Re: Re: Re: Inflation and CPI

2002-07-08 Thread Doug Henwood
joanna bujes wrote: Private school tuition ranges from $8,000/year to $20,000/year...and it goes up every year. My alma mater is up to $34,030! That's nearly 2,300 hours of work at the average wage, twice as much as in 1973, when I was there. But do we know how much people really pay? Most

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-07 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: revealed preferences Who came up with that concept? Doug

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-07 Thread enilsson
Doug H wrote revealed preferences Who came up with that concept? Paul Samuelson. Background (from long-ago graduate school days). About 75% of the following is true. In the old days of neoclassical economics they made use of the notion of utility. Utility was generally seen to

Re: Re: RE: inflation (offlist)

2002-07-07 Thread joanna bujes
Thanks, that was very interesting. I need to think about it some more. Joanna At 12:18 AM 07/06/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have always considered inflation to be a *general* rise in the price level, rather than a rise in specific prices which feed into the CPI or, as we used to call it, the COL.

Re: Re: Re: inflation and cpi

2002-07-07 Thread enilsson
Joanna wrote re some economists not knowing enough details about CPI, etc: The question is, are they fools or knaves? Some of these are people who want to get ahead and, so, delve only deeply enough into some issue so that they can get published. If the profession doesn't deem something to be

Re: Re: Re: Inflation and CPI

2002-07-07 Thread enilsson
Doug wrote: . . .education, which they weight at 2.7% of spending ftp://146.142.4.23/pub/news.release/cpi.txt. In the CES for 2000, households spent 1.5% of after-tax income on education. These numbers seem low, but that's what they say. That does seem low. But, as oddly, the document

Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation and CPI

2002-07-07 Thread enilsson
Re the 2.7% average spending on education and childcare: I wonder the extent to which this is due to the use of household spending averages. Example: Beaver and family: $50,000 spending and $10,000 in education and childcare spending = 20 spending on ed/childcare%. 70 year old person (a

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation and CPI

2002-07-07 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27709] Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation and CPI also, a lot of the payment for education is in the form of taxes, and so doesn't show up in the CPI. (Does the CPI exclude sales taxes? even if it doesn't, it does exclude most other taxes.) Jd -Original Message- From

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Isn't that Samuelson's term? On Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 12:10:24PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: revealed preferences Who came up with that concept? Doug -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

Re: RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-07 Thread Michael Perelman
You have mere preferences; I have cultivated tastes. On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 03:35:39PM -0700, Devine, James wrote: I don't remember, what's the difference between tastes and preferences? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel.

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation and CPI

2002-07-07 Thread enilsson
Jim D. wrote, also, a lot of the payment for education is in the form of taxes, and so doesn't show up in the CPI. (Does the CPI exclude sales taxes? even if it doesn't, it does exclude most other taxes.) Only post-tax spending is included in the CPI. Public school spending, etc, does not

RE: Re: RE: inflation

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27656] Re: RE: inflation I wrote: at some point, economists decided on a conventional definition of inflation as referring only to increasing prices of newly-produced goods and services. Paul writes:I have always considered inflation to be a *general* rise in the price

RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27594] Re: Re: Inflation Eric wrote:The CPI likely has failed to take into account many declines in the quality of certain services and goods. While many economists have been interested in arguing (rightly in _some_ cases) that the CPI has sometimes failed to reflect quality

Re: RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-06 Thread enilsson
Jim wrote, I don't remember, what's the difference between tastes and preferences? Same thing except that preferences likely became common language after the presentation of the notion of revealed preferences in modern welfare economics. Tastes is just older language for the same thing.

Re: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-05 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doesn't this exchange confuse the increase in delay with total travel time? I. e. ignores an increase in distance traveled? Gene Coyle Bill Lear wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2002 at 14:06:16 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes: Help me out here Doug. Usually, I would be inclined to believe

Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-05 Thread Michael Perelman
I began with the distance to suggest that it should be a component of the rent. Doug's statistics on delays were useful since the increasing commutes lead to more congestion, causing more delays. On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 08:15:14AM -0700, Eugene Coyle wrote: Doesn't this exchange confuse the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Help me out here Doug. Usually, I would be inclined to believe Census figures over something from Texas, but Texas Transportation Institute. 2002. 2002 Urban Mobility Study http://mobility.tamu.edu/ums/ Congestion is growing in areas of every size. The 75 urban areas

Re: Re: Re: Re: Inflation/NYC transit

2002-07-05 Thread joanna bujes
At 02:06 PM 07/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: I am happy to hear about NY public transportation. NY may be unusual in that even moderately well to do people use it. Returned from NYC a few weeks ago and agree that NYC public transit is a miracle of convenience/dependability/efficiency. Prosit!