On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Michael Perelman wrote:
Does anybody have any thoughts on the critique of the IMF by Stiglitz
and Sachs -- that the IMF is creating a deflationary economy to save the
banks?
There is still faith in the Keynesian panacea?
Rakesh
I don't know about the rest of you, but the arguments seem to be
recycling. Susan's belated mention of gender was the only new thread.
Should we put this one to bed?
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The Sacramento Bee had an article about a recent Labor Dep't study
showing that schmoozing added significantly to productivity. The
article did not give much of a lead as to the source and I could not
discover any traces on the Dep't of Labor web site. Does anybody know
of this report?
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Tom Walker wrote that he (and Max) want to hear more about accounting. I
missed Max' post somehow and am only responding to Tom's desire to find the
missing link that
I'll call "labour accounting within capitalism".
Tom take a look at an old book, JM Clark's "Studies in the Economics of
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Fleck_S wrote:
prostitution and marriage are the two most common occupations of women -
Even in the poorest countries in the world surely the first part of this
claim is untrue (assuming something close to a conventional definition of
prostitution).
Bill Burgess
The Los Angeles Times Friday, November 14, 1997
Don't Call Us, We'll Call You
Communications: Lack of competition
in local phone service suggests that a
monopoly may be the natural order.
By A. Michael Noll
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 hasn't stimulated
Doug Henwood:
Lou, you were talking just the other day about the wisdom of the shaman.
Whatever the status of that wisdom, it's probably not compatible with
"universal scientific standards." Meera's debunking of reactionary Hindu
nationalism has a lot in common with the classical Marxian notions
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ORGANIZED LABOR IN THE 20TH CENTURY SOUTH
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:48:25 -0800 (PST)
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Louis Proyect:
Odd, I thought the debate was over the appropriateness of "sciences" or
"local knowledge" versus universal scientific standards. Meera Nanda's
debunking of reactionary Hindu nationalist "science" seems useful. The
debate also seemed to be over the sort of obscurantism and bullshit
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:32:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: aflcio civil rights conference (fwd)
announced on
back page of this months
America@work, the AFL-CIO monthly magazine
AFL-CIO civil rights conference
"Economic justice and organizing for the 21st century"
sponsors:
APRI, APALA,
ASTTEL union
Dear comrades,
With this letter we bring you very bad news!
Today, January 2nd 1998, all trade union leaders of the new CTE company
were amde redundant (as the first step of the privatised
telecommunications company).
Not only ASTTEL but also the other three trade union
Louis Proyect wrote:
And Robbins is better? Raising red-herrings about Abner Louima?
I thought that was rhetorical overkill. But if Sokal uses the metaphor of a
police investigation to describe science, then that should, as they say, be
interrogated. Anyone who takes word choice seriously
In a message dated 98-01-07 23:47:15 EST, you write:
So we've dis'd sex, we've dis'd durgs - who's up for rock n roll?
Is everybody really bored with this "Nina Thread?" How about something really
interesting! Alright here's my challenge:
I challenge any Pen-ler to a battle of the
At 11:43 AM 1/8/98 +, Jim Craven wrote:
I'm getting it now. Sorry I'm so slow. It is not the sexual acts
that prostitutes typically engage in that are exploitative and
degrading, only the fact that such acts take place under capitalist
conditions of exploitation, degradation of labor and
Max Sawicky wrote,
I'd like to hear more
on the substance of the accounting issues, which
really get my juices flowing.
I'd like to hear more, too. It seems to me that there is a missing link that
I'll call "labour accounting within capitalism". Having done a literature
scan on accounting
At 12:00 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Jim Craven's frustration is with other people's inability to understand the
reality he has seen with his own eyes. I can understand this myself. Much
of the discussion that pervades PEN-L and the Spoons lists seems detached
from the day-to-day
Yes, there is a very good book by Peter Dorman from Cambridge University
Press, entitled _Markets and Mortality: Economics, Dangerous Work, and the
Value of Human Life_. Gil Skillman
Pen-l'ers:
Does anyone know of a good radical critique of NC risk analysis? I am
particularly interested in
There is a ceratin feeling of deja vu when approaching the subject of sex
work on this list, but I think we need to clarify a few things:
1. From an analitical point of view sex, and _any_ other area human
activity involving interaction and exchange between different individuals,
can be carried
Jim Craven:
Just spend some time at the Health Clinic at the Blackfeet
Reservation at Browning. There you will see 12 and 13 and 14 year old
boys and girls with AIDS and other diseases just waiting to die.
Now we are getting down to brass tacks. The world of Suzie Bright and Nina
Hartley is
James Michael Craven wrote:
Just spend some time at the Health Clinic at the Blackfeet
Reservation at Browning. There you will see 12 and 13 and 14 year old
boys and girls with AIDS and other diseases just waiting to die.
Under bourgoeis theory, the "exchanges" of these "sex workers" with
their
I got my hands on a paper called "Science, Imperialism, and Love" authored
by Bruce Robbins, an English professor at Rugers University, which
coincides with round two of the Sokal Affair. It was occasioned by the
publication of Sokal's new book in France, written in collaboration with a
Belgian
On Thu, January 8, 1998 at 11:02:39 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes:
William S. Lear wrote:
Bright nor Hartley
Remember that these two women are socialists whose critique of degradation
and exploitation focuses on wage labor, not sex.
Yes, quite right. It's easy to get sucked into a pointless
Robert Saute of CUNY Grad Center says:
If you're interested in dissing rock 'n roll check out Monthly Review's
most recent socialist-realist critique of do it yourself music. Its major
finding is that the popular music industry is an integral part of class
society and that we can't all grow
1) HISTORIC INJUSTICES ADDRESSED IN CANADA
January 8, 1998
Indigenous Tribes in Canada Receive Formal Apology
By ANTHONY DePALMA
OTTAWA -- For the first time, the Canadian government has formally
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paternalistic assistance
Quoth Doug:
valis wrote:
all those other awful LSD-smoking '70s lefties
^^^*
Smoking LSD does sound unusual, if not awful.
So we've dis'd sex, we've dis'd drugs - who's up for rock n roll?
*That was only a dissonant gag, like lefties at Salon.
Here is an observation re. the recently re-emerged on this list sex debate.
When I have a conversation with the "mainstream folks" and I want to avoid
arguments and controversies - sex is one of the few topics available, as
anything from politics, to social issues, to education, taxes, cars,
Yesterday Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
I have recently learned that many progressives in South Korea are
seriously misinformed about the Mexican currency crisis in 94/95 both in
terms of how the Mexican government responded to it and the impact of the
IMF structural adjustment program on the
On Wed, January 7, 1998 at 22:45:13 (-0800) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps given the best opportunities people will choose to work in the
sex industry. Perhaps given a better world, people will freely trade
sex in whatever democratic utopia we create.
"freely trading" does not sound
G'day Penners,
William Lear asks:
Why should it be deprecated any more than any other work done under
conditions of legal exploitation? If the working conditions are safe,
if the work is as "freely" chosen as any other within our society, why
should we care?
It occurs to me that the
If you're interested in dissing rock 'n roll check out Monthly Review's
most recent socialist-realist critique of do it yourself music. Its major
finding is that the popular music industry is an integral part of class
society and that we can't all grow up to be rock 'n roll stars. There is
an
William S. Lear wrote:
Bright nor Hartley
Remember that these two women are socialists whose critique of degradation
and exploitation focuses on wage labor, not sex.
Doug
At 08:23 AM 1/8/98 +, Jim Craven wrote:
Just spend some time at the Health Clinic at the Blackfeet
Reservation at Browning. There you will see 12 and 13 and 14 year old
boys and girls with AIDS and other diseases just waiting to die.
Under bourgoeis theory, the "exchanges" of these "sex
James Michael Craven wrote:
I'm sure that the few rich Jews of Hungry had rationalized away or
insulated themselves from knowing exactly what fate awaited the other
Jews that they helped to identify, register, collect and have
deported.
Am I the only one who finds this analogy offensive? To
On Thu, January 8, 1998 at 11:02:39 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes:
William S. Lear wrote:
Bright nor Hartley
Remember that these two women are socialists whose critique of degradation
and exploitation focuses on wage labor, not sex.
Yes, quite right. It's easy to get sucked into a pointless
James Michael Craven wrote:
I'm sure that the few rich Jews of Hungry had rationalized away or
insulated themselves from knowing exactly what fate awaited the other
Jews that they helped to identify, register, collect and have
deported.
Am I the only one who finds this analogy offensive? To
Pen-l'ers:
Does anyone know of a good radical critique of NC risk analysis? I am
particularly interested in applications to health care, including
questions related to estimating risks of illness and injury.
Jeff Fellows
Nat Center for Injury Prevention and Control
Atlanta, Georgia
(770)
I have been skimming the amazingly prolific discussion of prostitution
on pen-l and am interested to see how most contributors talk about class
issues but don't mention gender. Gender inequality fuels prostitution
and promotes another phenomenon (which i have not seen anyone discuss
yet) of
Some time ago (a year?) someone posted (Doug?) a response
by David Card to the critique that two other economists
had given to _Myth and Measurement_. Unfortunately, I did
not save the response and now I have need of it to counter
claims by a neo-right critique of minimum wages who is
claiming
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EMERGENCY DELEGATION FOR PEACE IN CHIAPAS
Wednesday, January 7, 1998
San Cristobal De Las Casas
In a wide ranging discussion with Bishop Samuel Ruiz, the Emergency
Delegation for Peace in Chiapas,
Headline: UNABOMBER SUSPECT TO UNDERGO PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING TO BE OWN LAWYER.
Would that be the Psy-Bar Exam?
Regards,
Tom Walker
^^^
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At 04:01 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Susan Fleck wrote:
What's different between prostitution and many marriage contracts?
1.prostitution is sex for direct payment of money,
marriage is sex for indirect payment of money/financial security.
Response: Marriage is or equals sex for indirect payment of
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On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
there is a better chance a woman being
brutalized by someone with whom she is in non-commodified relationship (a
boyfriend or a husband) than by a 'john' in the commodified sexual act.
This is not only too much faith in the equality of buyer and
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Nathan deserves a great deal of the credit for derailing this
monstrosity.
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California State University
Chico, CA 95929
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MEXICAN MASSACRE IN ACTEAL: HOW MANY MORE?
_
By Mumia Abu-Jamal
Column Written 12/31/1997
Does anybody have any thoughts on the critique of the IMF by Stiglitz
and Sachs -- that the IMF is creating a deflationary economy to save the
banks?
--
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Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 916-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 07:49 PM 1/8/98 -0800, Michael Perelman wrote:
Does anybody have any thoughts on the critique of the IMF by Stiglitz
and Sachs -- that the IMF is creating a deflationary economy to save the
banks?
It is hard to comment without knowing the specifics (could you provide the
citations or a
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
there is a better chance a woman being
brutalized by someone with whom she is in non-commodified relationship (a
boyfriend or a husband) than by a 'john' in the commodified sexual act.
This is not only too much faith in the equality
Fleck_S wrote:
What's different between prostitution and many marriage contracts?
1.prostitution is sex for direct payment of money,
marriage is sex for indirect payment of money/financial security.
I should say that Susie Bright made exactly this point in her radio
interview with me.
Doug
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At 04:01 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Susan Fleck wrote:
What's different between prostitution and many marriage contracts?
1.prostitution is sex for direct payment of money,
marriage is sex for indirect payment of money/financial security.
2.prostitution is the 'constrained choice' of many women who face
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:47:53 -0800 (PST)
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Folks,
On Thu, January 8, 1998 at 14:19 (CST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some time ago (a year?) someone posted (Doug?) a response
by David Card to the critique that two other economists
had given to _Myth and Measurement_. Unfortunately, I did
not save the response and now I have need of it to counter
On Wed, January 7, 1998 at 21:43:21 (PST) James Michael Craven writes:
...
Then some self-professed "sex worker", who on the one hand professes
"solidarity" with other sex workers, while on the other hand
carefully differentiating herself as educated, articulate, free from
puritanism and
James Michael Craven wrote:
On what basis do you assert that these women are "socialists"?
Because they call themselves that, for one. I've never talked to Hartley,
but I did a long interview on my radio show the other week with Bright, and
we talked, among other things (like left puritanism)
William S. Lear wrote:
My question was (you didn't answer my why is it so unreasonable to assume that
sex
work is just as good as any other in principle?
Why should it be deprecated any more than any other work done under
conditions of legal exploitation? If the working conditions are
At 06:43 PM 1/8/1998 +1100, Rob wrote:
G'day Penners,
[snip]
It occurs to me that the 'self-employed' prostitute (and I recognise the
range of possible experiences for such people is enormous) is essentially
escaping the dominant mode of exploitation of our time. There is no
surplus value
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