Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Marvin Gandall wrote: Hindery, in effect, accuses members of the US business elite of placing their narrow personal and company interests ahead of their class interests, and the Bush administration of pandering to their selfish needs rather than acting in line with its broader responsibility as

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s. (Militancy, itself, is older

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s. (Militancy, itself, is older

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Kenneth Campbell wrote: The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s.

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Doug wrote: Louis: The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Me: Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s.

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Kenneth Campbell wrote: Wel... I do not think it is an either/or thing... I think I said the same thing as you, quoted above, in the last paragraph of that post of mine that you quote... Sorry, I wasn't responding to you really, but to the person you quoted. Doug

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 12:18 PM -0400 8/10/04, Doug Henwood wrote: Why isn't it better to have a bourgeois politician in office who owes a few favors to people like us rather than someone who hates us with a passion? Expecting the Democratic Party elite to think that they owe working-class Democrats a few favors is

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Marvin Gandall
Yoshie wrote: I've seen folks here and elsewhere contemptuously dismiss an independent electoral challenge to the Democratic Party from the left (Nader/Camejo and Greens who support them), an attempt to make voices for peace heard inside the Democratic Party (Kucinich and those who supported

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 12:52 PM -0400 8/10/04, Marvin Gandall wrote: But to imagine you can create strikes, demonstrations, and other forms of mass activity in the streets through the sheer power of ideas, where the conditions for those ideas to take root are largely absent, strikes me as -- well, idealism. You are

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Yoshie wrote: My posting was in response to the remark that militant demonstrations in the streets are tactics of another era and that protests that are more theatrical than militant are merely marginal. Shame on the person who wrote that horrible thing you respond to... Ken. -- Fascism should