Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, I think, that David's version is matches with my opinion. I don't think, that beginners would be a better name for it, but maybe more practical, as it's a more evident name. Bye, Andras David Storrs wrote: On Jun 15, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: And here they are... this is just a draft -- feel free to flame/edit/ tear it apart liberally. These are also written assuming we don't create a perl6-general list (but it shouldn't be hard to adapt them should one be created). Well, I'd suggest the following. (Anything not mentioned stays as you wrote it.) perl6-language This is the theory of list. Discussion of the design of the perl6 language, and its desired (or unwanted) feature list. If you have patches and/or suggestions for improving the Perl 6 design documents (Apocalypses, Synopses, etc.), send them here. perl6-howto This is the practice of list. Come here to ask How do I..., What does XYZ mean?, or Why doesn't this work? Novices are especially welcome. (Note: I envision this list being much like beginners@perl.org, but I never liked that name because it seems like it would drive away those who have a question but do not consider themselves beginners. On the other hand, maybe it's more important to explicitly welcome novices. I could go either way: maybe the above list should be 'perl6-beginners')
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, Hi, I think, that David's version is matches with my opinion. I don't think, that beginners would be a better name for it, but maybe more practical, as it's a more evident name. Hmmm, I think beginner is a little negative. What about professional Perl5 programmers, who wish to learn Perl6? Wouldn't like the name :-)) How about 'perl6-usage', 'perl6-programming' or... hmmm, simply 'perl6'? - Fagzal
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, Fagyal Csongor wrote: I think, that David's version is matches with my opinion. I don't think, that beginners would be a better name for it, but maybe more practical, as it's a more evident name. Hmmm, I think beginner is a little negative. What about professional Perl5 programmers, who wish to learn Perl6? Wouldn't like the name :-)) How about 'perl6-usage', 'perl6-programming' or... hmmm, simply 'perl6'? I like perl6-programming, as it means, that it's ok to post there general programming questions (related to perl6), too. And maybe my original proposal, perl6-general is OK, too. Bye, Andras
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-2] BÁRTHÁZI András wrote: Where should I ask, that what's PGE means? Yes, I know, it's Parrot Grammar Engine, and I know what it is, but a beginnner maybe not. And I think that Which makes me think that first or later it may be worth to start a FAQ for questions like these even if they're not frequently asked. And indeed a perl6-general may be a starting point for writing one. Michele -- Is e+pi a rational or irrational number? Yes, it is. - Robert Israel in sci.math, Re: A Number Problem
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi Michele, Where should I ask, that what's PGE means? Yes, I know, it's Parrot Grammar Engine, and I know what it is, but a beginnner maybe not. And I think that Which makes me think that first or later it may be worth to start a FAQ for questions like these even if they're not frequently asked. And indeed a perl6-general may be a starting point for writing one. I agree. Is it possible the setup an SVN repo for the FAQ, that would be mirrored the the web page? Anyway, if the perl.org webmasters not interested in it, or it is a big work to setup a mailing list and/or a FAQ like this, I can offer the infrastructure for it, and I can setup it in a day. Bye, Andras
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:04:34AM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: Perhaps what we need is updated descriptions of the various mailing lists on perl.org (http://dev.perl.org/perl6/lists/)? I'll draft some proposed changes to that page. And here they are... this is just a draft -- feel free to flame/edit/ tear it apart liberally. These are also written assuming we don't create a perl6-general list (but it shouldn't be hard to adapt them should one be created). perl6-announce Moderated list for news of new lists, working groups, and so on. Summaries from the top-level working groups are also posted here. perl6-language Discussion of the perl6 language, focusing primarily on the design of the language itself and its desired (or unwanted) features. General questions about the Perl 6 language tend to come here, as well as patches and suggestions for improving the Perl 6 design documents (Apocalypses, Synopses, etc.). perl6-internals Discussion of the design, development, and implementation of Parrot, the virtual machine underlying Perl 6 and other interpreted languages. Messages here focus on implementing and testing the Parrot virtual machine, patches to the Parrot implementation, porting Parrot to other target platforms, the components and design features needed for Parrot to support higher-level languages, and selected high-level language compilers (e.g. Tcl, Lisp, etc.). perl6-compiler Discussion of the development and implementation of Perl 6 compilers and runtime components, including Pugs and the Parrot Grammar Engine (Perl 6 rules). Questions, bug reports, and patches regarding existing Perl 6 compilers and runtime components go here. Pm
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
On Jun 15, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: And here they are... this is just a draft -- feel free to flame/edit/ tear it apart liberally. These are also written assuming we don't create a perl6-general list (but it shouldn't be hard to adapt them should one be created). Well, I'd suggest the following. (Anything not mentioned stays as you wrote it.) perl6-language This is the theory of list. Discussion of the design of the perl6 language, and its desired (or unwanted) feature list. If you have patches and/or suggestions for improving the Perl 6 design documents (Apocalypses, Synopses, etc.), send them here. perl6-howto This is the practice of list. Come here to ask How do I..., What does XYZ mean?, or Why doesn't this work? Novices are especially welcome. (Note: I envision this list being much like beginners@perl.org, but I never liked that name because it seems like it would drive away those who have a question but do not consider themselves beginners. On the other hand, maybe it's more important to explicitly welcome novices. I could go either way: maybe the above list should be 'perl6-beginners')
new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, I would have some general Perl6 programming questions. Where should I ask them? It's not about language design, not about compiling/compilers and even not related to the internals. As more and more people will start hacking Perl6, I think, that it would be useful to having a list for this. In this particular case, I would like to ask about creating a langugage construct (maybe there's a desgin pattern for it, maybe not) for a web templating system can be expanded by the user. Bye, Andras
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, Just wanted to say the same. All my questions starting as How to... and Is this... are just to trivial to ask here :) OTOH as there is no global Perl5 list (AFAIK, at least), these things should go to the regional mail-lists - later on. However, at this phase of develpment of Perl6/Pugs/Parrot/Andtherest, we would just overload those who are not (yet) interested in Perl6 with a continuous fear of getting Warnocked ;) Andras++ - Fagzal Hi, I would have some general Perl6 programming questions. Where should I ask them? It's not about language design, not about compiling/compilers and even not related to the internals. As more and more people will start hacking Perl6, I think, that it would be useful to having a list for this. In this particular case, I would like to ask about creating a langugage construct (maybe there's a desgin pattern for it, maybe not) for a web templating system can be expanded by the user. Bye, Andras
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:27:20PM +0200, Fagyal Csongor wrote: Just wanted to say the same. All my questions starting as How to... and Is this... are just to trivial to ask here :) - Fagzal I would have some general Perl6 programming questions. Where should I ask them? It's not about language design, not about compiling/compilers and even not related to the internals. Bye, Andras If you're IRC-able, then get on irc.freenode.net and join #perl6. People there are always happy to blather on about perl6 stuff that is related to pugs/perl6 development (including general perl6 programming questions). -Scott -- Jonathan Scott Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:54:45PM +0200, BÁRTHÁZI András wrote: I would have some general Perl6 programming questions. Where should I ask them? It's not about language design, not about compiling/compilers and even not related to the internals. As more and more people will start hacking Perl6, I think, that it would be useful to having a list for this. As you mention, general Perl6 programming questions probably don't belong on perl6-compiler, as that list is focused more on compiler implementation issues (Perl6, Pugs, PGE) than on how does the language work. So, that leaves either perl6-language or a new list. Personally I could see it going either way -- even though general Perl6 programming questions aren't directly about language design, it may still be useful to language designers to see the types of questions that people are asking and to see how well the language design can work in practice. Or maybe that's not needed. But I tend to lean away from list proliferation where possible. So, I'd suggest putting general questions about Perl 6 on perl6-language. In saying this, however, I think it's important to try to distinguish questions about Perl 6 from questions about the various implementing components such as Pugs, PGE, and any forthcoming Perl 6 compiler(s). For some time these implementations will be only approximations of the Perl 6 language design, so they're not authoritative as far as testing understanding of Perl 6. (But they are often very illustrative and educational. :-) So, questions like XYZ doesn't seem to work in Pugs or PGE probably belong on perl6-compiler. So, as a general rule of thumb, I'd say that if a question involves getting something to actually run with the available Perl 6 tools, then that question belongs on perl6-compiler. Otherwise, perl6-language (or a new list for that purpose) is the place to go. Perhaps what we need is updated descriptions of the various mailing lists on perl.org (http://dev.perl.org/perl6/lists/)? I'll draft some proposed changes to that page. Pm
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, So, that leaves either perl6-language or a new list. Personally I could see it going either way -- even though general Perl6 programming questions aren't directly about language design, it may still be useful to language designers to see the types of questions that people are asking and to see how well the language design can work in practice. Or maybe that's not needed. But I tend to lean away from list proliferation where possible. So, I'd suggest putting general questions about Perl 6 on perl6-language. In saying this, however, I think it's important to try to distinguish questions about Perl 6 from questions about the various implementing components such as Pugs, PGE, and any forthcoming Perl 6 compiler(s). For some time these implementations will be only approximations of the Perl 6 language design, so they're not authoritative as far as testing understanding of Perl 6. (But they are often very illustrative and educational. :-) So, questions like XYZ doesn't seem to work in Pugs or PGE probably belong on perl6-compiler. Where should I ask, that what's PGE means? Yes, I know, it's Parrot Grammar Engine, and I know what it is, but a beginnner maybe not. And I think that there are a lot of questions around like this, but people feel, that those questions don't fit to the lists. Or maybe not, don't know. I agree, that it is useful for the designers to see the questions, but if it will be a separate list, it still won't be impossible for them. Anyway, I understand why you wrote what you wrote, so as there will be no decision, I'll ask my questions on perl6-compiler. Bye, Andras
Re: new mailing list: perl6-general?
Hi, Anyway, I understand why you wrote what you wrote, so as there will be no decision, I'll ask my questions on perl6-compiler. I mean, perl6-language. Bye, Andras
