RE: Recapitulation

2002-10-10 Thread Davies, Daniel
I think that the thread on unemployment data was very useful if you can filter out the unnecessary nastiness. Whether the United States or Canada has the best statistical agencies, I leave to others. I cheerfully admit that I have never really had any interaction with Statistic Canada other

Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-10 Thread Chris Burford
At 09/10/02 08:54 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: Chris Burford: What I read however is from my point of view a rehearsal of assertions about who is more marxist than whom and who is more revolutionary than whom. Perhaps it would help if you stopped using the name of Marx or Engels in a kind of

Chinese manufacturing exerts deflationary pressure

2002-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
WSJ, Oct. 10, 2002 Surge in Exports From China Gives a Jolt to Global Industry By KARBY LEGGETT and PETER WONACOTT Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL When Philips Electronics NV began prospecting for opportunities in China in the early 1980s, the Dutch company adopted the hot strategy

The New York Times, Salon, Enron and Me

2002-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, Oct. 4, 2002 Web Article Is Removed; Flaws Cited By DAVID CARR The online magazine Salon has removed an article charging Thomas E. White, secretary of the Army, with participating in accounting practices that led to the collapse of Enron while he was vice chairman of Enron Energy

Bush, Harken and Harvard

2002-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Boston Globe, 10/9/2002 Harvard role in Harken called deeper Group says partnership kept Bush firm afloat By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff WASHINGTON - Harvard University's financial relationship with President Bush's former oil company was deeper than previously understood, with the

RE: Re: RE: Whither ecological economics?

2002-10-10 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31195] Re: RE: Whither ecological economics? It's too bad you signed off. Sustainability is something that pen-l has discussed in the past and will discuss in the future. Pen-l is like the weather in Chicago: if you don't like the weather, wait a bit.

Re: Western Rationality

2002-10-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 2:41 PM + 10/9/02, Carl Remick wrote: How does scientific study do this by its nature? Because scientific study requires that you rule out all variables not having to do explicitly with the subject being investigated. You can't study everything at the same time, so you would have to

[Fwd: Suicide Voters]

2002-10-10 Thread ravi
Original Message http://abc.net.au/health/minutes/stories/s698150.htm An Australian study of suicide over the last century has found significantly increased rates when conservative governments have been in power compared to Labor. They've taken into

Re: Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/8/02 6:11:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the assertion that the "bourgeoisie and the working class have nothing in common", I do not think that is true. There is a contradiction between the working class and the bourgeoisie. There is both

RE: The New York Times, Salon, Enron and Me

2002-10-10 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31203] The New York Times, Salon, Enron and Me Carr may be a sleaze (for all I know), as suggested by the second article below, but the first article is a straight reporting job. I can't find anything wrong with it. It's not trashing Salon or Krugman as much as reporting on

Re: RE: The New York Times, Salon, Enron and Me

2002-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Carr may be a sleaze (for all I know), as suggested by the second article below, but the first article is a straight reporting job. I can't find anything wrong with it. It's not trashing Salon or Krugman as much as reporting on the article being pulled. Jim Devine

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: employment

2002-10-10 Thread topp8564
On 10/10/2002 1:54 AM, Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thiago Oppermann: Wouldn't the quality of unemployment also be relevant? A rate of 1% where the unemployed end up indentured to credit companies might be a lot worse than 5% if they are free to enjoy productive unemployment.

Query on Re: Forwarded from David Altman (Chaplin)

2002-10-10 Thread Carrol Cox
I'm trying to remember. Was that conclusion of _The Great Dictator_ the first words Chaplin ever spoke on screen -- or were there some spoken words in _Modern Times_? Carrol

Re: Query on Re: Forwarded from David Altman (Chaplin)

2002-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
I'm trying to remember. Was that conclusion of _The Great Dictator_ the first words Chaplin ever spoke on screen -- or were there some spoken words in _Modern Times_? Carrol The only sound in Modern Times was the song Smile, which was written by Chaplin. Louis Proyect www.marxmail.org

email hoax: Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT]

2002-10-10 Thread Robert Naiman
this is an email hoax: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html -b At 06:03 PM 10/9/2002 -1000, Ralph Johansen wrote: - Original Message - From: William Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:24 PM Subject:

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Western Rationality

2002-10-10 Thread Carl Remick
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joanna writes: A critique of the development of science under capitalism would take much more than an email. Suffice it to say that what we refer to as SCIENCE today is a specific historical form suffering from specific historical deformations. I leave it

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Western Rationality

2002-10-10 Thread joanna bujes
At 05:12 PM 10/10/2002 +, you wrote: Again, I believe it's the nature of science itself -- not just the corruptive effects of capitalism -- that so often causes technology to have a destructive, dehumanizing impact on society. The ever increasing specialization of scientific knowledge

Re: [Fwd: Suicide Voters]

2002-10-10 Thread lisa stolarski
Wow. This is interesting. Really interesting. Lisa on 10/10/2002 10:38 AM, ravi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message http://abc.net.au/health/minutes/stories/s698150.htm An Australian study of suicide over the last century has found significantly increased

RE: employment

2002-10-10 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: employment Thiago writes: there also is an issue here about what it means to be unemployed these days. It doesn't necessarily mean one is not working: here in Oz we have these hare- brained and politically expedient work-for-the-dole schemes; there are also whole communities

RE: Western Rationality

2002-10-10 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: Western Rationality Joanna wrote: A critique of the development of science under capitalism would take much more than an email. Suffice it to say that what we refer to as SCIENCE today is a specific historical form suffering from specific historical deformations. I leave it to

Melvin Scores for Contemporary Marxism.

2002-10-10 Thread lisa stolarski
Title: Melvin Scores for Contemporary Marxism. Melvin...I am cheering inside. You have made my day, perhaps my week, perhaps my year because you are so right on! I have thought this through myself and have not had the time to write it down, but the essence of what you say is the way the world

German banks protest too much

2002-10-10 Thread Chris Burford
From Thursday's Financial Times Senior German finance officials yesterday sought to reassure investors over the health of the country's financial sector, but failed fully to calm nervousness over the state of the beleaguered industry. The sector's fragility was underlined by a downgrade

Re: RE: employment

2002-10-10 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: Thiago writes: there also is an issue here about what it means to be unemployed these days. It doesn't necessarily mean one is not working: [clip] I think it's useful to keep unemployment _per se_ (as with the official definitions) separate from these

mucking

2002-10-10 Thread Devine, James
Title: mucking I don't remember who sent the e-mail message, but it stuck in my head. Someone made an off-hand remark about two pen-l participants (Doug and myself, seemingly) who mucked up the list or some such. I know that Doug had a fit of anger, but I did no such thing. I'd like to know

Re: Melvin Scores for Contemporary Marxism.

2002-10-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/10/02 3:15:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason the revolution is blocked is because technology and materialism alone do not drive qualitative changes in social organization. The leap is not entirely objective, we much apply creative

Re: Re: RE: employment

2002-10-10 Thread topp8564
I suppose that what interests me in this discussion is not the question of the political significance of the third digit right of the point, but rather that of the social role of different kinds of unemployment and near-unemployment. This fine-grain sociological picture is, in my decidedly

Re: mucking

2002-10-10 Thread lisa stolarski
Title: Re: [PEN-L:31223] mucking Oh my how you fellows amuse me (and gals, but to tell you the truth the fellows are the ones making a fuss). Let me tell you. I couldn't get off of the list when I tried, and you all are such a hoot I now eagerly await my next chunk of email. I personally am

Re: Re: RE: employment

2002-10-10 Thread lisa stolarski
Actually Carrol, I think in Melvin's theory the technically unemployed and under employed play a significant role in revolution. It was really fascinating, you should read it if you have not already. LS on 10/10/2002 7:34 PM, Carrol Cox at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devine, James wrote:

Re: [Fwd: Suicide Voters]

2002-10-10 Thread Michael Perelman
I know that suicide is associated with unemployment. How much of this reflects economic slowdowns and how much other aspects of conservative leadership. On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 10:38:56AM -0400, ravi wrote: Original Message

Re: Re: Re: RE: employment

2002-10-10 Thread Carrol Cox
lisa stolarski wrote: Actually Carrol, I think in Melvin's theory the technically unemployed and under employed play a significant role in revolution. It was really fascinating, you should read it if you have not already. Many sectors of the working class play (will play) a significant

Re: Re: Re: RE: employment

2002-10-10 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose that what interests me in this discussion is not the question of the political significance of the third digit right of the point, but rather that of the social role of different kinds of unemployment and near-unemployment. Correct! But that is

Re: Re: [Fwd: Suicide Voters]

2002-10-10 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: I know that suicide is associated with unemployment. How much of this reflects economic slowdowns and how much other aspects of conservative leadership. Another possibility yet: the kind of social and political conditions which bring about conservatives in

bubble report

2002-10-10 Thread Michael Perelman
Pros Start to Shed Real Estate, Fearing a Market Correction By RAY A. SMITH Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Some of the smart money is moving out of real estate. With stocks plunging, investors have poured billions of dollars into properties over the past year, gobbling up

Commerzbank redux

2002-10-10 Thread Ian Murray
Hunt is on for bank saboteur 'Manipulation' of Commerzbank shares under investigation Heather Stewart and John Hooper in Berlin Friday October 11, 2002 The Guardian A plot to sabotage the share price of Commerzbank is being investigated by financial watchdogs, Germany's third biggest listed

Re: Commerzbank redux

2002-10-10 Thread Chris Burford
At 10/10/02 21:37 -0700, Ian Murray wrote: Hunt is on for bank saboteur 'Manipulation' of Commerzbank shares under investigation Heather Stewart and John Hooper in Berlin Friday October 11, 2002 The Guardian A plot to sabotage the share price of Commerzbank is being investigated by financial