Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-01-30 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], demerphq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/06, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Kennedy wrote: A testing system should only be sending FAIL reports when it believes it has a platform that is compatible with the needs of the module, but when it

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-30 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if there is a problem with Module::Install, you have to update all your dists with the new version - solve one problem, create two new ones :) But if there is a problem with EU::MM or Module::Build, you have to

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-31 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big advantage I see here is it's not you doing the work, it's everybody else. I generally don't have too much of a problem doing incrementals... cd trunk/Module-Name ppichangeversion 0.14 0.15 perl

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-15 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure what stupid consists, but my system wouldn't have problems handling 512 MB of memory. I'd prefer that you not decide that my system needs 512Mb to use this, even if you can handle that on your side.

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-15 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My real-grand-plan was always to have a CPANDB module that does exactly the following: I think the latest version of my cpan(1) script does everything you show, although it doesn't use a local database. It would be nice to have all

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-16 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody would care about dependencies if they never failed (except for the issue of installation time). I have a couple of clients that are very skittish about outside dependencies in general. They have to get thrid-party

Re: Query: Perl Testing

2006-08-25 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adrian Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Aug 2006, at 09:04, Vishal Mehta wrote: [snip] 1) What is the role of Perl in testing? [snip] It's a programming language. People use perl to test programs written in perl. People use Perl to test. No

Re: CPANTS quality brainstorming

2006-09-13 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Klausner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I added a few things, most notably the new has_license metric (thanks again to Gabor Szabo for implementing it). (BTW, there was quite a drop in the CPANTS game highscore lists, as lots of dists don't come with a license

Re: post-YAPC::Europe CPANTS news

2006-09-13 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Salve J Nilsen wrote: Any metric that catches bad things, particularly bad technical things, is going to be just fine. Metrics that try to push good behavior are fraught with trouble,

Re: CPANTS quality brainstorming

2006-09-13 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adriano Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/06, Thomas Klausner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it would be reasonable to also check for a POD-Heading named LICENSE, but that's definitly more error-prone. Tell one place where people should look to have

Re: Proposal for author test envvar standard (was Re: Suggestions for cpantesters)

2006-10-04 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:13 AM, David Golden wrote: Given what you use, perhaps qr/AUTHOR_TEST/ is a good idea. That's cool. Then I could do Cif ($ENV{AUTHOR_TEST_CDOLAN}){ ... } in my .t files and just set that to 1 in

Re: AnnoCPAN Doc Patch Maker

2006-10-04 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to be able to pull up a text entry box online with the contents of the POD, fix any typos inline, then submit it to the server which can generate a patch and perhaps redirect me to rt.cpan.org? I think I'd

Re: AnnoCPAN Doc Patch Maker

2006-10-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 3, 2006, at 3:58 PM, brian d foy wrote: Even better would be something like Pod::Spellchecker. I've started the project several times but never had that much motivation to finish it. Things would be simple

Re: recursive_test_files in Module::Build and in ExtUtils::MakeMaker

2006-11-03 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/2/06, Chris Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not an EU::MM bug -- it's a new M::B feature. What should you do? You're not going to like this answer: Don't use recursive test directories. :-) Does

Re: Integrating Test::Run into an ExtUtils::MakeMaker+Test::Manifest Setup

2006-11-03 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://xrl.us/sw5o for a recipe for integrating make runtest and make distruntest targets into a Makefile.PL-generated Makefile that makes use of Test::Manifest. That Test::Manifest stuff in XML::RSS is old. Instead,

Re: CPAN::Shell-install() downloads dependencies, but doesn't add them to @INC for tests

2006-11-22 Thread brian d foy
[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the To, Cc, and Newsgroups headers for details. ]] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Florian Scharinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, any pointer how I can create a custom Bundle:: ? The documentation of CPAN.pm defines the Bundle format, or

Re: Test::Harness 3.0

2007-01-21 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Kennedy wrote: So, seeing as you are going to take over Test::Harness as well, is NOW where I ask you for the PITA-related capturing of a copy of the TAP streams? :) Let me just clarify what I'm wanting here, for

Re: ExtUtils::MakeMaker, and t/ sub-directories

2007-02-08 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 8, 2007, at 1:26 AM, Nik Clayton wrote: [ I vaguely recall a discussion about this, but my search-fu is weak, and I can't find it ] Is there a standard way/idiom to get ExtUtils::MakeMaker to support tests

Re: ExtUtils::MakeMaker, and t/ sub-directories

2007-02-08 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nik Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a standard way/idiom to get ExtUtils::MakeMaker to support tests in subdirectories of t/? I don't know of a standard idiom, but I created Test::Manifest so I didn't have to live with MakeMaker's method of getting

Re: Integrating Test::Run into an ExtUtils::MakeMaker+Test::Manifest Setup - Take 2

2007-02-16 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://svn.perl.org/modules/XML-RSS/trunk/Makefile.PL You have: -- { package MY; sub test_via_harness { my($self, $perl, $tests) = @_; return qq|\t$perl -MTest::Manifest | . qq|-e

Re: use mocked

2007-02-25 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Luke Closs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/23/07, A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Dominique Quatravaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-23 11:35]: And, uh, how about this: use lib 't'; use mock::LWP::Simple; That will not call the importer in the

Re: UNIVERSAL::require broke my tests

2007-02-28 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that the following does not trigger this: use UNIVERSAL::require; use CGI qwno_such_function; CGI has the nifty feature of auto-generating functions from its import list to turn them into HTML generating functions: use

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-03 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-28T22:39:01] Is there a de facto standard for custom extensions to META.yml? (I didn't see one in the spec.) An example might be fields beginning with a capital letter or X-foo

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-04 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-03T13:31:15] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: extensions: CPAN::Reporter: cc_author: 0 I think in some cases

Re: a safer way to use no_plan?

2007-03-04 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the bottom of a test file: {my $finish = 1; END {$finish or die \n unplanned exit}}; Yeah, you have to remember to put it at the end of the file, but it may be easier than counting tests. Thoughts? You don't

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-04T12:09:26] I'm not talking about the particular field name, but the idea that I'd want to say in META.yml Don't send me mail, or whatever setting I want. Instead of having

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-06 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that you want a per-author META.yml or that you don't want to have to say don't send me mail in two places in each distribution, or both? I'm not proposing anything. I think I siad that before. I just don't

Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-15 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Piping all diagnostics to STDOUT solves nothing except maybe allowing runtests to display warnings again. You still can't tell the difference between a comment (what currently is # foo printed to STDOUT) and a failure

Re: Eliminating STDERR without any disruption.

2007-03-17 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A. Pagaltzis wrote: The most bangs I can count instantly by looking at them is four. For five bangs and up, all I see is “lots of bangs.” I have to count character by character to tell them apart. Visually, I

Re: CPANTS: suggestion for a new metric

2007-05-31 Thread brian d foy
[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the To, Cc, and Newsgroups headers for details. ]] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2007 14:54:27 demerphq wrote: Er, so you want a metric to tell people about how their rejected upload

Re: CPANTS: suggestion for a new metric

2007-05-31 Thread brian d foy
On 5/31/07, Andy Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 May 2007, at 21:42, brian d foy wrote: I've just been running cpants_lint.pl before I upload anything. If it doesn't say perfect, that fails. :) Yes, damn you :) I'll volunteer for a bit of poking of Test::Kwalitee if it doesn't need

Re: CPANTS: suggestion for a new metric

2007-06-02 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nathan S. Haigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A suggestion was to have different levels of strictness in Test::Kwalitee and have different sets of metrics being tested by default at each of those levels. However, I didn´t get into this and simply hard-coded some of

Re: Test::Kwalitee (was: CPANTS: suggestion for a new metric)

2007-06-02 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 June 2007 10:47:00 Andy Armstrong wrote: You could send them to me if you fancy? I'm guessing chromatic's pretty busy. I lost most of my outstanding patches a couple of weeks ago too, and only just noticed.

Re: Testing URIs in POD

2007-06-02 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've started crafting Test::Pod::URI to extract URIs from POD and check them to make sure they work. However, my CPAN-fu has been weak today, so I thought I'd mail here and see if anyone knew of anything out there that

Re: .t files as specs

2007-06-20 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Mike Malony wrote: So I'm working my project, and I've got one other more junior coder with me. Has anyone tried writing test files as part of their spec's? An overview document

Re: Which Modules Does Your Distro Need?

2007-07-31 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine this: ./Build testdeps That would be a custom action which would load a special Test::More wrapper which, at the end of each test program, cache %INC. I named mine Test::Prereq. :)

Re: a standard place for extra tests

2007-08-17 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adriano Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Testing some Author stuff would be rarer than having author tests. So maybe we could standardize on something like t/author and when other value is desirable, a key/value pair may be specified in META.yml (and in

Re: a standard place for extra tests

2007-08-18 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adriano Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/17/07, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adriano Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...smells a lot like Test::Manifest, which is just test. In t/test_manifest, you just list

Re: add points for registered namespaces

2007-08-20 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cyberiade . it Anonymous Remailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's a lot of questionable modules being uploaded to CPAN which create top-level namespaces, very often not even being self-explanatory. it would be nice to add points for modules which have

Re: add points for registered namespaces

2007-08-20 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRT the intent of forcing the user to get approval for their module: while it's nice to ask for opinions for your module, it sucks to hold up sharing your new module with the world while waiting for humans to respond.

Re: add points for registered namespaces

2007-08-21 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], demerphq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/21/07, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The effect of this kwalitee metric would be that fewer modules are registered as I or Adam just stop paying attention because it's too much work now. Maybe you need more

Prior art for testing against many local perls?

2007-09-13 Thread brian d foy
. This is something that I want to run right in my sandbox. The process is really easy: unpack the distro, use the appropriate perl with Makefile.Pl, and capture the results to make the report. So, who's already done this? :) -- brian d foy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to The Perl Review: http

Re: Test::Pod / YAML explodes (and taking cpants with it...)

2007-09-19 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Number::Phone::UK::Data contains a big chunk of binary gibberish at the end of the file (it's an embedded DBM::Deep database), in a __DATA__ segment. That includes several lines that match /^=/ and so might look like

Re: Test::Harness::Straps is going away

2007-10-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm sure that many of you are aware of this, but I wanted to remind you that with the upcoming release of Test::Harness 3.0, Test::Harness::Straps is going away. Do you mean that Test::Harness 3.0 won't have it but it

Re: Searching CPAN repositories in a chain

2007-10-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matisse Enzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CPAN::Mini is designed to mirror a public CPAN, not to be part of a search path, which is what I want. that's what urllist in the CPAN.pm config is for.

Re: a scheme for extra testing

2007-10-12 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been organizing my thoughts about this and have gotten this far: http://scratchcomputing.com/tmp/extra_testing.txt The profile at the end of that looks interesting, and I immediately thought about a way in

Re: a scheme for extra testing

2007-10-13 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aside( You wouldn't have to say anything about tests that don't need anything special, just tests that are special. Why would non-special tests be in xt/? I mean special as in different from everything else in the

Re: Mad TAP proposal

2007-11-01 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have this ticket in the Test::Harness RT queue: http://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=29633 Martin Thurn is asking for a SKIP_OUT directive that would skip all remaining test files and return a PASS. Well, if

Re: [tap-l] Mad TAP proposal

2007-11-01 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # from Andy Armstrong # on Wednesday 31 October 2007 16:51: But what about a more general mechanism? A TAP directive that means   'schedule these other tests'. So then you'd have a controller test   which was the only one

Re: [tap-l] Mad TAP proposal

2007-11-01 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 Nov 2007, at 14:12, Michael Peters wrote: Yeah, but from the user's PoV this is pretty easy: # t/controller.t use Test::Steering; include ('xt/frob') if frob_avail(); include ('xt/slow') if

Re: New proposed CPANTS metric: prereq_matches_use

2007-11-13 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 10:53:42PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: and: Foo::Bar is in distribution AUTHOR/Foo-Bar which also contains Foo::Bar::Baz, so I only need to declare one of them to get both. This is also an

Re: New proposed CPANTS metric: prereq_matches_use

2007-11-15 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-13 21:10]: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 10:53:42PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote: and: Foo::Bar

Re: Dropping 5.5 support from my modules.

2007-11-19 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an announcement that my modules will no longer try to be backwards compatible with 5.5.x. Fair enough. Can you make a list of the last versions of all of those that should work with Perl5.005? I suppose that's

Re: Dropping 5.5 support from my modules.

2007-11-19 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: brian d foy wrote: Fair enough. Can you make a list of the last versions of all of those that should work with Perl5.005? I suppose that's the current list right now. Pretty much. If anyone wants to put

Re: Ignoring parts of compiled-in @INC during CPAN builds

2007-11-23 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matisse Enzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I want is to EXCLUDE certain directories from @INC during the build process, specifically anything under /Library/Perl, especially in the sub-processes that CPAN::Shell creates when building each distribution. The

Re: Ignoring parts of compiled-in @INC during CPAN builds

2007-11-24 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matisse Enzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 23, 2007, at 8:19 AM, brian d foy wrote: If this were my problem, I think my first attempt would be writing my own CPAN.pm script that set the environment and config just the way I wanted it. If you mean

Re: expanding the cpan script, and Module

2008-02-11 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like what you really want is a new config option. The cpan script is just a pass-through to CPAN::Shell. That's not really true. Although I use CPAN::Shell for some things, cpan isn't just passing things along. My

Re: ignoring already installed modules during a cpan install

2008-02-11 Thread brian d foy
[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the To, Cc, and Newsgroups headers for details. ]] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Hampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there an existing, or planned setting, for the CPAN utilities, that will cause it to ignore any already installed

Re: Oslo Hackathon schedule page

2008-04-02 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Klausner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:58:39AM -0400, David Golden wrote: For those attending the Oslo hackathon, please see the new schedule page: Are there any plans on short talks introducing people to the various

Video of Oslo QA Hackathon closing remarks

2008-05-22 Thread brian d foy
I've managed to edit the video from the closing remarks at the Oslo QA Hackathon. http://vimeo.com/1043143 It's nothing fancy, but it's the first video I've made and next time it will be better :)

Re: New CPANTS metrics

2008-06-10 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sending this to both the module-authors list so you can be aware of the new metrics and the perl-qa list as they might have a few words as well

Re: testing for warnings during tests

2008-06-10 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having those warnings during tests is a problem that should be somehow solved. I'd like to have a cpan-testers report whenever my test suite issues warnings. It's not a new category. If the tests all pass it's still a PASS.

Re: Proposed (optional) kwalitee metric; use re 'taint'

2008-06-24 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Does anyone think this is a bad idea? I think it's an exceedingly bad idea. The more things I have to pay attention to in CPANTS, the less likely that I'm going to do anything about it. You might like using it, but I'm not

Re: Proposed (optional) kwalitee metric; use re 'taint'

2008-06-24 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm very much not happy to get bug reports and test failures and big red bars against my distributions because an automated heuristic which applies only to some cases decided that it knows better about how to write

Re: Proposed (optional) kwalitee metric; use re 'taint' / Per-author tests?

2008-06-24 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On that note, surely we could save a lot of anguish with regards to many of the CPAN tests just by making the optional ones[1] actually optional? As a completely off-the-bat suggestion that could be controlled by META.yml:

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Klausner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The goal of deducting a kwalitee point for 'no_cpants_errors' is to get authors to report CPANTS bugs. Why do you need authors to report those? After a run, you have a list of all of the errors already.

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

2008-09-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want nothing in my inbox that I have not explicitly requested. I want to choose how I get reports, if at all, and at what frequency. I'm going to

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

2008-09-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd hate to lose those in my email because other people don't want to filter their mail. I'd hate to get spammed because other people don't want to sign up to receive them. You keep saying spam, but that's not the right

Re: passing the baton onwards (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it))

2008-09-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:19:26PM -0400, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: I recognize that CPAN is a volunteer effort, but it does seem to me there is a implicit responsibility on the part of the author to maintain the

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-05 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I could see somehow that my distribution implicitly runs on Perl 5.001 (or explicitly runs only on 5.11.0), or that it has no Makefile.PL or Build.PL, or any of the other dozens of packaging quirks that can cause problems,

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-05 Thread brian d foy
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:17 PM, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 05 September 2008 16:52:05 brian d foy wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], chromatic If I could see somehow that my distribution implicitly runs on Perl 5.001 (or explicitly runs only on 5.11.0), or that it has

Re: passing the baton onwards

2008-09-06 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], (Andreas J. Koenig) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:15:04 -0700, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], (Andreas J. Koenig) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:54:40 -0700, brian d foy

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-07 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That’Äôs CPANTS, the useful part of it anyway’Ķ except that the feedback cycle is even *much* slower there than with the Testers. Is not! Check out Test::Kwalitee on cpan. I've taken to adding that to my

Re: CPAN Testers - Author Notification System

2008-09-11 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( Well, I guess we win some and we lose some. Just brainstorming for the moment, but if we had

Re: How to write a test for Test::Builder?

2008-09-19 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it seems that this bug is only fixed as a side effect of that change, and it's not actually tested for. What's the best way to write a test that fits within the current frameworks to prevent any regression? It's not

Re: Announce: Test::Formats 0.11

2008-10-22 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy J. Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I settled on the name Test::Formats. At present, the module provides Test::Formats and Test::Formats::XML. The latter has all the testing-hooks for checking XML documents against DTDs, XML Schema descriptions and RelaxNG

Re: Sum of all tests for a module/application

2008-10-26 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], nadim khemir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was discussing one of my modules with a friend and he asked how many tests I had. I answered 500 hundred but it then hit me that to have the module working I had to rely on other modules written by other people.

Re: The Test Feature I Want

2008-12-15 Thread brian d foy
In article 200812121032.00515.enoba...@gmail.com, Eric Wilhelm enoba...@gmail.com wrote: # from Ovid # on Friday 12 December 2008 04:37: Running a single test means that I ... want to run that test. ... Here are conditions I see crop up in tests:   POD_COVERAGE ... FAST_TESTS ...

Has anyone integrated Perl module testing and TeamCity?

2008-12-15 Thread brian d foy
Is anyone doing continuous testing of Perl modules with TeamCity? I've just started a project using that, and while it looks straightforward, I don't want to reinvent anything that anyone else has done. Specifically has anyone: * made stuff to turn TAP into TeamCity messages? * tracked

Re: Post-Hackathon plans?

2010-03-17 Thread brian d foy
[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the To, Cc, and Newsgroups headers for details. ]] In article 4b8c3be2.7010...@pobox.com, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote: I'm planning out my hackathon trip, and I figure it would be silly to fly all the way to Vienna, hack, and

Re: Toolchain issues

2010-05-04 Thread brian d foy
In article k2i5d4beb41004290438sfd5fa38dj93c60571c10b...@mail.gmail.com, David Golden xda...@gmail.com wrote: Quick thoughts: 2. ExtUtils::MakeMaker and Module::Build - Serious!   HP-UX, and probably other OS's too, do not allow installation of   shared objects when the object

Re: Toolchain issues

2010-05-04 Thread brian d foy
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Re: Move Test::More development discussion back to perl-qa?

2011-01-30 Thread brian d foy
In article 4d4492ac.6080...@pobox.com, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote: Do people not care? Is it going over everyone's heads? Is everyone just waiting for it to be done? Does it not seem like TB2 is relevant? I want Test::Builder 2. I'm just full up with everything else I'm

Re: Using CPAN or CPANPLUS to install a list of modules (even if already installed) into a specified location

2011-04-29 Thread brian d foy
In article 9c335568-ae99-4bce-9ad0-58e776e44...@matisse.net, Matisse Enzer mati...@matisse.net wrote: Is there an existing way to do the equivalent of: cpanp --prefix=/tmp/MyCollection --ignore-already-installed Module::One Module::Two ... I don't know how you would do it with cpanp. I

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-05-26 Thread brian d foy
In article 02c001cc1a59$6865b810$39312830$@activestate.com, Jan Dubois j...@activestate.com wrote: AFAICT there is no good index for backpan though. There's a good index, but it lives on one of my private computers and is rather large. :)

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-05-26 Thread brian d foy
In article BANLkTinzErQAnW4qthz=t1jdd8p3iou...@mail.gmail.com, David Golden xda...@gmail.com wrote: * You run the dependency analysis tool against your tarball, using the perl as a base and using the local+BackPAN to resolve dependencies. * Tool spits out the ordered list of tarballs

Pod-Perldoc needs tests. You can help.

2011-11-15 Thread brian d foy
correctly, too, and I imagine testing those would benefit modules such as Pod::Checker. -- brian d foy brian.d@gmail.com

Re: Need suggestions for terminology

2011-12-05 Thread brian d foy
In article 20111205154758.gh17...@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote: There's at least one other significant difference: CPAN has an up-to-date index. BackPAN doesn't. Well, CPAN's index is also BackPAN's index. That is, neither of them include all of the

Re: [QA2012] IRC Meeting 2011-01-12

2012-01-16 Thread brian d foy
In article 20120112232237.GA5030@swoosh, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) philippe.bru...@free.fr wrote: - as a side remark, it would be great if the companies that use perl would give back some of the money they saved by not having to pay for a Perl license especially for an event like this one,

How might we mark a test suite isn't parallalizable?

2013-05-02 Thread brian d foy
In HARNESS_OPTIONS we can set -jN to note we want parallel tests running, but how can a particular module, which might be buried in the dependency chain, tell the harness it can't do that? It seems to me that by the time the tests are running, it's too late because they are already in parallel