explicit laws about whitespace in rules

2005-05-23 Thread Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan
I'd like to know where EXACTLY whitespace is permitted in rules. Is it legal to write \c [CHARACTER NAME] or must I write \c[CHARACTER NAME] -- Jeff japhy Pinyan % How can we ever be the sold short or RPI Acacia Brother #734 % the cheated, we who for every service

Re: explicit laws about whitespace in rules

2005-05-23 Thread Damian Conway
Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan wrote: I'd like to know where EXACTLY whitespace is permitted in rules. Is it legal to write \c [CHARACTER NAME] or must I write \c[CHARACTER NAME] The latter, I believe. It's a single token. Damian

Re: lazy context

2005-05-23 Thread Ingo Blechschmidt
Hi, Yuval Kogman nothingmuch at woobling.org writes: we have a lazy modifier: my $a = lazy { get_value(5, 10) }; as of r3739 implemented in Pugs. :) The only builtin feature that needs to be added is that coroutines can masquerade as their return value, and not a code

Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
Hi, because I see some people struggle to get things like GHC working, and then to get make and a compiler working, and because some people have limited bandwidth which makes big svn updates a less pleasant experience, and for other reasons, I decided to have my company, Convolution, sponsor a

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Rob Kinyon
If you want access, please let me know. I will send you a temporary password by e-mail, that I expect you to change the first time you get the chance. I'd like one. The box won't have an SVN mirror unless someone puts it there. There won't be a smoke test unless someone writes the script.

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
Rob Kinyon skribis 2005-05-23 11:22 (-0400): I'd like one. Sure - just think of a nice catchy username! :) Maybe we should divvy these tasks out. It wouldn't do that have two people smoke-testing on the exact same machine or to have two SVN mirrors ... Good idea, will you take the task of

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 5/23/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Kinyon skribis 2005-05-23 11:22 (-0400): I'd like one. Sure - just think of a nice catchy username! :) robkinyon please - it's catchy enough. Maybe we should divvy these tasks out. It wouldn't do that have two people smoke-testing on the

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread BÁRTHÁZI András
Hi, I'd like one. Sure - just think of a nice catchy username! :) I'd like another one, as boogie. I think now, that I will use it, but I have a lot of jobs these days, with higher priorities :( than Perl6. dev.pugscode.org seems indicated ... Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :).

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Autrijus Tang
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 05:25:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: dev.pugscode.org seems indicated ... Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :). And it's going to be something.perl6.nl, probably. I don't mind aliases, though, but they better be CNAMEs. How about dev.perl6.nl -- I'll CNAME

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 05:18:45PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Everyone who wants, can get a login. me too! 'domm' please. Also, this new machine needs a hostname. Please help me think of a cute name! I prefer a short hostname with less than 9 letters. onion Access to this machine would also

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread wolverian
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 05:18:45PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Hi, Hello :) because I see some people struggle to get things like GHC working, and then to get make and a compiler working, and because some people have limited bandwidth which makes big svn updates a less pleasant experience, and for

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Stevan Little
Juerd, I would like an account too, username 'stevan' please. On May 23, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Juerd wrote: dev.pugscode.org seems indicated ... Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :). And it's going to be something.perl6.nl, probably. I don't mind aliases, though, but they better be CNAMEs.

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
BÁRTHÁZI András skribis 2005-05-23 17:40 (+0200): I think, the cute name can be about animals. A camel and a parrot are in my mind. Parrot can't be, because that's also the name of one of the projects, and I want to avoid confusion. Camel -- sorry, but years of Perl still haven't convinced me

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
Stevan Little skribis 2005-05-23 12:00 (-0400): I would like an account too, username 'stevan' please. Will be arranged. lambdacamels.perl6.nl? I like it, but singular (as it identifies the machine itself, not its users). Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
Thomas Klausner skribis 2005-05-23 18:03 (+0200): While I will inform everyone what they need, I'm sure quite a lot people will show up without a fresh checkout of the various repositories. So if I can get a number of dummy accounts (to be deleted after the event) that would be great!

Re: Hackathon users (was: Perl development server)

2005-05-23 Thread BÁRTHÁZI András
Hi, Thomas Klausner skribis 2005-05-23 18:03 (+0200): While I will inform everyone what they need, I'm sure quite a lot people will show up without a fresh checkout of the various repositories. So if I can get a number of dummy accounts (to be deleted after the event) that would be great!

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread BÁRTHÁZI András
Hi, I think, the cute name can be about animals. A camel and a parrot are in my mind. Parrot can't be, because that's also the name of one of the projects, and I want to avoid confusion. I just thinking something related these animals, not the animal. Maybe feather, etc. It's not the big

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
Nathan Gray skribis 2005-05-23 12:50 (-0400): Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :). And it's going to be something.perl6.nl, probably. I don't mind aliases, though, but they better be CNAMEs. Juerd, why am I getting everyone's responses, but not your original messages? I have no idea.

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
Thomas Klausner skribis 2005-05-23 18:03 (+0200): onion Sorry, I had previously overlooked this lone paragraph. I like onion the best so far. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How about zephyr. On Mon, 23 May 2005 18:55:29 +0200, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Thomas Klausner skribis 2005-05-23 18:03 (+0200): onion Sorry, I had previously overlooked this lone paragraph. I like onion the best so far. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skribis 2005-05-23 13:58 (-0500): I like onion the best so far. How about zephyr. The building my grandmother lives in is called Zephyr. For me, the word is strongly associated with old people, and not at all with programming :) While an onion has many layers that

Re: reduce metaoperator on an empty list

2005-05-23 Thread TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)
HaloO Mark, please don't regard the following as obtrusive. you wrote: If as usual the definition of a right identity value e is that a op e = a for all a, then only +inf works. Besdies you example should have been; Or actually $n % any( abs($n)+1 .. Inf ) to really exclude 0 from the

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Matt Creenan
On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:58:20 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about zephyr. No! That's the name of a project I'm working on dang it ;)

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It reminds me of minor league baseball and roller coasters...anyway, onion seems somehow appropriate since they also make the people kitchen cry ;) On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:00:51 +0200, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skribis 2005-05-23 13:58 (-0500): I like onion the best so

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
Andy Bach wrote off-list: Isn't Abigail the golfer, YA excellent PH, FunWithPerl, er guy? I think camels are Fido and Amelia: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=31716 You're right, of course. I knew it was one of those A names... -- Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl and Parrot

Re: lazy context

2005-05-23 Thread TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)
Yuval Kogman wrote: The only builtin feature that needs to be added is that coroutines can masquerade as their return value, and not a code reference, but AFAIK proxy objects will give us that anyway, right? Hmm, isn't the same achieved by considering Eager and Lazy as subtypes of Code? E.g.

Re: Declaration of my() variables using symbolic referentiation

2005-05-23 Thread TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)
Ingo Blechschmidt wrote: am I correct in the assumption that the following is an error? # Not in a BEGIN block my $::(calc_varname()) = 42; The more interesting question is: how do you expect to adress the var in the code that follows? I guess the compiler won't have a problem with taking

Intervals

2005-05-23 Thread Edward Peschko
Just came across something cool on the frink mailing list - was wondering if perl6 had any intention on implementing this, or if not natively, ideas on what would be the best way of implementing it in perl6. They have the intent (Alan Eliasen has the intent) of implementing 'intervals' which

Re: reduce metaoperator on an empty list

2005-05-23 Thread mark . a . biggar
There are actuall two usefull definition for %. The first which Ada calls 'mod' always returns a value 0=XN and yes it has no working value that is an identity. The other which Ada calls 'rem' defined as follows: Signed integer division and remainder are defined by the relation: A =

Re: Intervals

2005-05-23 Thread Luke Palmer
On 5/23/05, Edward Peschko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have the intent (Alan Eliasen has the intent) of implementing 'intervals' which match fuzzy values where you know an approximate extent of the value, but not the value itself. E.g (.5 ... .75) * (.5 ... .8) == (.25 ... .6)

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões
Hi Well... I promise not to push much the server. Although I think I will manage to get ghc and all those things working soon, I would like an account too, if possible. User name, ambs Also, onion as a machine name is a good name. Domm++ Alberto wolverian wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2005 at

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Nathan Gray
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 12:00:14PM -0400, Stevan Little wrote: On May 23, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Juerd wrote: dev.pugscode.org seems indicated ... Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :). And it's going to be something.perl6.nl, probably. I don't mind aliases, though, but they better be CNAMEs.

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Nathan Gray
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 06:51:31PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Nathan Gray skribis 2005-05-23 12:50 (-0400): Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :). And it's going to be something.perl6.nl, probably. I don't mind aliases, though, but they better be CNAMEs. Juerd, why am I getting everyone's

Re: Argument Type Checking

2005-05-23 Thread David Storrs
On May 19, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Luke Palmer wrote: In general, you should probably be declaring your parameters with uppercase types, [...] Luke If so, wouldn't it make sense that 'int' is the boxed type (one less keystroke) and 'Int' is the special case? Optimize for the common case,

Re: Perl development server

2005-05-23 Thread Juerd
I've been advised to make sure I get the full names of users, not just their nicknames and e-mail addresses, for juridical purposes. Although this can be a rather sensitive subject for some, I've chosen to follow the advice and require that users make their full name known. If you don't have a

mod/div (was: reduce metaoperator on an empty list)

2005-05-23 Thread TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are actuall two usefull definition for %. The first which Ada calls 'mod' always returns a value 0=XN and yes it has no working value that is an identity. The other which Ada calls 'rem' defined as follows: Signed integer division and remainder are defined by

Re: mod/div (was: reduce metaoperator on an empty list)

2005-05-23 Thread Mark Reed
I would really like to see ($x div $y) be (floor($x/$y)) and ($x mod $y) be ($x - $x div $y). If the divisor is positive the modulus should be positive, no matter what the sign of the dividend. Avoids lots of special case code across 0 boundaries. On 2005-05-23 18:49, TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)

Re: Argument Type Checking

2005-05-23 Thread Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
David Storrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, wouldn't it make sense that 'int' is the boxed type (one less keystroke) and 'Int' is the special case? Optimize for the common case, and all that. Think of it as being like module names--all-lowercase modules are special (pragmata), while