On 20/12/2002 11:17 AM, joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:07 PM 12/19/2002 +, you wrote:
The question is which nationality, race, group, or religion is next.
Mohammad Maljoo
The roundup is expected to intensify. By January 10, men from the following
countries must report
Feature - December 19, 2002
Marxist Utahpia
And you thought it was dead. Marxism is alive and well at the University of
Utah.
by Shane McCammon
http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2002/feat_2002-12-19.cfm
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The Washington Post reported a while ago that there has been a slump in the
market for $1 million plus McMansions in the DC area.
On a another topic, Jim Devine turned out to be wrong about Doonesbury on
Iraq. If you followed the episodes for a few more days it turns out that
the Iraqi plant
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Martin writes:
On a another topic, Jim Devine turned out to be wrong about Doonesbury
on Iraq. If you followed the episodes for a few more days it turns out
that the Iraqi plant manager is telling the truth,
Louis Proyect wrote,
It is astonishing, for example, that the Economist can say:
Class war is the sine qua non of Marx. But the class war, if it ever
existed, is over. In western democracies today, who chooses who rules,
and for how long? Who tells governments how companies will be
Devine, James wrote:
but how much have mortgage payments risen as a percentage of
personal disposable income? after all, interest rates have fallen
and refinancing is the big trend these days.
The decline in the interest burden from refinanced mortgages is a
surprisingly small number. Most
Michael Perelman wrote:
We should ask Doug H., who is now on the radio.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/housedebt/default.htm
Debt service % of DPI
total consumer mortgage
01q1 14.05 7.91 6.14
01q2 14.16 7.96 6.20
01q3 13.94 7.79 6.16
01q4
Peter Drucker proclaimed the United States the first truly
'Socialist' country, because workers, through their pension funds
own at least 25% of its equity capital, which is more than enough
for control. In Drucker's reckoning, socialism was introduced by
then head of General Motors Charles
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Mortgage debt-service burden for Q4 2001-Q3 2002 ties the burden recorded in
Q4 1990-Q3 1991 as the highest ever for four consecutive quarters
This just in from St Alan - don't worry about it!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2002/20021219/
A full
In that case, the Economist and Peter Drucker won't mind if we abolish the wage relationship and private appropriation of returns on capital, turning the factories and offices and farms over to the workers and farmers, who will manage them themselves and collective appropriate the entire fruits of
U.S. working for early elections in Venezuela
Reuters, 12.20.02, 1:26 PM ET
By Pablo Bachelet
WASHINGTON20 (Reuters) - The United States is still quietly pushing
for an early election in Venezuela, beset by a power struggle and
national strike, despite publicly backing off the idea, a source
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In that case, the Economist and Peter Drucker won't mind if we abolish
the wage relationship and private appropriation of returns on capital,
turning the factories and offices and farms over to the workers and
farmers,
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in common parlance, even among many economists, socialism refers to any government interference in the so-called free market. (For example, the economic historian Peter Temin referred to the rise of state intervention
"Devine, James" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in common parlance, even among many economists, "socialism" refers to any government "interference" in the so-called "free market."
Well, there's no helping the economists, they're dunderheads anyway, but that's not common parlance outside the loony
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I wrote: in common parlance, even among many economists, socialism refers to any government interference in the so-called free market.
JKS writes:Well, there's no helping the economists, they're dunderheads anyway, but that's not
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Even some socialists see socialism as merely referring to state
ownership of the means of production, not caring who or what owns the
state.
There's a big diff between interference so called and ownership, even
if the
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Aren't governments unownable by definition? Sure some factions/classes
may think the government their personal property, but don't we deride
that as delusional?
officially, the Absolutist kings owned their states (l'état
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Aren't governments unownable by definition? Sure some factions/classes
may think the government their personal property, but don't we deride
that as delusional?
officially, the Absolutist kings owned their states (l'état
Ian Murray wrote:
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Markets couldn't exist without the state, but common mythology (shared
by many econo-dunderheads) has it that markets are natural.
Jim
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Well, since we have no idea as to
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Aren't governments unownable by definition? Sure some factions/classes
may think the government their personal property, but don't we deride
that as delusional?
I wrote:
officially, the Absolutist kings owned
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Well, since we have no idea as to what is non-natural, we can chalk
that
up to insufficient attention to language.
Natural takes up about 14 columns in the OED. I don't think we can
ground ths argument in linguistics or
At 03:59 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, you wrote:
I didn't pry into those 14 columns, but I bet they contain abundant
(respectable) sanction for the linguistic acceptability of the
proposition that Markets are natural.
The question is though Markets are natural to what?
Joanna
More news from the land of samba, smoking inside restaurants and cooption...
*Big news is that the PMDB (a Social Democrat party with cosmetic distinctions
from the ruling PSDB) will not be forming a coalition with the PT. This is the
best news I have heard out of Brazil all week. This has been
SF IMC Interviews Al Giordano on Venezuela, the media, and anarchism
by nessie * Friday December 20, 2002 at 12:10 PM
...nessie: So Al. You're the closest thing we have to a guy on the
ground there. We need your input. Care to enlighten us as to what's
really happening?
Al Giordano: In fact,
Very soothing. AG's 12/19 speech actually contains several rounds of
Greenspan-D'Arista Smackdown, including his response to the idea of using
regulatory tools to slow the credit expansions that breed bubbles. I can't
remember any time in recent years when Father Greenspan has been quite so
What is chilling is how coherent the move to war against Iraq, and the
process of regional change in the Middle East, has become.
While Bush makes a show of letting the determinations of war take place
through the United Nations, and while, yes, there may be arguments within
the Defense
Marx's intellectual legacy
Marx after communism
Dec 19th 2002 From The Economist print edition
As a system of government, communism is dead or dying. As a system of
ideas, its future looks secure.
WHEN Soviet communism fell apart towards the end of the 20th century,
nobody could say that it
(From http://www.disacknowledged.org, the website of Chris Brown, a U.
Cal-Santa Barbara who unsuccessfully sued to be able to include the
following 'disacknowledgement' in his Masters Thesis.)
Disacknowledgements
I would like to offer special Disacknowledgements to the following
degenerates
Blood on His Hands
Gangs of New York
Directed by
Martin Scorsese
By Jonathan Rosenbaum, Chicago Reader
For almost the first two-thirds of Martin Scorsese's 168-minute Gangs of
New York, I was entranced. I felt like I was watching a boys'
bloodthirsty adventure story -- a blend of pirate
Video Forum / Lecture
Iraq Was Made For Oil, By Oil, and May Be Undone By Oil, Says Oystein Noreng
Iraq was made for oil, it was made by oil, and it may be undone by oil,
says Oystein Noreng, FINA Chair for Petroleum Economics and Management at
the Norwegian School of Management. According to
I dare guess you don't agree with Rosenbaum, Louis. I've not seen the
film yet, although see it I shall. But I'd not be surprised if
Rosenbaum has a point when he writes the film's 'blockbuster dimensions
... tend to overwhelm ironic subtexts and morose afterthoughts'.
Producers can do that to
Wednesday night from Governor Davis: Fifty-one percent ($17.7 billion)
of this [deficit] problem is a reduction in revenues based on
predictions in our current budget. Thirty-six percent ($12.6 billion)
of the problem are the one-time reductions that we used last year to
solve that problem.
It's all about balance, of course, and Rosenbaum may have hit that
particular nail on the head for all I know, but I'm even keener to see
the film now than I was half an hour ago.
What's your take?
Cheers,
Rob.
I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. In any case, here's something that John
Cox
Krugman's latest says: The Washington Post reports that one of Mr. Bush's
frequent complaints about Larry Lindsey was that he didn't get enough
physical exercise.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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Krugman's latest says: The Washington Post reports that one of Mr.
Bush's
frequent complaints about Larry Lindsey was that he didn't get enough
physical exercise.
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In the future, economists serving the
Ian Murray Aren't governments unownable by definition? Sure some factions/classesmay think the government their personal property, but don't we deridethat as delusional?
W once referred --as Dave Barry said, i am not making this up -- to his "investorsm er I mean my contributors."
Jim D: but just as the lunatics have taken over the asylum, the looney right wing has taken over the conciousness of much of the US citizenry (at least here in SoCal), along with taking over more and more of the judiciary every day.
Well, Southern Cal, that's where all the loose marbles go anyway
New York Times December 21, 2002
A Top General Still Stands Behind Chávez
By JUAN FORERO
CARACAS, Venezuela, Dec. 20 - The telephone calls have come by the
dozens, from leaders of the antigovernment movement, ordinary
Venezuelans and even a couple of military officers, all pleading with
Gen.
* Social discontent boils over in East Timor protests
By John Ward and Peter Symonds
6 December 2002
At least two people have been killed and more than 20 injured in
clashes with police and soldiers during two days of protests and
rioting by students and unemployed youth in the East
* Mass abstentions nullify Serbian election result
By Paul Bond and Tony Robson
21 October 2002
Described by one observer as an election that never was, the
failure of the Serbian presidential elections to produce a result
offers a damning commentary on the record of the Western-supported
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