Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17
Courtesy, lad, courtesy - sadly lacking in the kids of today...obviously. And he obviously doesn't know it's broken. And it might not be - could be a ratchet gear problem. And if it is, and he said he can lift the board, he should be able to get a pair of pliers in to hold a shaft. Antique Phonograph List wrote: What does his/her name have to do with anything? And it seems he/she already knows it's got a broken spring. I don't have any experience with these, so I don't have any advice to offer. Wish I did. But I've got lots of advice for the person who wrote that snarky response... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 08/24/2015 7:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17 Anybody wanna identify themselves...then maybe someone will tell you it's got a broken spring. Antique Phonograph List wrote: A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem: I can't remove the crank. It turns, but nothing happens with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning. I managed to lift up the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the gears. Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter happen. The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an ill-advised idea anyway. (I already stripped them all a little just trying to get them to turn.) Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, and what I should do next? It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk away from it if I don't have to. Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either. It doesn't appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise...
[Phono-L] alligatored finish on a cabinet
Following up on a previous post, how do you deal with a cabinet with an alligatored finish? I'm not sure I've ever come across a mahogany crank phonograph that DIDN'T have an alligatored finish (with the possible exception of some tabletops, for some reason), so perhaps they're inevitable and thus shouldn't bother me, but they do; are the only options to live with the machine as it, or re-finish it? The latter is something I would not likely be able to do myself (no workshop at present), but I know having someone else do it for you can be a very expensive proposition. How do you feel about/deal with alligatored cabinets? Refinish? Ignore? Don't buy the machine at all?
Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17
What does his/her name have to do with anything? And it seems he/she already knows it's got a broken spring. I don't have any experience with these, so I don't have any advice to offer. Wish I did. But I've got lots of advice for the person who wrote that snarky response... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 08/24/2015 7:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17 Anybody wanna identify themselves...then maybe someone will tell you it's got a broken spring. Antique Phonograph List wrote: A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem: I can't remove the crank. It turns, but nothing happens with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning. I managed to lift up the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the gears. Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter happen. The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an ill-advised idea anyway. (I already stripped them all a little just trying to get them to turn.) Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, and what I should do next? It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk away from it if I don't have to. Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either. It doesn't appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise...
Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17
Can you detach the motor plate from the wood at its hinge? If you can take the crank knob off and take off the crank escutcheon, you might be able to remove the motor with the crank or at least get the winding shaft in position to hold it with a pair of pliers so that you can undo the crank. I seem to recall a gear in the winding chain of gears that can go bad. If that is the case, I may have a spare. A neighbor made two for me many years ago. Or, if the center spindle turns backwards with the crank, can you grab that with pliers (protect the shaft surface with a bit of leather perhaps? The reproducer is probably pot metal, even if the plating looks good. That it does not turn is a problem. You might be able to get it off with the freezer trick. Remove the positioning pin and spring first. Add penetrating oil. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:43 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17 A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem: I can't remove the crank. It turns, but nothing happens with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning. I managed to lift up the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the gears. Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter happen. The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an ill-advised idea anyway. (I already stripped them all a little just trying to get them to turn.) Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, and what I should do next? It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk away from it if I don't have to. Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either. It doesn't appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise... Image removed by sender.
[Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Mignonette (later style)
I have an opportunity to pick one of these up; it's a nice-looking machine, and complete, though the spring(s) need to be replaced, and the mahogany finish is all alligatored. Does anyone have any experience with these? Particularly, I'd like to know a) how many springs the motor has; b) how they sound; and c) are there any other issues with the pre-WWI Grafonolas I should be aware of? I've never owned one before. Thanks!
Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick 17
Anybody wanna identify themselves...then maybe someone will tell you it's got a broken spring. Antique Phonograph List wrote: A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem: I can't remove the crank. It turns, but nothing happens with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning. I managed to lift up the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the gears. Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter happen. The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an ill-advised idea anyway. (I already stripped them all a little just trying to get them to turn.) Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, and what I should do next? It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk away from it if I don't have to. Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either. It doesn't appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise...
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Mignonette (later style)
I imagine it will need a reproducer rebuild. Does the arm move freely? The springs are not terribly hard to replace. I've done a number of Grafonola springs although probably not one on as early a machine. You can estimate the number of springs by looking at the barrel(s) . They don't work the same as Victrola springs so I think it is OK to replace just one if needs be. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Mignonette (later style) I have an opportunity to pick one of these up; it's a nice-looking machine, and complete, though the spring(s) need to be replaced, and the mahogany finish is all alligatored. Does anyone have any experience with these? Particularly, I'd like to know a) how many springs the motor has; b) how they sound; and c) are there any other issues with the pre-WWI Grafonolas I should be aware of? I've never owned one before. Thanks! Image removed by sender.
[Phono-L] Brunswick 17
A friend told me about someone who found an old Brunswick 17 in their barn, and I went out to see it, excited, but discovered it has a very odd problem: I can't remove the crank. It turns, but nothing happens with the motor; when you crank it counterclockwise, the crank doesn't unthread from the shaft, probably because there is nothing to stop the shaft from turning. I managed to lift up the motor board enough to see that this is the case, and that the barrel is turning, but not the gears. Obviously, I can't remove the motor without first detaching the crank, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the latter happen. The only thing I can think of is to detach the motor (anyone know how many springs it has?) from the metal motor plate, but those screws won't budge, and I'm wondering if this seems like an ill-advised idea anyway. (I already stripped them all a little just trying to get them to turn.) Any thoughts on what is wrong with it, and what I should do next? It's a nice phonograph, and I hate to walk away from it if I don't have to. Oh, and the Ultona reproducer doesn't rotate, either. It doesn't appear to be pot metal, but I'm not sure what the problem might be otherwise...
