[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14314

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
14314 - - Issue 5233: Support Semantic Source Links. Thanks Camillo Bruni. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5233 Now when you press command while clicking on a class name you jump to the class :). Same for the click on a method name and instance variable.

Re: [Pharo-project] About linkedlist

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks for the explanation frank btw (did you dd it in the class comment because it would be gorgeous). I learned something today so I'm happy. Now what is the typical use case for such persistent structure? Stef On Feb 4, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: On 3 February 2012 20:40,

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14315

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
14315 - - Issue 5247: add Transcript package to the list of kernel and core packages. Thanks Pavel Krivanek. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5247

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, Dumb/lazy question with good intentions; what is spec? Too many code names :) I should be able to at least offer guidance on MVP; I've used it to great effect for years, and know the good and weak points. Bill From:

Re: [Pharo-project] MVP

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, Oops - read in the wrong order (I just asked what spec might be based on a different message from you). It seems clear from the current context that it is something I should indeed review. Bill From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Stef, Dumb/lazy question with good intentions; what is spec? Too many code names :) I should be able to at least offer guidance on MVP; I've used it to great effect for years, and know the good and weak points. I would love that :)

[Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Hello all, I have a fair amount of code that I can't/don't dare release because it involves intellectual property that I do not own, and access under non-disclosure agreements (some of which are silly, but need to be respected regardless). None of that code it is relevant to you (unless you

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, It sounds great, and I will indeed help where I can. I also have some code (see separate plea for help re gofer or any non-mc way to upload files) that might help. If you have past me in some areas, WONDERFUL. I'm on the mend from a bug last week, so I'm not 100% just yet (feeling

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14314

2012-02-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 05 Feb 2012, at 11:27, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: 14314 - - Issue 5233: Support Semantic Source Links. Thanks Camillo Bruni. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5233 Now when you press command while clicking on a class name you jump to the class :). Same

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Trying to undeerstand Morphic subclasses and step/stepAt:

2012-02-05 Thread Dave Mason
Hi Marcel, On 2012-Feb-5, at 2:04 , Marcel Taeumel wrote: You need to call #startStepping if you want #step to get called frequently according to #stepTime. Actually you don't with Squeak 4.2 and Pharo 1.3 (don't know about earlier versions), because Morphinitialize does that. But just for

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Hello all, I have a fair amount of code that I can't/don't dare release because it involves intellectual property that I do not own, and access under non-disclosure agreements (some of which are silly, but need to be respected

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok what I suggest is to - build the smallest case so that others can understand the forces in presence (this is what we did with Spec) in fact we started with one button and a list. - have a look at spec (the code is small) and how we could integrate your ideas

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, Taking Ben's (??) suggestion of a clean 1.3 image, I was able to successfully load Citezen using the latest MC configuration and your 1.3 snippet below. I am not sure why I had such bad luck w/ pre-built seaside images, but the problem does appear to lurk there. I wasn't getting any

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, Sure, but my concern is that, in the past, I had a simple packing mistake (I assume I was at fault) expose code that I had not intended to release. There was no harm that time, but I would really rather do *anything* other than let MC write my code to the repository. I'd settle for

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Ben Coman
Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Hello all, I have a fair amount of code that I can't/don't dare release because it involves intellectual property that I do not own, and access under non-disclosure agreements (some of which are silly, but need to be respected regardless). None of that code it is

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I do not really understand your problem. either your code is public and you can publish it to a repository where people can have a look or your code is private and you do not publish it. The fact that this is mc or not is orthogonal or I miss something Stef On Feb 5, 2012, at

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Ben, Constraints would be useful. Again, I don't dare botch this - it's silly but, there is force of law and all that. Failing a screening system like you describe, I would literally settle for an ability to make a repository and then just FTP specific files that I have saved locally and

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, The only thing you are missing is that I (presumably) made a mistake that once broke a barrier between public code and things that I had not intended to release. The spill was code that was not worthy of release (otherwise harmless), but it could have just as easily have been something

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Dave Mason
On 2012-Feb-5, at 8:13 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: The only thing you are missing is that I (presumably) made a mistake that once broke a barrier between public code and things that I had not intended to release. The spill was code that was not worthy of release (otherwise harmless), but

[Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Wilker
Hi guys, My first post on this maillist, and brand new on Smalltalk too :) Today I'm here to ask a few things to you guys. I'm planning to do some experimental projects (just to learn more Pharo) and I'm getting stuck on some stuff... I'm trying to do some work with Sounds (playing, recording,

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Dave, Thanks for the suggestion. It also occurs to me that Pharo *has* to contain the upload code, so I might simply be able to isolate and script it to push only what I specify. I just need an idiot proof safe solution. Bill From:

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Ben Coman
I think your concern is admirable. Businesses are sometimes shy of open source (more the GPL than MIT) for similar concerns. Providing tools to manage those concerns might enhance respectability in the eyes of those potential business users, but there are probably more important things for

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Benjamin
On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Stef, Dumb/lazy question with good intentions; what is spec? Too many code names :) I should be able to at least offer guidance on MVP; I've used it to great effect for years,

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
You give me a little too much credit: I'm SCARED of their lawyers :) Beyond that, I also respect the deals we made and it is only correct to honor them. Note that one or two of the agreements are just plain silly, but we entered them in good faith.

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Benjamin wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Stef, Dumb/lazy question with good intentions; what is spec? Too many code names :) I should be able to at least offer guidance

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Welcome :) There are some packages in PharoSound I guess. After I do not know materials about Sound. May be in the Squeak book on my free books web site. Stef Hi guys, My first post on this maillist, and brand new on Smalltalk too :) Today I'm here to ask a few things to you guys.

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Morphic View Application Framework

2012-02-05 Thread Benjamin
On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Benjamin wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Stef, Dumb/lazy question with good intentions; what is spec? Too many code

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Trying to undeerstand Morphic subclasses and step/stepAt:

2012-02-05 Thread Dave Mason
On 2012-Feb-5, at 7:40 , Bob Arning wrote: Look at the methods #wantsSteps. Bingo! I assumed it was something stupid I was missing. On 2012-Feb-4, at 14:23 , Sean P. DeNigris wrote: I don't know if it's any better, but when I create my own morph-in-a-window, I usually don't subclass

[Pharo-project] Creating a file with FS

2012-02-05 Thread stephane ducasse
Hi FS users I'm puzzled by FS api. I want to create a file in a directory so I did | wk | wk := FSFilesystem disk workingDirectory. (wk / 'CSS2') ensureDirectory worked Now I looked at ensureFile and I do not understand the code ensureFile Create if necessary a file for the receiver.

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Trying to undeerstand Morphic subclasses and step/stepAt:

2012-02-05 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Dave Mason-3 wrote You need to call #startStepping if you want #step to get called frequently according to #stepTime. Actually you don't with Squeak 4.2 and Pharo 1.3 (don't know about earlier versions), because Morphinitialize does that. But just for completeness, I did that, and it

[Pharo-project] Seaside going better

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
A clean 1.3 image is starting to work. I would still like to see Jenkins create Seaside-enabled images, because the download times can be significant, and I have experienced intermittent failures that might be due to down servers, etc. My most recent attempt choked at one point, but I *think*

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside going better

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I wrote a bit soon, but I've tweaked Migrate to try save the image at key steps in the hopes of reducing wasted time. In the NICE() column, I increased the font size for code in 1.3 - I can read it again :) Bill From:

[Pharo-project] FS: How do I get the equivalent to slash

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi is there a way to know the character that encode a folder separator using FS? FileDirectory slash Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Göran Krampe
On 02/05/2012 12:30 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Hello all, I have a fair amount of code that I can't/don't dare release because it involves intellectual property that I do not own, and access under non-disclosure agreements (some of which are silly, but need to be respected regardless). None of

[Pharo-project] startDrag: error

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys In 1.4 I get from time to time a problem with PluggableListMorphstartDrag: evt |row ddm draggedItem draggedItemMorph | dragItemSelector ifNotNil: [ ^self startDragExtended: evt ]. evt hand hasSubmorphs ifTrue: [^ self]. (self dragEnabled and: [model

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo vision

2012-02-05 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 30.01.2012 09:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: OK, so here's my take. I try to not turn this into a wish list. Rich libraries While I obviously agree that rich libraries are valuable I believe it's important to have clear guidelines to what should be part of Pharo and what not. In one extreme I

[Pharo-project] Snapshot question

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I am getting some stalled installations, and hope to be able to snapshot my building image after each successful step (not going so well). With the 1.3 one-click, I can't break (control or alt . ???) something that's gone bad - is there a secret to getting that back? Re snapshotting the image,

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside going better

2012-02-05 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 05.02.2012 16:37, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: A clean 1.3 image is starting to work. I would still like to see Jenkins create Seaside-enabled images, because the download times can be significant, and I have experienced intermittent failures that might be due to down servers, etc. My most recent

Re: [Pharo-project] load testing a database

2012-02-05 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 03.02.2012 16:11, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, Do you happen to know methods to approach the problem of testing the capacity of an application to work with an SQL database? Which capacity? In particular, I am interested in simulating concurrent requests towards this database that would

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
You're not daft; I'm simply looking for suggestions; yours counts :) From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Göran Krampe [go...@krampe.se] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:12 PM

Re: [Pharo-project] startDrag: error

2012-02-05 Thread Fernando Olivero
ouch...this kind of method is why i chose to start from scratch…. what is the err you get? Fernando On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi guys In 1.4 I get from time to time a problem with PluggableListMorphstartDrag: evt        |row ddm

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Wilker
Hi, Thanks :) I saw that packages on the class browser, but no docs at all (just on some messages, but no base doc...). I also tried this snippet: FMSound organ1 play. But it doesn't play any song at all... But maybe it's because of some settings, I found that in settings there is a checkbox

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
FWIW, I've had zero luck with sound on Linux :( Squeak did work when I tried it, but I'm not ready to move over sound. I have read that others have gotten sound going on Pharo by copying plugins and evaluating expressions, but it didn't work for me. So far, sound would simply be entertaining.

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel Galdames
On Linux you can get sound doing this (at least it works for me :p ): Copy Squeak-4.4.7.2357-linux_i386/lib/squeak/4.4.7-2357/so.vm-sound-pulse from SqueakVM 4.4.7 (http://www.squeakvm.org/unix/) to: For the Eliot CogVM: coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-2522/ and rename it to: vm-sound-pulse

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Wilker
Thanks a lot Daniel :) The hint for enabling sound worked here :) Now only need some docs about sound recording, reproducing and analysis... Probably will need to dig into sources =/ But playing now, is a good start :) --- Wilker Lúcio http://about.me/wilkerlucio/bio Kajabi Consultant +55 81

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
This is strange because it should work. I saw that it is not in 1.3 with the default download image + vm. I tried 1.3 with VM 1.3 with VM 4.2.3 1.3 with VM 4.2.5 1.3 with VM 5.7.4 It is working in Squeak 4.2 The squeak image is working with VM 4.2.3

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I have some BADDDg code for making wav files; I'll try to gather that and post here. It's aimed at making playable sound files from samples, but it might help you??? It's free, so no griping :) Bill From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
on mac you should enable sound: BaseSoundSystem soundEnabled: true We should have a setting for it in the future. Stef On Feb 5, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: FWIW, I've had zero luck with sound on Linux :( Squeak did work when I tried it, but I'm not ready to move

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo vision

2012-02-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks Philippe. I worked more on the document but I will integrate your ideas in it and will send it again. Stef On Feb 5, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: On 30.01.2012 09:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: OK, so here's my take. I try to not turn this into a wish list. Rich

[Pharo-project] SmallHarbour questions

2012-02-05 Thread Germán Arduino
Hi: I'm trying to start using SmallHarbour and found several problems or is me that don't know how to do the things: 1. How to delete a folder? (If I create a folder and click on it and then press delete nothing happens). 2. How to delete images and changes files? (If I click in an image it

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Ok, that worked :) Is there a way that we could get the plugin into the Jenkins built vm? Bill From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Wilker [wilkerlu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday,

[Pharo-project] Open Advice Essays

2012-02-05 Thread Ben Coman
I hesitated to share this since I actually found most of it a bit bland and Pharo is already doing many of the suggestions quite well - but I had picked out the few interesting parts as a went along, so here they are. Many of the essays would apply more to the Pharo ecosystem of

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Wilker wilkerlu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, My first post on this maillist, and brand new on Smalltalk too :) Today I'm here to ask a few things to you guys. I'm planning to do some experimental projects (just to learn more Pharo) and I'm getting stuck on

[Pharo-project] Basics...Pluggable..Morphs on change

2012-02-05 Thread S Krish
I am checking out on the basics of the PluggableTextMorph and PluggableListMorph .. and its cousins. PluggableListMorph changeModelSelection: anInteger setIndexSelector ifNotNil: [model perform: setIndexSelector with: anInteger]. here it is the responsibility of the model to send #changed:

Re: [Pharo-project] Sound tutorials

2012-02-05 Thread S Krish
http://squeaksource.com/PharoSound/ http://squeaksource.com/PharoSound/ http://squeaksource.com/PharoSound/ConfigurationOfPharoSound-GuillermoPolito.17.mcz Caveats on Ubuntu: * I could not get Preferences to work properly.. infact the Sound Preference item does not expand * The Sound settings

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo vision

2012-02-05 Thread S Krish
My two cents: Pharo Roadmap: Should be a clean, basic kernel, rockstable, IDE that is guaranteed to work most efficiently with its base library, compiler. Perfect and simplest kernel. I do consider a perfect FFI, Collections, Streams ( including File/ Socket ), String, Graphics, UI

Re: [Pharo-project] Alternative to MC for upload?

2012-02-05 Thread Nick Ager
Hi, For private code I began by using an ftp repository then switched to a WebDAV server, With a private WebDAV server you can use Monticello, Gofer etc as though you are using squeak-source - though without a front-end. If you want a front-end there is squeak-source 3 [1] Nick [1]