> etc.) choke El Capitan, and that Apple never patched this problem. With >2 
>> million files, one can’t find and correct the offending file names.
>> 
>> I tried copying via the Terminal interface, but couldn’t get it to work.
>> 
>> So the question: Can one copy a Time Machine backup (or other large set of 
>> files) in Sierra without it choking?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

2017-03-26 Thread Bruce Walker

Rick, an alternate suggestion. When I bought a larger Time Machine
backup drive I just unhooked the older one and started new backups
with the newer drive. If I ever need to recover older files, there's a
simple way to remount the older disk and have TM search it too. So now
I have backups going back a few years as well as scads of room for new
ones.

BTW, if I really needed to locate and rename funky older files I'd us
the find(1) command from the Terminal. find(1) supports regular
expressions so you can easily locate files with those specific symbols
in. It would take hours or a day to search an entire huge drive
though, so you'd want to redirect output to a text file.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> I have El Capitan running now. I tried to transfer my Time Machine backup to 
> a new, larger disk, and after a few hours of grinding things came to a halt 
> with “Error Code -43,” saying that some files could not be found.
>
> Snooping around on line, I learned that symbols in file names (e.g. %, #, &, 
> etc.) choke El Capitan, and that Apple never patched this problem. With >2 
> million files, one can’t find and correct the offending file names.
>
> I tried copying via the Terminal interface, but couldn’t get it to work.
>
> So the question: Can one copy a Time Machine backup (or other large set of 
> files) in Sierra without it choking?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
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