Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-15 Thread Michael Nuwer
Michael Perelman wrote: I am not sure Michael Nuwer is correct. If both of us buy a candybar for a dollar, why should we get the same marginal utility? I think that we would get the same marginal utility only from the candy bar on the margin. That is, given the market price, we both adjust

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-15 Thread Max Sawicky
If C-B is not possible, sports fans, how would your preferred from of government make a decision about whether or not to undertake a project?

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-15 Thread Michael Nuwer
Michael Nuwer wrote: As for cost/benefit analysis, interpersonal comparisons of utility are not necessary if the analyst equates marginal benefits with marginal costs, where benefits and costs are measured in terms of shadow prices. Then they have determined how many, say, satellites to build,

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-15 Thread Jim Devine
Max Sawicky wrote: If C-B is not possible, sports fans, how would your preferred from of government make a decision about whether or not to undertake a project? it should be noted that there are at least two different kinds of C/B analysis. There's the standard approach, where the authors

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-15 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From what I could see the discussion was mostly on the inapplicability of C/B in principle, not just in practice. Yesterday I read the Dept of Transp primer (for public officials) on C/B, and it acknowledges the propriety of externalities in the computation. Interestingly, the Office of Mgmt

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-15 Thread ken hanly
Of course cost benefit analysis can be done and is all the time. My problem was to try and understand how prices can be used without assuming that utility can be measured in interpersonal units. It is a conceptual problem. Certainly it would not be a good idea to use cost-benefit analysis in

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-14 Thread Laurence Shute
Ken Hanley wrote: I know there are problems about measuring cost and benefits biases in measurement etc. but my problem is conceptual. As I understand it modern economics does not assume that interpersonal comparisons of utility are possible just ordinal rankings of individual preferences.

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-14 Thread ken hanly
But my understanding is that utility cannot be measured except in any but ordinal terms that is by ranking preferences. If marginal utility can be represented by dollars then doesn't that imply that there can be interpersonal comparisons of utility? --- Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Perelman
You are correct. What Cost Benefit people do is to look at willingness to pay implicitly assume that $1 = $1 util. On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:00:23PM -0800, ken hanly wrote: But my understanding is that utility cannot be measured except in any but ordinal terms that is by ranking

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Nuwer
ken hanly wrote: But my understanding is that utility cannot be measured except in any but ordinal terms that is by ranking preferences. If marginal utility can be represented by dollars then doesn't that imply that there can be interpersonal comparisons of utility? What can be compared, in

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I am not sure Michael Nuwer is correct. If both of us buy a candybar for a dollar, why should we get the same marginal utility? On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 11:34:27PM -0500, Michael Nuwer wrote: ken hanly wrote: But my understanding is that utility cannot be measured except in any but ordinal

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-13 Thread Jim Devine
On Nov 13, 2007 12:49 PM, ken hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is so how does one make the transition to measurement of cost and benefits in monetary terms that is the typical mode of analysis in applied cost benefit analysis? Doesn't the measurement in monetary units assume there is

Re: [PEN-L] How is cost-benefit analysis possible?

2007-11-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Ken, you might enjoy Ackerman, Frank and Lisa Heinzerling. 2004. Priceless: On Knowing the Price of Everything and the Value of Nothing (NY: New Press). They do not discuss your issue, though. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321