[PEN-L:2219] Re: Re: Alan Sokalv04011707b2c6923693cb@[166.84.250.86]

1999-01-17 Thread Jim Devine
The reason that this is important to understand is that Monthly Review Press decided to sell a Pluto Press book titled "Science and the Retreat from Reason" on the basis of its "Sokal-like" strengths. There was some merit to their assumption, but the book itself was an affront to everything MR

[PEN-L:2220] Re: Alan Sokal

1999-01-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: we should remember that MR published a long critique of the book by John Bellamy Foster. That was only because I contacted John and described the problem to him. BTW, I think a good case can be made that Sokal is an adherent of critical realism, which to me seems an important part

[PEN-L:2222] Re: Re: Alan Sokal

1999-01-17 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: we should remember that MR published a long critique of the book by John Bellamy Foster. Louis writes: That was only because I contacted John and described the problem to him. good for you! his review was excellent (though I haven't read the book). BTW, I think a good case can be made

[PEN-L:2226] Re: Re: Re: liquidity: beer, gin, paint

1999-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
The difference is that employers recognized it at the time. Doug Henwood wrote: Michael Perelman wrote: At the time, beer was considered to be essential nutrition during times of hard work. At the time? You mean it isn't anymore? I've been living my life under a delusion then! Doug

[PEN-L:2228] Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:30 PM 1/17/99 +0100, you wrote: The Wall Street Journal frequently denounces "junk science." By that they seem to meen expert testimony that supports seeking damages from some business. Richard Schmalensee, an MIT economist is testifying for Microsoft in the antitrust trial. The

[PEN-L:2229] Re: Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
MIT is the Hoover Institute of technology. It houses a group of social scientists who sole purpose in lfe is to preserve science and technology for the exclusive use of the right wing worldwide. They think neo-liberals are communists. Henry C.K. Liu Jim Devine wrote: At 03:30 PM 1/17/99

[PEN-L:2230] Re: Re: Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Ken Hanly
Does this include Noam Chomsky? Cheers, Ken Hanly Henry C.K. Liu wrote: MIT is the Hoover Institute of technology. It houses a group of social scientists who sole purpose in lfe is to preserve science and technology for the exclusive use of the right wing worldwide. They think

[PEN-L:2233] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For myself, noting and agreeing with the assertion of the general function of institutions like MIT in capitalist society and as instruments of expanded reproduction of that system, a few like Noam Chomsky do slip through and manage to survive. It was explained to me

Re: [PEN-L:2225] Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Peter Dorman
I have followed the testimony in this trial, and I am puzzled by the discussion (there) of monopolistic pricing. Isn't the main model that of limit pricing? The monopolist would like to charge where P=MRP, but only charges the limit price to discourage potential competition. Is there anything

[PEN-L:2236] Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Junk science is, by definition, anything that challenges the perspective of large corporations. The Nation recently ran a piece on the great watchdog of junk science, Gina Collata (damn, I can't remember the last name, but she is Judy Bari's sister). By the way, I have been collected some notes

[PEN-L:2232] Re: Re: Re: Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
MIT would love to kick him out except for the fact that Chomsky got his tenure before he turned political. He has been heavily criticized for neglecting his original field of semantics. Henry C.K. Liu Ken Hanly wrote: Does this include Noam Chomsky? Cheers, Ken Hanly Henry C.K. Liu

[PEN-L:2231] Fwd: Re: Re: Junk Scienceboundary=part0_916634342_boundary

1999-01-17 Thread Nativejmc
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916634342_boundary For myself, noting and agreeing with the assertion of the general function of institutions like MIT in capitalist society and as instruments of expanded reproduction of that system, a few like Noam Chomsky do slip through

[PEN-L:2227] Re: Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Gene Coyle wrote: The Wall Street Journal frequently denounces "junk science." By that they seem to meen expert testimony that supports seeking damages from some business. What I've discovered that a lot of this preoccupation with "junk science" has to do with American Indian concerns. Recent

[PEN-L:2225] Junk Science

1999-01-17 Thread Eugene P. Coyle
The Wall Street Journal frequently denounces "junk science." By that they seem to meen expert testimony that supports seeking damages from some business. Richard Schmalensee, an MIT economist is testifying for Microsoft in the antitrust trial. The NY Times quoted him Thursday re

[PEN-L:2224] Re: Re: liquidity: beer, gin, paint

1999-01-17 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: At the time, beer was considered to be essential nutrition during times of hard work. At the time? You mean it isn't anymore? I've been living my life under a delusion then! Doug

[PEN-L:2223] Re: liquidity: beer, gin, paint

1999-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
At the time, beer was considered to be essential nutrition during times of hard work. Tom Walker wrote: Mayhew discusses the increase of beer consumption coincident with wet weather: "The reason for this increased consumption is obvious; when the weather prevents workmen from prosecuting

Re: [PEN-L:2220] Re: Alan Sokalv04011707b2c6923693cb@[166.84.250.86]

1999-01-17 Thread Peter Dorman
To my eyes, the bitter struggle over "science" demonstrates that, for those who have advanced beyond religious irrationality, there is still a need for a hegemonic intellectual framework. Much of the appeal of classical Marxism, of course, was based on its supposed "scientific" character.

[PEN-L:2221] liquidity: beer, gin, paint

1999-01-17 Thread Tom Walker
Mayhew discusses the increase of beer consumption coincident with wet weather: "The reason for this increased consumption is obvious; when the weather prevents workmen from prosecuting their respective callings in the open air, they have recourse to drinking, to pass away the idle time." Later he

[PEN-L:2217] Re: Alan Sokal

1999-01-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Joseph Green: So far, although you complain--in essence--that Sokal and Bricmont have taken passages out of context, you have not demonstrated itt. I have no idea what you are talking about. Sokal and Bricmont actually do a rather elegant job of exposing the ridiculous pretensions of

[PEN-L:2214] Re: Re: Judith Butler, Alan Sokal and Doug Henwood

1999-01-17 Thread Joseph Green
Doug Henwood wrote: Louis Proyect wrote: At the time, Doug was pro-Sokal but has shifted all the way in the other direction. His big complaint seems to be that Sokal knew nothing about Lacan and company, whom he sent up in his famous Social Text spoof. Let me see. It's ok, from the

[PEN-L:2216] Re: Judith Butler, Alan Sokal and Doug Henwood

1999-01-17 Thread Gerald Levy
Proyect on his participation at the December 1996 Rethinking Marxism conference in Amherst: At the opening night's reception, I downed 3 scotches in rapid succession to put me in the proper frame of mind for the opening session. He then went on to make a comment in the discussion period at