Re: [PEN-L] Sacramento Flood Danger

Surely it is an innocent oversight. However, it is quite telling about the 'quality' of people's reading! I help out on a number of translators' lists - one third of the replies demonstrate that people didn't to read properly. The knock-on effect is that people are also becoming less careful in

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

Work for the world. - Karl Marx After read the nonsense about Chinese socialism, I am not surprised to see a citation from Karl Marx that has nothing to do with his overall insight. Work for the world might as well have been uttered by Jimmy Carter.

[PEN-L] Here comes the big one

http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/17/here-comes-the-big-one/#more-6658

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

Hi Louis, I'm sad to see your comment below. Comrades should not speak to each other like this. All the best, Eric Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Work for the world. - Karl Marx After read the nonsense about Chinese socialism, I am not surprised to see a citation from Karl Marx

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

In reply to questions about the then-impending attack on Iraq, Speilberg told journalists, Bush's politics has been solid, grounded in reality, willing to uproot terrorism wherever it may be found...if Bush, as I believe, has reliable information on the fact that Saddam is making 'weapons of

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

On Feb 17, 2008 6:31 AM, Eric Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Louis, I'm sad to see your comment below. Comrades should not speak to each other like this. All the best, Eric [Quote redacted] I guess I'm going to have to start filtering marxmail's bigmouth by 'text body' instead of

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

Eric wrote: Hi Louis, I'm sad to see your comment below. Comrades should not speak to each other like this. With due zealotry and certainty, Louis protects the sacred flame of Marxism (tm) against anybody tempted to dim it by standing anywhere near the Brenner Thesis, China, Ahmedinajad,

[PEN-L] As I type this, The US government is supplying millions of dollars in high tech weapons to Fatah,

In response to Gershon Shafir's posting at Informed Comment Global: Sunday, February 17, 2008 'Transfer of Power' http://icga.blogspot.com/2008/02/transfer-of-power.html Wherein it is suggested that Hamas would perhaps do better if they now moved towards a more 'civilian' model of governance.

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

what I mean is that it's best to learn something about what you're talking about before you say something. Now, it's okay for average people to violate this rule, but if someone is a public figure (like SS) whose words have special weight, then it's best to be mum -- and then study the issue. If I

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Jim Devine wrote: But people like SS, who know nothing about the world, shouldn't get involved in foreign policy issues. Who should then? Experts? What kind of philosophy is this for a putative democracy? Doug

Re: [PEN-L] Here comes the big one

good article, but the author should avoid using the phrase debt deflation to refer to debt contracts becoming worthless. To economists, it refers to Irving Fisher's theory of what caused the Great Depression. On Feb 17, 2008 8:58 AM, Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

On Sunday 17 February 2008 11:33:40 Jim Devine wrote: By the way, does anyone know what the pro-Zionists have against Sudan? One can only speculate. But it kinda looks like their dreams of regional hegemony involve Balkanizing and weakening any other substantial state in the region,

Re: [PEN-L] subprime primer

it's good. They thought up a way to hide risk by spreading it all over the financial system, so that when it went bad it screwed up the entire financial system. It's like hiding plutonium by blowing it up so that plutonium dust is evenly distributed in the atmosphere. On Feb 15, 2008 7:40 PM,

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

This seems to be a fundamental _western_ (probably _not_ just u.s.*) strategy for maintaing hegemony going back at least to the dismemberment of Yugoslavia in the early '90s. And it's a strategy which dres in _many_ left liberals to support it, as reflected in the terms cruise-missile liberals and

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

On Feb 17, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Jim Devine wrote: n reply to questions about the then-impending attack on Iraq, Speilberg told journalists, Bush's politics has been solid, grounded in reality, willing to uproot terrorism wherever it may be

[PEN-L] From Michael Lebowitz on Venezuela

Michael sent this article about new developments in Venezuela to the new address, which does not work till Friday @ 5 Pacific time. http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/740/38297 -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

First of all, Michael Lebowitz is on the list and will be glad to hear from Eric. Second, Lou's remark was more biting than necessary. I did not notice any statement that Marx was unnecessary, but rather that Deng was building on Marx's conception of development. That said, most of us here,

Re: [PEN-L] new pen-l address

several people have written to ask about the new address. It will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everyone currently subscribed is supposed to automatically be transferred to the new list. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University michael at ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA 95929

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

Dear Eric, Good to hear of your existence. Actually, I do follow events in China and am familiar with Deng's innovations and the subsequent 'one represents' arguments. (In fact, I think most analysts outside the country know about this.) It would be interesting to know if you are aware of the

Re: [PEN-L] Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development

Eric Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/17/2008 1:51 AM Deng Xiao Ping Theory: The Framework which Guides China's Development by Eric Sommer CB: Good to have someone here who will more fully elucidate that point of view.

Re: [PEN-L] CIA in Kenya?

Does a bear _ in the woods ? John Henry

[PEN-L] A Subprime Military

http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2008-February/070175.html http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2008-February/070185.html Iraq has been hurting the US military, which is good news, but unfortunately subprime recruits are renewable resources, given the way the US class system

[PEN-L] Is there a political crisis in the U.S. ruling class ?

Is there a political crisis in the U.S. ruling class ? One wonders whether the Bush-Cheney regime has spear-headed a political train wreck for the world leading U.S. ruling class, opening up possibilities for working class advance. Bush has extremely low approval ratings, and is significantly

Re: [PEN-L] CIA in Kenya?

On Feb 17, 2008 11:57 AM, Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does a bear _ in the woods ? John Henry The Somali warlords were picked up off the coast of Somalia by a US Navy sub when they fled Somalia (before the Pentagon sent in DynCorp with their AC-130s aerial weapons platforms[tm]

[PEN-L] More Proof the U.S. government is still backing al Qaeda 100%

PRISTINA, Kosovo - Kosovo's parliament declared the disputed territory a nation on Sunday, mounting a historic bid to become an independent and democratic state backed by the U.S. and European allies but bitterly contested by Serbia and Russia. Fireworks lit up the night sky over Kosovo's capital

Re: [PEN-L] A Subprime Military

If a recession is happening, that will provide a new stream of recruits to the volunteer armed forces. On Feb 17, 2008 2:22 PM, Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2008-February/070175.html

Re: [PEN-L] Here comes the big one

Louis Proyect wrote: http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/17/here-comes-the-big-one/#more-6658 The author John Quiggin (from Oz) is a very smart progressive bloke.

Re: [PEN-L] A Subprime Military

If a recession is happening, ??? If? If? Gene Coyle On Feb 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Jim Devine wrote: If a recession is happening, that will provide a new stream of recruits to the volunteer armed forces. On Feb 17, 2008 2:22 PM, Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[PEN-L] Western Media Blackout on Positive Chinese developments

Western Media Blackout on Positive Chinese developments It is impossible to get a clear picture of China from the western media coverage of this country. The self-censorship of the western world's capitalist media is far greater and more pervasive than the state censorship sometimes

[PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

michael a. lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Eric, Good to hear of your existence. Actually, I do follow events in China and am familiar with Deng's innovations and the subsequent 'one represents' arguments. (In fact, I think most analysts outside the country know about this.) It

Re: [PEN-L] Western Media Blackout on Positive Chinese developments

* The failure to properly inform people about China's highly innovative 'Scientific Concept of Development'; this concept is arguably the world's most advanced economic policy, because it seeks to replace one-sided emphasis on 'economic growth' with a concept of wholistic or balanced development

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

I am very interested in this exchange -- even more so if Marty jumps in. Please try to keep the temperature down, but I think that we can benefit from tapping Eric's expertise, especially because his views are in the minority here. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

Hi there, Thanks for your interest. Sorry if I disappoint you but my primary motive in joining this list was to contact Michael Leibowitz, whom I couldn't locate by other means, in order to share information about China with him which might be relevant to the socialist movement in Venezuela

[PEN-L] Fwd: Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

One more suggestion: CCTV 9, China's English language television service, is probably available as an option on cable television in your area. It's a great way to learn more about this country. Eric Eric Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:20:09 -0800 (PST) From:

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Eric Sommer wrote: One more suggestion: CCTV 9, China's English language television service, is probably available as an option on cable television in your area. It's a great way to learn more about this country. I've watched a fair amount of it. It comes off

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Eric Sommer wrote: One more suggestion: CCTV 9, China's English language television service, is probably available as an option on cable television in your area. It's a great way to learn more about this country.

Re: [PEN-L] Economists Against Family Values?

Why should this surprise anyone? Every labour economist worth her salt knows that unemployment and job loss is a major factor in family breakup as is suicide, alcoholism, mental illness and crime, all of which are correlated/related to the incidence of family breakup. And where does this

[PEN-L] Peak food

A guy came into the food co-op today to pick up his four 25-pound sacks of wheat. He advised me to pick up a couple of sacks of wheat for yourself and store them in your basement. So I took a look at recent news stories on agricultural commodity prices. Prices are soaring. Every kind of planted

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

Hi Doug, I don't agree. I would encourage others in this list to watch the channel themselves and form their own conclusion. You may have felt that the empasis on building friendly economic relations with other countries or other contents were 'propaganda' but this is meaningful here.

[PEN-L] Eric sommer leaving list

Hi there, Thanks to those who put me in touch with Michael Leibowitz, my reason for joining the list. I'm now leaving the list and will carry on communication with Michael. Thanks again, and thanks for your interest in China, Eric True development puts first those that society puts last.

[PEN-L] New Book on US vs Venezuela [Bush vs Chavez]

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