Re: Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread M A Jones
Chrish Burford wrote: I could not find the footnote, but Marx uses the word "assume" in the sense in which Jim uses it Playing with words. The results already obtained include Marx's logico-historical derivation of the _existent_, equal comodity exchange. Mark Jones

Re: Re: Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread M A Jones
In fact surely the entire burden of Marx's thesis in all 3 vols of Cap + TSV and indeed in all his mature economics writing, is that profits MUST be explained and CAN ONLY be explained on the basis of EQUAL commodity exchange, not for eg according to Physiocratic notions about wheat harvests or

Re: Re: Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread Chris Burford
At 22:06 17/04/00 -0700, you wrote: what I was thinking of can be found at the end of chapter 5 of CAPITAL Vol. I: ... average prices do not directly coincide with the values of commodities, as Adam Smith, Ricardo, and others believe. This argument is why it is unwise to use the term

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:55 AM 04/18/2000 +0100, you wrote: In fact surely the entire burden of Marx's thesis in all 3 vols of Cap + TSV and indeed in all his mature economics writing, is that profits MUST be explained and CAN ONLY be explained on the basis of EQUAL commodity exchange, not for eg according to

Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/00 07:16PM True a stock market crash could trigger a financial crisis which could trigger an economic crisis particular if US consumers stop consuming as if they never had to save. However only a general political crisis could shift the balance of

Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/14/00 05:59PM very true. plus Luxemburg.. Lenin and Trotsky were both champions of arguments against the Second Interntional-Menshevic claim that socialism couldn't take root in 'backward' places. CB: Also, Lenin predicted the revolution in the "East" would

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/00 11:03AM BTW, I think it's possible to develop a Marxian theory of the origins of profit without equal exchange or even the "law of value." Marx starts with a societal perspective, with "capital as a whole" in vol. I of CAPITAL and moves in the direction

bounced from Rob Parteneau

2000-04-18 Thread Michael Perelman
From: "Robert W. Parenteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unemployment and the stock market Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Michael - It is a little early for dot.com defections to be showing up in unemployment figures, but not out of the question. Keep in mind the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx on value

2000-04-18 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: BTW, I think it's possible to develop a Marxian theory of the origins of profit without equal exchange or even the "law of value." Marx starts with a societal perspective, with "capital as a whole" in vol. I of CAPITAL and moves in the direction of dealing with individuals and

RE: Bolivia, A16, and Bechtel

2000-04-18 Thread Max Sawicky
More on this month's Malefactor of Wealth, Bechtel Corp: . . . Bechtel has long been a WB favorite contractor - naturally since they are infamous for using their heavy handed Repub political clout for getting the big infrastructure projects overseas and in the defense industry. . . ."Although

Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/00 04:51PM I'm continually surprized by how little attention there is here to 'dollarization.' CB: What's important about dollarization ? The link below has a number of reports, mixed among other Repug shit

Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread Rod Hay
True, Charles, but surely the important thing for a Marxist is a revolution that leads to socialism. And there Marx's contention that it could only occur in an advance capitalist country still holds. Rod Charles Brown wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/14/00 05:59PM very true. plus Luxemburg..

news flash

2000-04-18 Thread Michael Perelman
NEWS FLASH -- SOME WEB RETAILERS ARE MAKING MONEY! A new study by Boston Consulting Group in conjunction with shop.org shows that 38% of Web retailers are actually making money, and a surprising 72% of catalogue companies that moved into cyberspace now have profitable Web operations. Although

Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread md7148
Revolution can "only occur in an advance capitalist country?". Which Marxists subscribe to this notion besides vulgar orthodoxs nowadays? This was *not* Marx's contention. Marx's circumstances were entirely different when he came closer to this idea, but he never explicitly put it. History

Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
I'd say it more this way, Rod. There is no successful socialism without it eventually being a world revolution. But that doesn't mean that the world revolution starts everywhere at the same time. And directly to your point, and proven by the first efforts to build socialism in the 20th

Re: The Political Economy of Famine (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread md7148
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Gunder Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED], CENES [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The

on Diamond's Guns, Germs Steel

2000-04-18 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley Rosser (once of pen-l, soon to return) forwards these comments on Jared Diamond's _Guns, Germs Steel_ Remarks on Diamond in light of Devine and DeLong reviews: I think the claim that _Germs, Guns, and Steel_ by Jared Diamond is the greatest work of genius in econ

Re: on Diamond's Guns, Germs Steel

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/00 02:39PMBut, there is a big problem with Diamond's argument and it is Africa. O'Neill and others make it clear that Africa, the likely origin of humanity, has more diseases than anywhere else in the world and many of these came from contact

RE: Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread Max Sawicky
Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/00 04:51PM I'm continually surprized by how little attention there is here to 'dollarization.' CB: What's important about dollarization ? That's what I was hoping others could tell me. Off the top of my head, it would seem to have dire

RE: Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread Charles Brown
Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/00 03:07PM Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/00 04:51PM I'm continually surprized by how little attention there is here to 'dollarization.' CB: What's important about dollarization ? That's what I was hoping others could tell me. Off

Re: Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Rod Hay wrote: True, Charles, but surely the important thing for a Marxist is a revolution that leads to socialism. NO! This is to pretend that we access to a crystal ball. The important thing for a Marxist is revolution aimed at socialism. Whether it succeeds in maintaing itself to fit

Re: RE: Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread Jim Devine
talking a break... CB: What's important about dollarization ? quoth Max: That's what I was hoping others could tell me. Off the top of my head, it would seem to have dire implications for the independence of other countries and the adequacy of their money supply, from the standpoint of

[Fwd: New from the CCPA]

2000-04-18 Thread Ken Hanly
Perhaps some on Pen-L might be interested in this Cheers, Ken Hanly April 18, 2000 NEW FROM THE CCPA Here is a selection of new publications from the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. Note that they do not, for the most part, include new publications from our provincial offices.

The war on drugs

2000-04-18 Thread Louis Proyect
The New York Times, March 31, 2000, Friday, Late Edition - Final House Passes Bill To Help Colombia Fight Drug Trade By ERIC SCHMITT After two days of debate, the House today approved a $12.7 billion emergency spending bill whose centerpiece commits the United States to train and equip

Russian entrepreneurs

2000-04-18 Thread Louis Proyect
New York Times, April 18, 2000 Power-Line Thieves Loot Russia, Often Risking Death or Maiming By PATRICK E. TYLER PROKOPYEVSK, Russia, April 15 -- Maksim Naumenko, a 12-year-old boy with a slight build and a cherub's face, had just stolen a goodly length of copper wire from the Tyrginskaya

Silicon Valley janitors

2000-04-18 Thread Louis Proyect
New York Times, April 18, 2000 Janitors Struggle at the Edges of Silicon Valley's Success By STEVEN GREENHOUSE SAN JOSE, Calif. -- From 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. each night, Guadalupe Herrera cleans offices at that pinnacle of high-tech success, Cisco Systems, and then she heads home to the garage

Re: Pacifica board/Nation Magazine collusion

2000-04-18 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: [The current issue of the Nation Magazine has an article by John Dignes that supports the NPR-ization of the radical FM radio network that broadcasts Doug Henwood's excellent radio show as well as some other show that at least to me are less than excellent. But radical they

Re: Re: Pacifica board/Nation Magazine collusion

2000-04-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Thanks for the kind words, Lou, but I've been reading Feldman's stuff for years on the FreePacifica lists, and he's really off base on this. Feldman takes a useful technique - tracing board links and such - and goes into overdrive with it. I'm not unfamiliar with the internal workings of The

Re: unemployment and the stock market

2000-04-18 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Of the state of California reported today that unemployment is up because of the recent declines in the dot.com stocks -- prior to the big swoon. Dean Baker, who is gracing our campus with his presence today expressed skepticism. It made some sense to me since both

Re: Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread Rod Hay
This is closer to what I believe, Charles. But even so. It is likely that a revolution that starts anywhere but the US or Western Europe would quickly be bombed to oblivion. Even in US or Western Europe, it must be a mass democratic upheaval, rather than a small group coup d'etat. Rod

Re: Re: RE: Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread Rod Hay
Widespread dollarization, would have a similar effect as a fixed exchange rate, such as the gold standard or Bretton Woods. Except that the degree of fixity would be much greater. (much less opportunity to cheat). And as such it would have the advantages and disadvantages of a fixed exchange

about The Political Economy of Famine (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread md7148
On page 109 of his 1984 book "The Politics of the World-Economy", Wallerstein comments on the 1973 oil-crisis: "The result of course was not only to reallocate distribution of world surplus, but to constrain world production. (It is for this reason that political opposition to OPEC in

Re: Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread md7148
I can not think of any revolution that was not a mass democratic movement, if the meaning of revolution is not conflated with coup-d'etat, of course! Mine it was written: mass democratic movement rather than a small group coup d'etat. Charles Brown wrote: There is no successful socialism

Re: Re: RE: Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread phillp2
Jim, Correct me if I am wrong, but is dollarization any different from in the EMU with fixed exchange rates for the small countries? Paul Date sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:57:54 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Fwd: New from the CCPA] boundary=------------6517B68DFB8C70A821D50ABF

2000-04-18 Thread phillp2
Ken, I checked the web site for "Falling Behind" and it wasn't listed. A pity since I had intended to order a copy. Paul Date sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:08:47 -0500 From: Ken Hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Japan: the China of the 1930's

2000-04-18 Thread Louis Proyect
The thirties saw Japan leaping forward from the advanced positions conquered during the World War, when it had consolidated its grip on Eastern markets. Now it expanded into the next ring of countries--India, the Dutch Indies and the British colonies in East Asia. While Britain’s share of India’s

A Left Politics for the 21st Century? or, Theory and Praxis Once Again*

2000-04-18 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
http://fbc.binghamton.edu/iwleftpol.htm "A Left Politics for the 21st Century? or, Theory and Praxis Once Again"* by Immanuel Wallerstein Fernand Braudel Center 1999 There is said to be a Yugoslav aphorism that goes like this: "The only absolutely certain thing is the future, since the past

Re: Dollarize This

2000-04-18 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:33 PM 04/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: Jim, Correct me if I am wrong, but is dollarization any different from in the EMU with fixed exchange rates for the small countries? Paul I'm not really the one to ask (not being a international finance expert), but in the case of the EMU, the decision