Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-02-01 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 29 January 2012 18:48, Philippe Marschall kus...@gmx.net wrote: On 29.01.2012 17:02, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 29 Jan 2012, at 15:30, Philippe Marschall wrote: As for scale.. monticello scales well. No, it does not. Please elaborate: I really can't see the difference between

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-30 Thread Janko Mivšek
Wow guys, it is nice for me to see that this thread raised some fruits already and it seems it will even more in the future :) Best regards Janko S, Dale Henrichs piše: Otto, This looks very interesting! Since you are still using Monticello, I think it should be very straightforward to add

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Dale Henrichs
@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:02:51 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? | | | On 29 Jan 2012, at 15:30, Philippe Marschall wrote: | | As for scale.. monticello scales well. | | No, it does not. | | Please elaborate: I really can't see the difference

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
No, it does not. Please elaborate: I really can't see the difference between doing a merge (either an easy one or a more diffucult one over multiple files, spread over a couple of days, with intervening changes by others) using either Monticello or Git. The scalability limits of

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes took me 10 hours to install GTK and it crashed on me… So … I do not see this discussion going anywhere. On Jan 29, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 29 Jan 2012, at 18:48, Philippe Marschall wrote: The scalability limits of Monticello are well understood. PackageInfo

Re: [Pharo-project] [Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 29.01.2012 17:29, Steve Wart wrote: Big legacy projects are still using Envy for VisualWorks less for the reasons listed below, but mostly because it's extremely difficult to migrate to Store without doing a big bang and most of these projects don't have 200+ developers anymore anyhow

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Michael Haupt
-verbose-than-python-loc-a-modest-empiric-approach/ From: dimitris chloupis theki...@yahoo.co.uk To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 18:58 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? sorry could

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 29.01.2012 19:39, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: No, it does not. Please elaborate: I really can't see the difference between doing a merge (either an easy one or a more diffucult one over multiple files, spread over a couple of days, with intervening changes by others) using either Monticello

Re: [Pharo-project] [Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Steve Wart
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Philippe Marschall kus...@gmx.net wrote: On 29.01.2012 17:29, Steve Wart wrote: Big legacy projects are still using Envy for VisualWorks less for the reasons listed below, but mostly because it's extremely difficult to migrate to Store without doing a big

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 29.01.2012 19:39, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: No, it does not. Please elaborate: I really can't see the difference between doing a merge (either an easy one or a more diffucult one over multiple files, spread over a couple of days, with intervening changes by others) using either Monticello

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Guido Stepken
I often discuss with Frank Lesser about Smalltalk compiler internals. He has written a Smalltalk VM (GVM), that is written in Assembler and jits Smalltalk directly dynamically into Intel machine code, that is *faster* than C in normal cases, expecially when fine tuned, able to run VS, VA, Squeak,

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Chris Muller
But the goal of making the image smaller is congruent with the goal of making Morphic smaller, which would be congruent with the desire for Monticello to be scalable. So the solution should be smaller packages, not more and bigger tools. Besides, the measure of scale you've chosen is an build /

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 29.01.2012 22:31, Chris Muller wrote: But the goal of making the image smaller is congruent with the goal of making Morphic smaller, which would be congruent with the desire for Monticello to be scalable. What are you talking about? I chose Morphic because it was the first package I found

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 29.01.2012 21:12, Guido Stepken wrote: I often discuss with Frank Lesser about Smalltalk compiler internals. He has written a Smalltalk VM (GVM), that is written in Assembler and jits Smalltalk directly dynamically into Intel machine code, that is *faster* than C in normal cases, expecially

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Göran Krampe
On 01/29/2012 05:02 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: PS: one of the things that we should take from git, as many others have said on this list, is selective commits. If I ever get around to picking up Deltas again it would make a really good tool to enable this on top of current MC (or any

Re: [Pharo-project] [Smalltalk for small projects only?

2012-01-29 Thread Göran Krampe
On 01/29/2012 07:02 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: - GSOC 2010 had a proposal l(http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/git-mercurial) - Goran, did this get off the ground? AFAIK, not really. regards, Göran