Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Or perhaps more accurately half-vast. ? bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
I would not assume he is trying to cheat anyone. The paint does look aged and could have very likely been done when it was new.It looks professional, Although it was certainly not done at the factory, he may just not know that. -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:53 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Wow what a thread. I have a beautiful branded case gem, mint even with the recorder. I also have some decals from the 50's that are flowers. I'm willing to paint the whole thing black and add the flowers to the case and horn. I will throw in a very early Edison Gem horn that has no decal but Edison's script signature, like I said early. I will be careful applying the old water slide decals to the case and horn. I can add a bit of gold pin striping. I was thinking a satin black on the lid. Any offers? Now I'm not serious of course it's just too nice a Gem. Just making a subtle point. Done today horrifying, done fifty years ago double or triple the money? Now to be fair I collect many things I do appreciate age/value. I even have some folk art. Mike Oldcranky. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: My 0.02 is on a early 50s antique shop with a big pile of these to move out for 15.00ea original and $20.00 decorated. On 04/09/2011 10:13 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on the lid. This did not come from the factory like that. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Ya know, I've done a good bit of assuming myself. He doesn't say anywhere that this was done at the factory. He just says its decorated and rare. Someone liked it enough to pay $1257 for it, I hope they didn't think it was factory decorated. John --- On Sun, 4/10/11, b...@taney.com b...@taney.com wrote: From: b...@taney.com b...@taney.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 9:12 AM I would not assume he is trying to cheat anyone. The paint does look aged and could have very likely been done when it was new.It looks professional, Although it was certainly not done at the factory, he may just not know that. -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:53 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
It does represent a spruced up GEM of times past. Not ever being factory should not be an issue. This independent refurbishment was common in the 20s and 30s due to the wonderful economic conditions of the times. Well preserved examples are less than common though. On 04/10/2011 11:39 AM, The Farmers wrote: What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
I agree with you Greg Farmer. - Original Message - From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Decorated Gem
I can't help myself... My mother-in-law did toll painting back in the sixties and seventies and it looks exactly like the Gem. If anyone likes, I could show her the photos for her opinion. It looks like a sixties job to me. Wow, that's fifty years ago! Jerry B. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
In a message dated 4/10/11 4:33:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: I can't help myself... My mother-in-law did toll painting back in the sixties and seventies and it looks exactly like the Gem. If anyone likes, I could show her the photos for her opinion. It looks like a sixties job to me. Wow, that's fifty years ago! Jerry B. Fifty years ago qualifies as new. But show it to your mother-in-law anyway to see what she thinks. And while you're at it, play her I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. By the way, what is toll painting? --Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay
I have some very rare popcorn bowls or candy dishes that were made by Victor and they look like real records... very rare because I haven't seen many of them (thank goodness). Any takers for $600 before I list them on eBay and find a sucker willing to pay $1,000? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
I think Jerry meant tole painting. I seem to recall he got beat up pretty bad over a typographical error a while back and he took it all very well. Let's just let this once pass. Jerry contributes a lot to the group and to the hobby in general and certainly deserves a break now and then. Dave --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 8:03 PM I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. One of my favorite songs... By the way, what is toll painting? In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a toll on your health, because paint contained lead. :) From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:17:20 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem In a message dated 4/10/11 4:33:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: I can't help myself... My mother-in-law did toll painting back in the sixties and seventies and it looks exactly like the Gem. If anyone likes, I could show her the photos for her opinion. It looks like a sixties job to me. Wow, that's fifty years ago! Jerry B. Fifty years ago qualifies as new. But show it to your mother-in-law anyway to see what she thinks. And while you're at it, play her I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. By the way, what is toll painting? --Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
In a message dated 4/10/11 6:06:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: By the way, what is toll painting? In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a toll on your health, because paint contained lead. :) OK. Since I knew you made up that bit of information I went and Googled Toll painting. It's actually spelled Tole painting and is a form of folk art with pictures on the internet strongly resembleling the Gem phono. Who knows when the phono was painted?? It could very well have been in the 1960s when it apparently was popular. --Art ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Smith's Horns
Hello Jay, It is a beautiful machine and in my opinion it would sell for more than a regular Gem. I like how someone fixed it up. Speaking of fixing things up does anyone have any photos of the horns the Smiths used to sell that they had restored? They came to the Orlando show and just seeing their horns was worth the price of admission. I never thought to photograph them until it was too late. Steve Factory painted or not, I think it looks nice. If I wanted a gem, I would buy it, if the price was right. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
The TOLE painting took a toll on everybody who's stuck with it now! Much like the guilt he felt over the gilt!!! Vinyl Visions wrote: I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. One of my favorite songs... By the way, what is toll painting? In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a toll on your health, because paint contained lead. :) From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:17:20 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem In a message dated 4/10/11 4:33:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: I can't help myself... My mother-in-law did toll painting back in the sixties and seventies and it looks exactly like the Gem. If anyone likes, I could show her the photos for her opinion. It looks like a sixties job to me. Wow, that's fifty years ago! Jerry B. Fifty years ago qualifies as new. But show it to your mother-in-law anyway to see what she thinks. And while you're at it, play her I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. By the way, what is toll painting? --Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
In a message dated 4/10/11 6:06:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: By the way, what is toll painting? In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a toll on your health, because paint contained lead. :) OK. Since I knew that you made that bit of information up--I went and Googled toll painting. It's is actually spelled Tole painting and it's a form of folk art with examples showing flowered designs very similar to that on the Gem phono. Who knows when it was painted?? I'll bet in the 1960s when it was popular. --Art ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Apparently it didn't hurt the price on this one... $1,200+ That's what is puzzling about eBay. Some great items go cheap, and others - like this GEM and the Frankenphone with the PVC horn elbow from a few weeks ago, go over the top. Don't get me wrong - the GEM was attractively done, but it would be great at $400-500, not $1,200. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:34:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? HI STEVE I AGREE I HAVE SEVERAL COLLECTOR FRIENDS WHO HAVE ONE OFF CASES THAT WERE DONE BY OWNERS OF THE PERIOD WITH SOME VERY FANCY EMBELISHMENTS I AGREE IT MAY HURT THE PRICE BUT THEY ARE INTERESTING JUST THE SAME ZONO -Original Message- From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
HI STEVE I AGREE I HAVE SEVERAL COLLECTOR FRIENDS WHO HAVE ONE OFF CASES THAT WERE DONE BY OWNERS OF THE PERIOD WITH SOME VERY FANCY EMBELISHMENTS I AGREE IT MAY HURT THE PRICE BUT THEY ARE INTERESTING JUST THE SAME ZONO -Original Message- From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Spelling Error!
OK, it's tole painting. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
There's a folk-painting style called 'rosemaling'. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as tole-painting, but it's quite similar. From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:28:47 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem In a message dated 4/10/11 6:06:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: By the way, what is toll painting? In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a toll on your health, because paint contained lead. :) OK. Since I knew that you made that bit of information up--I went and Googled toll painting. It's is actually spelled Tole painting and it's a form of folk art with examples showing flowered designs very similar to that on the Gem phono. Who knows when it was painted?? I'll bet in the 1960s when it was popular. --Art ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
