On 15 January 2012 04:22, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
2. I don't think the image concept works in the current world. I realize
there are many folks who would argue this to death, but the fact is that it
hinders adoption. I believe it would be better to focus on a robust full
Hi:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 09:53, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 15 January 2012 04:22, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
* a TCP-based interface in the Smalltalk image
Okay.. I've dug my foxhole and I'm in it with my helmet on. Fire away!
I hope you guys are aware of Spoon:
Ironically, almost every newbie smalltalk programmer I know LIKES the
IDE and thinks it is better than anything out there.
BTW, if you want to see how smalltalk can be used as an embedded
language, like at f-script... whose IDE, which everyone who uses it,
loves, is very much a standard
On Jan 13, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote:
On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:44 30PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
(but have a backwards-compatible external package)
I think that it will be difficult enough to swap the two events notification
systems
and that we will not make a backward
Thanks thanks thanks and … thanks
Stef
On Jan 13, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Thanks Guille. It works perfect. I have just commited a small fix in
Ocompletion-MarianoMartinezPeck.114 ;)
cheers
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 January 2012 09:08, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote:
Hi:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 09:53, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 15 January 2012 04:22, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
* a TCP-based interface in the Smalltalk image
Okay.. I've dug my foxhole and I'm in it with my helmet
Ah yeas now I remember this is event raising when:to:do:…
Yet another thing unused but not totally and probably a bit shaky.
Some points for the future:
- I do not understand why this is not packaged with EventManager
- We want to remove DependentFields from Object like in CUIS
Hi Frank,
I have a minor nit here: it's not an image that's the problem, it's
living in the image.
Yes. This is pretty much what I was thinking about. Thanks for the
clarification.
Lisps are image-based systems, but one tends to construct one's
working image from a base image + extras.
On 15 January 2012 09:40, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
Hi Frank,
I have a minor nit here: it's not an image that's the problem, it's
living in the image.
Yes. This is pretty much what I was thinking about. Thanks for the
clarification.
Lisps are image-based systems, but one
One could also think on how to efficiently visualize the results of
smallLint ...
See for example the SmallLint results of Seaside 3.0 run by Jenkins:
http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Seaside%203.0/791/checkstyleResult/.
How simon can help concretely?
Make it possible so that code
Hi Lawson,
Ironically, almost every newbie smalltalk programmer I know LIKES the IDE and
thinks it is better than anything out there.
I think this would largely depend on your background and experience. There is a
whole class of developers that refuse to use anything, but vi and emacs. Once
Am 15.01.2012 um 05:22 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hello All,
First, let me apologize for starting the Delphi thing. I only mentioned it as
an example IDE layout. I was not trying to say that the internal workings of
it were good, bad, or indifferent.
I have spent some time playing around
Am 15.01.2012 um 11:16 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hi Lawson,
Ironically, almost every newbie smalltalk programmer I know LIKES the IDE
and thinks it is better than anything out there.
I think this would largely depend on your background and experience. There is
a whole class of developers
Hi Andreas,
Proposals like yours aren't new. In fact there are also complementary
proposals like give up that strange syntax and introduce curly braces
Combined that will lead to either C# or Java.
I am not advocating any changes to the language.
From your ideas I only like the
Hey guys
I'm having a problem with Socket / SocketStream. When I know that the next
packet of data from the server is going to be 10'000 bytes I want to ask the
socket for exactly 10'000 bytes of data (I don't care how long it takes).
However, the comments in the Socket class suggest that the
Hi Andreas,
you are always writing Smalltalk IDE. Which Smalltalk variants do you know?
Squeak and Pharo are not the only ones. There are some others, some
commercial and some free.
If you haven't any experiences with them yet you should at least have a look
at them.
I have looked at Squeak,
Sorry, forget what I just wrote…
I found the bug in my code. Should have checked if the connection is still open
:-/
Cheers,
Max
On 15.01.2012, at 12:09, Max Leske wrote:
Hey guys
I'm having a problem with Socket / SocketStream. When I know that the next
packet of data from the server
Am 15.01.2012 um 12:11 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hi Andreas,
you are always writing Smalltalk IDE. Which Smalltalk variants do you
know? Squeak and Pharo are not the only ones. There are some others, some
commercial and some free.
If you haven't any experiences with them yet you should at
Hello All,
I think I have delivered the message that I intended to. Perhaps this thread
has run it's course. I appreciate y'all taking the time to respond. The
information you provided has been helpful. I have taken another look at the
Smalltalk XY project. It pretty much does everything I
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you would
have different languages and systems to master and update.
Interoperability with other systems and languages
Everything depends on what do you need Smalltalk for.
Pharo fits my need perfectly. The image and having the IDE running in the same
memory than the application are the most important assets for what I use
Smalltalk everyday.
It is like saying that a particular place X is the best place to go
Hi people,
I was trying to measure coverage of my code and I realized the method *TestCase
classpackageNamesUnderTest* belogs to a category called **sunitgui*,
*shouldn't it belong to coverage category?*
I was about opening an issue for this, but I wanted to check it first
because maybe there is
I was trying to measure coverage of my code
http://hapao.dcc.uchile.cl
Cheers,
Alexandre
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Anyone cares?
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What is your email about?
Alexandre
On 15 Jan 2012, at 11:51, Garret Raziel wrote:
Anyone cares?
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Am 15.01.2012 um 13:55 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you would
have different languages and systems to master and update.
#packageNamesUnderTest is only called from *sunitgui. In fact there
should be no such method in TestCase class at all. In my image there
is none.
Lukas
On 15 January 2012 15:36, Nicolás Paez nicop...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi people,
I was trying to measure coverage of my code and I realized the
On 15 January 2012 12:23, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
Hello All,
I think I have delivered the message that I intended to. Perhaps this thread
has run it's course. I appreciate y'all taking the time to respond. The
information you provided has been helpful. I have taken another look
On 15 January 2012 14:08, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com wrote:
Everything depends on what do you need Smalltalk for.
Pharo fits my need perfectly. The image and having the IDE running in the
same memory than the application are the most important assets for what I use
Smalltalk
if the Cusp folks can have an Eclipse plugin using swank to talk to an
SBCL image, I see no impediment to doing the same for Smalltalk: swank
provides a common image-side adapter, and to that you can attach your
Eclipse, IntelliJ, emacs... or just a plain old SSH connection.
Some Smalltalk
I see the problem but I wouldn't know who's responsible.
ConnectionQueuelisteLoop contains the following line:
newConnection := socket waitForConnectionFor: 10
newConnection is later sent the message #isConnected. The problem is that
SocketwaitForConnectionFor: answers true and not a
Can you open a bug entry with code showing the problem?
Now this is not that we do not care but we are busy taking care of family,
team, business…..
Stef
On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Garret Raziel wrote:
Hi, I think I found bug in pharo image. I would post it in bug tracker
but I don't
Hi:
When refactoring code, I frequently try to find all places where a class is
instantiated.
Is there anything in the image which would work a bit more precise than a
search for the class name in the finder?
Thanks
Stefan
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Software Languages Lab
Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Depends on how you use your classes.
If you have have a finite set of constructor methods you can use
'Refactor Search code...' with something like this:
RBParseTreeSearcher new
matches: 'PluggableButtonMorph on: `@.arg1' do: [ :node :answer | node
];
matches:
Hi Lukas:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 17:46, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Depends on how you use your classes.
If you have have a finite set of constructor methods you can use
'Refactor Search code...' with something like this:
RBParseTreeSearcher new
matches: 'PluggableButtonMorph on: `@.arg1'
Ok, I will open the bug. I didn't mean it bad, I just only wanted to know
if it isn't inappropriate to post about bug in mailinglist.
Jan
Hi:
The finder is annoyingly slow when doing string searches.
Compared to a 'grep' its multiple magnitudes slower, at least from my
perception :(
Profiling pointed my at RemoteStringstring and its use of readOnlyCopy on the
SourceFiles.
I put a cache of these read only files into
Update,
we fixed the issue :)
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5175
best
cami
On 2012-01-14, at 22:29, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras wrote:
i try it again with the last image #14283 and it doesn't work
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be
104 classes done
793 classes remaining
Continuing in Compression...
Today: ZipConstants
Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment
Rules:
#1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will
be integrated with name of the author(s).
#2: If you cannot comment
Thanks for having a look at this problem.
With Camillo, we though about using parallel processes but never go further
than an idea :)
Ben
On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Stefan Marr wrote:
Hi:
The finder is annoyingly slow when doing string searches.
Compared to a 'grep' its multiple
But I imagine that you can find these just looking at the users of the classes.
The strength of RBPaserTreeSearcher is when you want to get a specific method
invocation and rewrite it.
Stefan why Shift+N is not enough for you?
Stef
Depends on how you use your classes.
If you have have a
Hi:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 19:06, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Stefan why Shift+N is not enough for you?
Shift+N? I assume you refer to cmd+n on a Mac, which gives me all senders.
Well, senders of #new is not exactly helpful.
Best regards
Stefan
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Software Languages Lab
Vrije
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.dewrote:
Hi:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 19:06, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Stefan why Shift+N is not enough for you?
Shift+N? I assume you refer to cmd+n on a Mac, which gives me all senders.
No. cmd + shift + n gives you the list
I've added a refactoring scope 'Refactoring Scope Instantiations'
that finds all the places where a method is sent to the selected class
that eventually ends up in #basicNew or #basicNew:. If you don't use
reflection this gives better and less false-positives than just the
class references.
just keep in mind that some classes do not instantiating using #new
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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.
Great!.
verified in 14284
Thanks
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Camillo Bruni camillo.br...@inria.frwrote:
Update,
we fixed the issue :)
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5175
best
cami
On 2012-01-14, at 22:29, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras wrote:
i try it again with
Guys, the best thing what can be done is to sit and write down new
GUI/IDE/remote tools/whatever will make your joy with
smalltalk greater.
Talking endlessly how better it would be if there be ... is just
waste of time.
my 2 cents.
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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.
On 15 Jan 2012, at 19:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
No. cmd + shift + n gives you the list of references to a class.
Thanks, that one is useful.
Best regards
Stefan
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Software Languages Lab
Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium
Max,
I wouldn't forget it too soon. Streams should work as advertised or raise an
error. My (compromise) proposal remains as follows:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/StreamsForRobustSoftware
Bill
From:
I've added a refactoring scope 'Refactoring Scope Instantiations'
that finds all the places where a method is sent to the selected class
that eventually ends up in #basicNew or #basicNew:. If you don't use
reflection this gives better and less false-positives than just the
class references.
No. cmd + shift + n gives you the list of references to a class.
Thanks, that one is useful.
I use it al the time :) I would hate to open the finder all the time.
On Jan 15, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Max,
I wouldn't forget it too soon. Streams should work as advertised or raise an
error. My (compromise) proposal remains as follows:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/StreamsForRobustSoftware
Yes :)
I know.
Bill
Good to know, that you're working on it. Took me a while to figure out that
#next: would not fill the entiry buffer...
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to resolve my afore mentioned problem completely.
To make things easier, I sent #upToEnd to my SocketStream, expecting to get all
the data (and
On 15 Jan 2012, at 21:19, Max Leske wrote:
Camillo is now looking into ithe SocketStream stuff but if any of you have a
clue what could be going on, I'd appreciate your help.
Have a look at Zodiac too, although it is an implementation of a secure socket
stream, it also contains different
Thanks Sven, I'll give it a shot.
Max
On 15.01.2012, at 21:26, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 21:19, Max Leske wrote:
Camillo is now looking into ithe SocketStream stuff but if any of you have a
clue what could be going on, I'd appreciate your help.
Have a look at
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Max Leske wrote:
Good to know, that you're working on it. Took me a while to figure out that
#next: would not fill the entiry buffer…
I'm not. I just know that bill tried to explain to us what was the problem :)
and since the emails/sentences were too long or
Don't all eventually use #basicNew ?
On 1/15/12 11:39 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
just keep in mind that some classes do not instantiating using #new
A remote squeak image that is used to handle OpenGL calls (or other
external lib calls) and pass error codes back to the main IDE might be
useful for OpenGL (or other external lib) debugging. VM support could be
made so that error checking could be handled below the level of the
interpreter
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
First, let me apologize for starting the Delphi thing. I only mentioned it
as an example IDE layout. I was not trying to say that the internal
workings of it were good, bad, or indifferent.
I think there's a lot to be
About 4 moons have passed and Amber - the Smalltalk for the web - has
during that time moved forward quite a lot. Since the 0.9 release back
in september we have made about 250 commits and closed 52 issues of
about 75 reported during these months.
Now with over 43 forks on github and more than
On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you
would have different languages and systems to master and update.
I don't just write English, I also write Smalltalk :) I had put some related
code on SqueakMap, but I suspect it disappeared in one of the meltdowns. It
also picked up some code that I had not intended to release, which led me to be
unhappy with http repositories.
The code varies in quality,
Hi Jimmie,
Good stuff!! Thanks so much for taking the time to read and reply to my post.
Any and all feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Thanks Again,
Gerry
-Original Message-
From: Jimmie Houchin jlhouc...@gmail.com
To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Date: 01/15/12
+100
On 16 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you
would have different
Nice work guys !
Laurent
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Nicolas Petton petton.nico...@gmail.comwrote:
About 4 moons have passed and Amber - the Smalltalk for the web - has
during that time moved forward quite a lot. Since the 0.9 release back
in september we have made about 250 commits
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