Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola - electric motor question

[Peter Fraser via Phono-L]

I know enough about them to use one to shock you...

But seriously if you can send a good bunch of pictures some of us might be able 
to help. Wires and the location where they connect, jacks or connectors, 
switches, any labeling or badges, etc. 

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> On Nov 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Robert Wright via Phono-L  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone? No one here knows about these Columbia electric motors? I would be 
> shocked if that were true!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Robert Wright via Phono-L 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, all! Got a question on behalf of a lovely couple I get this weekend 
>> regarding a big, beautiful Columbia Grafonola. I was going to find them a 
>> crank for it, since they thought that's what was missing, but upon further 
>> inspection, it's got the same situation as in the attached ad. Pretty cool, 
>> and super clean as well.
>> 
>> Problem is: how do you connect this motor to an outlet? No cable included 
>> (that's the easy part), couple of loose wires, not sure what does what... I 
>> only know Victor induction motors! Anyone have a schematic for getting this 
>> thing wired up back to original spec? I'd sure love to help these folks if 
>> possible. 
>> 
>> Thanks from them and myself in advance!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Robert
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Re: [Phono-L] CPS1

[Peter Fraser via Phono-L]

Just forwarded your note to John. 

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Immortal Performances via Phono-L 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’d appreciate information on John Levin’s CPS1 cylinder phonograph.
>  
> Very truly yours,
>  
>  
> 
> Jim Cartwright
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Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems

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I’m still here too!

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> On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L  
> wrote:
> 
> Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve 
> only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did 
> find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak 
> spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after 
> traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft 
> wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the 
> governor shaft, and all was well.
> 
> Jim Nichol
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The old spring was 5/8 by .018.   I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022  which 
>> seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe.  It’s a NOS 
>> Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!).  It may be a bit better.  I 
>> think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the 
>> reproduce a bit.  That may let it play through an 8” record.   
>>  
>> Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list.  NO 
>> one else commented.
>>  
>>  
>> Ron L
>>  
>> From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker 
>> via Phono-L
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM
>> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
>> Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
>>  
>> Ron,
>>  
>> What is the width of the spring?
>>  
>> The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby 
>> Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape 
>> holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet.
>>  
>> For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet.
>>  
>> I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder.
>>  
>> Best wishes,
>>  
>> Mike Tucker
>>  
>> From: Phono-L  On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via 
>> Phono-L
>> Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM
>> To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' 
>> 
>> Cc: Ron L'Herault 
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
>>  
>> I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems.  This is a Vertical 
>> only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball.   The 
>> governor springs were wrong.  I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are 
>> pretty close.  Had to make a lower bearing for the governor.  It’s  tad 
>> sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows 
>> half way into the side.   I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long 
>> and maybe too thick).  S,  what size should the spring be?  There is a 
>> dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the 
>> upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear?  
>> Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or 
>> flat disk there?Anybody know?  And does anyone know the actual length, 
>> width, thickness of the gov. springs?
>>  
>> Thanks, 
>>  
>> Ron L
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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick "Cortez" Questions

[Peter Fraser via Phono-L]

Of course you must rebuild the reproducer. I have a Brunswick Panatrope 
portable from the same era. 

Its reproducer was rebuilt by the late Bob Waltrip, who was a master. That 
little machine sounds fantastic, and other than in bottom end response, it 
gives almost any full size machine a real run for its money.

I’d recommend sending yours off to Wyatt Marcus, who is extremely talented and 
reasonably priced.

Beware - the reproducer is likely pot metal, and so you might have things end 
tragically if you try to do it yourself. Wyatt is going to be your best bet on 
that front, as well. 

Good luck. I’ve not yet heard a Cortez in person, but I know people are 
extremely devoted to them. 

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> On Mar 27, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Immortal Performances via Phono-L 
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> 
> I recently obtained a Brunswick “Cortez” phonograph which I have long wanted. 
>   Have taken steps to obtain the best possible sound quality from it by 
> sealing the tone arm joints with vasoline & using putty to seal the 
> connection between the base of the tone arm to the top of the passage leading 
> to the horn but am still disappointed in the results, noticeably inferior to 
> the similar size Columbia Viva-tonal 800 & 810 & the Victrola Orthophonic 
> “Credenza” as well as the Victrola  10-50 changer. ( For playing acoustically 
> recorded records the earlier Brunswicks with the “Ultona”tone arm & soundbox 
> & much  smaller horns than the “Cortez” actually sound better than the 
> “Cortez” – in nearly all cases I find them best of all acoustic  phonographs 
> for playing acoustic records.)  
>  
> The “Cortez” horn itself appears to be in excellent condition without any 
> noticeable cracks or open  joints which might cause air leaks.   This leaves 
> only the sound box which also appears to be in excellent condition though the 
> gold plating is worn. 
>  
> Have any of you with Brunswick “Cortez” machines found that the reproduction 
> is improved by having its  sound box restored?   If so, who would you 
> recommend to undertake the restoration or is this something that can be done 
> by the local repairman?   Are appropriate gaskets, etc. available for 
> restoring a Brunswick “Cortez” soundbox?
>  
> Am still searching for the knife hinges for the front doors of the “Cortez” & 
> one missing front door knob.
>  
> Any ideas will be much appreciated.
>  
> Jim Cartwright
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Re: [Phono-L] C-4 DD stylus

[Peter Fraser via Phono-L]

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=11=20944=10

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> On Feb 16, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L  
> wrote:
> 
> Was told that it is an Edison product.  The little jar it is in has the 
> number6927 on it.
>  
> Ron L
>  
> From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bogantz 
> via Phono-L
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 5:56 PM
> To: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L
> Cc: Greg Bogantz
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] C-4 DD stylus
>  
> I don't think that playing DDs is what this stylus was intended to do.  
> To be effective for playing vertical cut discs with a lateral pickup, the 
> stylus assembly has to have the tip considerably offset to the side relative 
> to the line of the shank.  This allows the assembly to be a lever that 
> translates vertical motion to lateral motion.  This stylus looks like an 
> early jeweled tip intended for lateral pickups or reproducers.
> 
> Greg Bogantz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/16/2018 3:20 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote:
> Could the stylus in the attached image be for an Edison C-4 to allow it to 
> play Diamond Discs?
>  
> Ron L
> 
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Re: [Phono-L] C-4 DD stylus

[Peter Fraser via Phono-L]

Geometry is wrong for it to play verticals in a lateral pickup. Do a search on 
“Hughes Stylus” for an example of something that does. 

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> On Feb 16, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L  
> wrote:
> 
> Was told that it is an Edison product.  The little jar it is in has the 
> number6927 on it.
>  
> Ron L
>  
> From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bogantz 
> via Phono-L
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 5:56 PM
> To: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L
> Cc: Greg Bogantz
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] C-4 DD stylus
>  
> I don't think that playing DDs is what this stylus was intended to do.  
> To be effective for playing vertical cut discs with a lateral pickup, the 
> stylus assembly has to have the tip considerably offset to the side relative 
> to the line of the shank.  This allows the assembly to be a lever that 
> translates vertical motion to lateral motion.  This stylus looks like an 
> early jeweled tip intended for lateral pickups or reproducers.
> 
> Greg Bogantz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/16/2018 3:20 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote:
> Could the stylus in the attached image be for an Edison C-4 to allow it to 
> play Diamond Discs?
>  
> Ron L
> 
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Re: [Phono-L] phonophan

[Peter Fraser via Phono-L]

I no longer have any idea WTP we are talking about here. 

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> On Mar 6, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Philip Carli via Phono-L  
> wrote:
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> Easy to be that way in Phlorida...PC
> From: Tim Fabrizio 
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:31 AM
> To: Philip Carli; phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
>  
> I phear we've phlogged the phun out of this phoolishness. Phrankly, I'm 
> phinished! TF 
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Carli 
> To: Tim Fabrizio via Phono-L 
> Cc: Tim Fabrizio 
> Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2016 12:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
> 
> 
> Because we all would have looked at it as a phoolish, phrivolous phabrication 
> of phebrile phantasy. PC
> From: Phono-L  on behalf of Tim Fabrizio via 
> Phono-L 
> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 11:03 PM
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Cc: Tim Fabrizio
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
>  
> If I may depart from all this frivolity for a moment-- I very much appreciate 
> Ken Brekke's words, but the fact is I came to the understanding a while ago 
> that there were only so many ways you can do clever things with "phono" and 
> another word. So, inevitably, different people are going to come up with the 
> same idea. That's life. I probably should have called myself PhonoPhabrizio. 
> Why didn't I think of this sooner!!??  TF 
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Brekke via Phono-L 
> To: Antique Phonograph List 
> Cc: Ken Brekke 
> Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2016 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
> 
> 
> Just to clear my name, several years ago when I signed up to Fleabay, I 
> used Phono-Phan as a ID not knowing about Phonophan, Tim Fabrizio. I 
> have used it on the TMF also. When I found out about Phonophan, Tim 
> Fabrizio, and talked to him about it at the Union show and there wasn't 
> a problem. I don't know who is using his ID on Youtube.
> 
> P.S. Tim, how is the Herzog horn wood graining coming? I would love to 
> see how it ended up.
> 
> Ken Brekke
> 
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Re: [Phono-L] phonophan

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Thanks be to God for small miracles.  Nothing would prepare us for two of them. 

You see, I have seen Tim in person.  I've not seen the the imposter, but still. 
 

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> On Mar 5, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Tim Fabrizio via Phono-L  
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> Thanks for the clarification!   The guy on Youtube didn't look like you 
> either.
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Re: [Phono-L] Veteran's Day and Armistice Day

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I drive around with one on the stem of my car's windshield rear view mirror. 
Sadly, they are no longer handed out on the streets of San Francisco.

That's very troubling to me. 

My grandfather's brother, Eugene Pendleton Carver, was C-in-C of the VFW in the 
20s, having served with Pershing in Mexico and France.

Imagine how it would be if we decided to send a force into Mexico today!

Does anyone know of any records celebrating the end of the Great War in song or 
otherwise?  Other than LUNF of course. 

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> On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:53 AM, harvey kravitz via Phono-L 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have one on my VFW hat. :)
> Harvey Kravitz
> 
> From: Jim Cartwright via Phono-L 
> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'  
> Cc: Jim Cartwright  
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Veteran's Day
> 
> Wear a poppy!
>  
> Jim Cartwright
>  
> 
> 
> From: harvey kravitz via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:05 PM
> To: Oregon Territory Antique Phonograph Society; Antique Phonograph List
> Cc: harvey kravitz
> Subject: [Phono-L] Veteran's Day
>  
> I want to wish the membership of this Forum a wonderful Veteran's Day. Please 
> take time to think about the sacrifices our men and women made so we can 
> enjoy the freedoms that we take for granted. Also, play your patriotic disk 
> and cylinder records to reflect the meaning of Veteran's Day.
> Harvey Kravitz
> 
> 
> 
> 

[Phono-L] Why our hobby is completely incomprehensible to youth

[Peter Fraser]

http://gizmodo.com/kids-reacting-to-an-old-cassette-walkman-is-wonderful-a-1562953596

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Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)

[Peter Fraser]

It's a logical assumption. 

I believe that if I listen to something that was marketed at the same time as 
the device upon which I'm listening to it, I will have the most authentic 
experience.

There are many others that don't agree with that and I'm certainly not 
intending to open the door to that discussion once again!

There's just a certain whompiness to the bass that comes when you play Victor 
late 20s electrics on a big orthophonic machine, that doesn't seem to come any 
other way.

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 The phrase period appropriate is an interesting one.  I've heard it said 
 that the window for records to produce optimal sound on an oprthophonic 
 machine is about 1925-1930; before that and their not orthophonic, after that 
 and they were recorded for optimal reproduction with an electric 
 pickup/speaker.  Does that sound right to you, or not?
 
 From: pjfra...@mac.com
 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:27:31 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)
 
 I had an 8-4; they sound great. They don't have the bass response that the 
 credenza has, but they will certainly knock your socks off if you've never 
 had an orthophonic before.
 
 Don't sweat the pot metal thing, if the price is right you should buy the 
 machine and deal with the tonearm mount if you need to later.
 
 I tend to listen to period-appropriate records on each machine, and an 
 orthophonic will certainly play up the deficiencies of acoustic recordings.  
 But you can't go wrong with a big orthophonic like an 8-4!
 
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 On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been offered a Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4), and I'm wondering what to do. I 
 haven't seen it in person yet, so I don't know if it has any pot metal 
 issues; does this particular model tend to develop those? And if so, where? 
 Just the tone arm mount, or the tone arm itself? How about the reproducer? 
 And just as important, how do these machines sound? I've never owned an 
 orthophonic before (see other post) -- just earlier acoustic machines, and 
 electric machines from the late 1920's on. Do acoustic records sound best 
 on acoustic machines? And do later records (say, 1926 and later) sound 
 better on orthophonic machines, or electric? I know this is a matter of 
 personal preference, but I'd be very interested to hear your opinion. And 
 does anyone out there own an actual VV 8-4? If so, how does it sound 
 compared to, say, a Credenza, or a high-end Columbia Viva-Tonal? (I've seen 
 the videos on YouTube, but it's hard to get a sense of how they actually 
 sound that way.) If I want to add
  a
 n 
 orthophonic to my collection at some point, would I be much better off with 
 a Credenza or some comparable machine? And what would be a fair price for 
 an 8-4 in decent condition, assuming it doesn't need any work?
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic vs. Electric?

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At that cheap price, just get the 8-4. Who knows when a credenza will turn up 
locally? It's better to be able to enjoy it now, and then improve it when you 
have a chance.

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Bill.  It sounds like there's definitely a go big or go home school 
 when it comes to orthophonics.  Since I probably only have room for one 
 machine, I suspect many out there would advise me to hold out for a Credenza. 
  Do you think most 80+ year-old orthophonic horns need to be re-sealed?
 
 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 21:38:41 -0400
 From: rochr...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic vs. Electric?
 
 For years I poo-pooed listening to electric records on an Orthophonic
 machine, always playing them instead on a modern turntable with a collector
 noise reduction unit.  But I discovered that I had never heard a properly
 restored Orthophonic machine playing a Victor Orthophonic record.  By
 properly restored I mean a Credenza that has had the horn resealed, the
 felt gasket between horn neck and tone arm replaced and sealed, and which
 used a good rebuilt Orthophonic reproducer.  This type of machine plays
 magnificently!  The warmth and depth of tone is wonderful.  While dance
 records are great played on a restored Credenza, some of the 12 Victor
 Gems records offer the best way to hear the machine because you can
 hear wonderful voices, a full orchestra as well as great 1920s tunes.  The
 same record played on a modern system does not have the same quality.
 Perhaps if I were an engineer or musician I could express more clearly what
 the difference is.  But I have been converted.
 
 Since that first experience I have bought and restored my own Credenza and
 then later a 10-50 and a 9-40.  I must say that in the 9-40, one has the
 chance of hearing an Orthophonic record played with both an Orthophonic
 reproducer and an early electric reproducer/amp, as the machine has one of
 each.  While they both play through the biggest Orthophonic horn available
 from Victor, the Orthophonic reproducer sounds the best.  All things being
 equal in this machine (restored acoustical as well as electric components),
 the early electric reproducer, amp, and WE designed driver doesn't match
 (IMHO) the tonal quality of the Orthophonic reproducer. These machines were
 the apex of acoustical playback.  I continue to be amazed at how much air
 these machines can move.
 
 I must admit that I play the bulk of my collection on a modern turntable
 but I have a much smaller collection of 1920s electrically-recorded records
 that I play only on my big Orthophonic and/or early electric machines.  If
 you have the room, buy a Cradenza and restore it.  They haven't been as
 cheap as they are now in years.
 
 Regards,
 Bill Zucca
 
 
 On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:48 PM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.netwrote:
 
 Well, I for one am a HUGE fan of the 8-9.  The sound is excellent, the
 machine has a great look to it (and beautifully blends in with my Arts 
 Crafts furniture), and it's not so big as to take over the room.  They
 don't have that 1920s walnut dining room look to them which looks out of
 place anywhere besides a 1920s movie set.  I see them offered for around
 $800-1,500 at Union, but usually quite a bit less at auction.
 
 Also, they have a metal horn like the English Re-Entrant models which some
 believe gives a better sound.
 
 Besides, Victor told it's dealers that they would appeal to Americans of
 foreign extraction and owners of lunch rooms and confectioner shops so I
 guess my Grandfather George Dimpapas and my Grandfather Apostolos Glastris
 would have had them in their respective diners and candy shops in the 1920s.
 
 -Original Message- From: Richard
 Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:03 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic vs. Electric?
 
 
 I've never owned an orthophonic machine, but have recently been offered
 the chance to buy one (see other post), and I'm wondering if I should. My
 main concern has been one of sound quality; I've always suspected that
 acoustic records sound better on older, acoustic machines, and
 orthophonic/electric records sound best on electric machines. But this
 opportunity has me wondering: How do orthophonic/electric records sound
 when played on an orthophonic machine sound compared to when they're played
 on an electric machine (say, from the late 1920's or early 1930's)? All
 opinions are welcome, but what I'm really looking for is a comparison --
 not just better or worse, but how they're different. And how do older
 acoustic records sound on an orthophonic machine? (In my humble opinion,
 they don't sound all that great on an electrical machine.) Finally, if I
 were to add one orthophonic machine to my collection someday, which one
 would you recommend if my top consideration is sound q
 uality?
 
 

Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Peter Fraser]

It's a Grand. They cost $250 in golden, fumed, early english, or mission oak, 
brown mahogany, or mahogany. 24w x 51h x 24d. 

It's the lesser of the top three. The others were the Invincible I ($375) and 
II ($500, because it had the wood tonearm added) and the Supreme - a fugly 
monster which was $1000, including a matching record cabinet.

Bombe cabinet models below it were the Elite and the Baby Grand. 

Sent from my iPhone

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be 
 one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble 
 identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I 
 be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone 
 arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never 
 seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been 
 mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share 
 photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's 
 supposed to look like with the doors open.
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Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)

[Peter Fraser]

I had an 8-4; they sound great. They don't have the bass response that the 
credenza has, but they will certainly knock your socks off if you've never had 
an orthophonic before.

Don't sweat the pot metal thing, if the price is right you should buy the 
machine and deal with the tonearm mount if you need to later.

I tend to listen to period-appropriate records on each machine, and an 
orthophonic will certainly play up the deficiencies of acoustic recordings.  
But you can't go wrong with a big orthophonic like an 8-4!

Sent from my iPhone

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 On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been offered a Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4), and I'm wondering what to do. I 
 haven't seen it in person yet, so I don't know if it has any pot metal 
 issues; does this particular model tend to develop those? And if so, where? 
 Just the tone arm mount, or the tone arm itself? How about the reproducer? 
 And just as important, how do these machines sound? I've never owned an 
 orthophonic before (see other post) -- just earlier acoustic machines, and 
 electric machines from the late 1920's on. Do acoustic records sound best on 
 acoustic machines? And do later records (say, 1926 and later) sound better on 
 orthophonic machines, or electric? I know this is a matter of personal 
 preference, but I'd be very interested to hear your opinion. And does anyone 
 out there own an actual VV 8-4? If so, how does it sound compared to, say, a 
 Credenza, or a high-end Columbia Viva-Tonal? (I've seen the videos on 
 YouTube, but it's hard to get a sense of how they actually sound that way.) 
 If I want to add a
 n 
 orthophonic to my collection at some point, would I be much better off with a 
 Credenza or some comparable machine? And what would be a fair price for an 
 8-4 in decent condition, assuming it doesn't need any work?
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)

[Peter Fraser]

$200 is great unless it has horrible cosmetics and busted springs. Depends upon 
whether you want form, function, or both.  You'll want a Peter Wall rebuild of 
the reproducer to realize the full acoustic potential, although some ortho 
reproducers are passable as-found.

Bass on a credenza is better because the horn is larger, of course.  Not louder 
or cleaner, just a little deeper. I had both for a while, side by side, and 
there's not all that much difference. You'll love the 8-4 after only having 
listened to pre-orthos.

Go check it out and let us know what you find. 

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 On Mar 15, 2014, at 5:32 PM, richard_rubin richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. Why do you suppose the bass response is better on the Credenza -- is 
 the horn that much louder? Is it that noticeable? And what do you think the 
 right price range would be? The guy seems to want $200; I doubt he'd go below 
 $150. And I'm not sure what kind of work it might need...
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Samsung tablet
 
  Original message 
 From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
 Date:03/15/2014  7:50 PM  (GMT-05:00)
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)
 
 I had an 8-4; they sound great. They don't have the bass response that the 
 credenza has, but they will certainly knock your socks off if you've never 
 had an orthophonic before.
 
 Don't sweat the pot metal thing, if the price is right you should buy the 
 machine and deal with the tonearm mount if you need to later.
 
 I tend to listen to period-appropriate records on each machine, and an 
 orthophonic will certainly play up the deficiencies of acoustic recordings.  
 But you can't go wrong with a big orthophonic like an 8-4!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been offered a Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4), and I'm wondering what to do. I 
 haven't seen it in person yet, so I don't know if it has any pot metal 
 issues; does this particular model tend to develop those? And if so, where? 
 Just the tone arm mount, or the tone arm itself? How about the reproducer? 
 And just as important, how do these machines sound? I've never owned an 
 orthophonic before (see other post) -- just earlier acoustic machines, and 
 electric machines from the late 1920's on. Do acoustic records sound best on 
 acoustic machines? And do later records (say, 1926 and later) sound better 
 on orthophonic machines, or electric? I know this is a matter of personal 
 preference, but I'd be very interested to hear your opinion. And does anyone 
 out there own an actual VV 8-4? If so, how does it sound compared to, say, a 
 Credenza, or a high-end Columbia Viva-Tonal? (I've seen the videos on 
 YouTube, but it's hard to get a sense of how they actually sound that way.) 
 If I want to add 
 a
 n
 orthophonic to my collection at some point, would I be much better off with 
 a Credenza or some comparable machine? And what would be a fair price for an 
 8-4 in decent condition, assuming it doesn't need any work?
 
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Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE

[Peter Fraser]

Oh I'm sure most of us enjoyed watching the whole tableau unfold on a slow 
winters' day.

I know I did.

Such drama!  Which Ken will get it? Do both Kens actually want it? Is the Ken 
that wants it the same Ken that Shawn thinks the Ken is?  And what does Ken 
think the other Ken is thinking?  Since the H is gone, will Shawn offer the 
other Ken a K?  Can the Kens do the Can-Can?

Now, where's my medication? I know I left it here someplace.

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 On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:46 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Jim 
 
 
 I apologize to the list. 
 
 
 Shawn 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Jim Nichol
 Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎4‎:‎19‎ ‎PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 
 
 
 
 
 Shawn, the reason you and Ken D. are confused is that this entire transaction 
 was conducted publicly on Phonolist.  That isn't a problem, except that Shawn 
 and Ken Danckaert (and possibly Ken Ogden) didn't know that. So no, Shawn did 
 not accidentally send an email to Ken Danckaert.
 
 Remember, everyone. Any time you reply to a message from Phonolist, it goes 
 out to everyone. This is in spite of the fact that an individual's email 
 address appears in the header of each message.
 
 Jim Nichol
 
 On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:33 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com 
 mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry Ken.  I am confused.   Phonoken bought the reproducer around 11:03 
 today.  I am not sure how I got your email.  I apologize. 
 
 
 Shawn 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Ken Danckaert
 Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎1‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Shawn,
 
 Phonoken is not me.  I am kendphono.
 
 Ken Danckaert
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:14 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Ken.
 
 
 
 
 I'll mark it sold to you.   I can ship it priority to a US address, with
 insurance for 8.35.  So the total would be $113.35.
 
 
 Shoot me your address and I'll get it boxed up and mark it sold.
 
 
 Shawn
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
 
 
 
 
 
 From: phono...@aol.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:44 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Not sure my reply was received.  I would like to buy the reproducer.
 Please send total due and your mailing address.  Thanks
 Ken Ogden
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phonoken phono...@aol.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 10:03 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
 
 
 
 I'll take the Model H reproducer.  Please provide total due and your
 mailing
 address.  Thanks
 Ken Ogden
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mshawnorourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 9:19 am
 Subject: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
 
 
 EDISON MODEL H: A very nice Edison model H reproducer. This one retains
 most of
 its original green stain. These reproducers were stained Green to allow the
 owners to distinguish between the Edison H and the Edison C. This one plays
 wonderfully. I replaced the limit loop which was missing when I received
 it. The
 
 original jewel is nice on this one. It easily fits in and out of the
 carriage.
 This would be a nice reproducer to add to your Edison four minute machine.
 
 PRICE: $105.00.
 
 
 EDISON LONG CASE HOME BOTTOM CASE: This is the bottom only to an Edison
 Home
 Long Case model A. It has a very nice original decal and much better than
 average original finish. The bottom board has the common split observed in
 most
 Edison Home cases. This could be a nice upgrade for a case bottom that has
 been
 refinished or has a less than desirable decal. It is a nice case bottom.
 
 PRICE: $95.00
 
 
 HAWTHORN AND SHEBLE CRANE. It is suitable and will work well on an Edison
 Home,
 Standard or Triumph. As well, it works on Columbia machines, certainly and
 A or
 an N. Being very adjustable, it will work with most smaller, as well as
 most
 larger horns (and all in between)This one is in as found condition and
 could use
 
 a little cleaning up. It will make a nice crane for someone who wants an
 all
 original example for their machine.
 
 PRICE: $165.00.
 
 
 
 Pictures available on request.
 
 
 Shipping and insurance only are additional. I will pay for the cost of a
 well
 packaged item.
 
 
 No PayPal, checks only.
 
 
 
 
 Please contact: mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest.
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
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Re: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society

[Peter Fraser]

There were a few hard bound copies published privately, including one for the 
LOC. I'd guess he'd allow more if asked nicely!

Sent from my iPhone

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 On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:44 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:
 
 As of now, Mr. Wakeman informs me that there are no plans to publish the book 
 in a hardbound edition.  I too would rather have it in bound form, but I'm 
 happy to have this work in ANY format!
 
 George P.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:02 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society
 
 
 Will this book be published in a hardbound edition? I hope so. It will be a 
 good 
 book to have. Happy New Year to everyone,
 Harvey Kravitz
 
 
 
 
 
 On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:00 AM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 Happy New Year, everyone! :) 
 
 
 I'm happy to announce that, through the hard work and generosity of Mr. R.J. 
 Wakeman, The Antique Phonograph Society has made available on our website 
 
 
 www.antiquephono.org 
 
 
 his entire (heretofore unpublished) 380-page book entitled, 
 
 
 Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records.
 
 
 Simply go to the Antique Phonograph Society website 
 (http://www.antiquephono.org), 
 click on the Articles header, then select Book Feature from the drop-down 
 menu.  Click on the cover image and the entire book will then download in a 
 few 
 moments.
 
 
 We are most grateful to Mr. Wakeman for his outstanding research and 
 compilation 
 on Brunswick - one of the major brands in the North America.  We are also 
 pleased and proud that Mr. Wakeman chose to make this significant resource 
 available to collectors and sound historians through the Antique Phonograph 
 Society.  We think when you see Mr. Wakeman's book, you'll agree that this is 
 the bible for Brunswick.
 
 
 We hope those interested in Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records 
 will 
 enjoy the book, and we trust that it will serve as a valuable resource for 
 decades to come.
 
 
 Watch the APS website for additional surprises over the next few weeks! :) 
 
 
 We Wish a Very Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year to the Phonograph 
 Collecting Community from The Antique Phonograph Society.
 
 
 George Paul
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Another Edison future colletible and heads up for deadline

[Peter Fraser]

You're not missing anything if the link doesn't work. It's a teaparty-esque 
propaganda piece politicizing the energy conservation aspect of phasing out 
incandescent bulbs.

But there's an underlying message:  Watch out, the government is out to get 
you.  So dig that bunker if you haven't already, and fill it up with guns, gas 
guzzling vehicles...and light bulbs, because it's important to keep OPEC happy, 
and to get rid of inconveniences like those polar ice caps and clean air.  But 
don't hurt yourself during construction, or socialist doctors might force you 
to get well. 

It's kind of cool that Tom's product has lasted so long in the marketplace 
almost completely unchanged, but it really is time to move on. 

Sent from my iPhone

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 On Dec 26, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:
 
 Works for me.
 
 On 12/26/2013 09:57 AM, John9ten wrote:
 Am I the only one for whom this link won't work even though I copied the 
 whole thing, excluding the parentheses?
 John Robles
 
 On Dec 26, 2013, at 7:15 AM, srsel...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 _Time  to Stock Up on Incandescent Bulbs Before They Go Out Permanently_
 (http://links.heritage.org/hostedemail/email.htm?CID=18246527865ch=5823E15D760
 7E8004A49A6B8776A53D7h=b5053f43c26e6e123298476731c09368ei=WOoHXHpNZ)
 
 Steve Ramm
 
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[Phono-L] Fwd: [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion

[Peter Fraser]

This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List.

Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the 
Special Amberols, directly below.

They are cool and unique...indeed, special.  I have assembled a set of the blue 
versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to 
indicate they stayed in production for a long time.

Are there any facts available on that?  Do they appear in any catalogs?

(Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!)

Sent from my iPhone

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com
 Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST
 To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com
 Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder??
 Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com
 
 If anyone's interested...
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg
 =
 Ron L'Herault wrote:
 I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for
 recommending a friend to an Edison dealer.  If the friend bought a machine,
 you got records as a reward.
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com
 [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM
 To: 78-L Mail List
 Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder??
 
 The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though -
 Amberol and Blue Amberol.
 
 
 Michael Biel wrote:
 When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again  when the Blue
 Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or
 converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only
 that way.  They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc.  I don't
 think the two sets were the same recordings.  My reference books are too
 low in the pile to check.
 
 Mike Biel  mb...@mbiel.com
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder??
 From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com
 Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm
 To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com
 
 I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store
 in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead
 it says 'SPECIAL B.'
 
 The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL
 
 What is a SPECIAL B.?
 
 http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL-B.JPG
 
 
 Thanks!  Cliff
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Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion

[Peter Fraser]

Excellent!  Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled?  I'll dive into 
the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books?

Thanks. Great to hear from you.

Also CCing to the list. 

Sent from my iPhone

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 On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote:
 
 Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. 
 The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D
 Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. 
 Six of these records were to be given to
 a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This 
 plan was introduced in July 1910. No more
 than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a 
 success. Neither were these special
 Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare 
 and seldom found today.
 
 Best regards, Ron
 On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:
 
 This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List.
 
 Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the 
 Special Amberols, directly below.
 
 They are cool and unique...indeed, special.  I have assembled a set of the 
 blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This 
 seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time.
 
 Are there any facts available on that?  Do they appear in any catalogs?
 
 (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com
 Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST
 To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com
 Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder??
 Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com
 
 If anyone's interested...
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg
 =
 Ron L'Herault wrote:
 I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for
 recommending a friend to an Edison dealer.  If the friend bought a machine,
 you got records as a reward.
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com
 [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM
 To: 78-L Mail List
 Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder??
 
 The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though 
 -
 Amberol and Blue Amberol.
 
 
 Michael Biel wrote:
 When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again  when the Blue
 Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or
 converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only
 that way.  They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc.  I don't
 think the two sets were the same recordings.  My reference books are too
 low in the pile to check.
 
 Mike Biel  mb...@mbiel.com
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder??
 From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com
 Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm
 To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com
 
 I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store
 in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead
 it says 'SPECIAL B.'
 
 The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL
 
 What is a SPECIAL B.?
 
 http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL-B.JPG
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name

[Peter Fraser]

If it's to be considered a new organization, I'd imagine it makes sense to give 
it a new name, let's say something like the American Antique Phonograph 
Society, just for talking purposes.

Then it's a no-brainer to name the periodical The AAPS Journal.

As others have said, keeping things simple is usually a good strategy. And 
you're not pointing the emphasis towards machines or records, if that matters - 
although the record people have their own clubs and journals, right?  I guess 
the two phono clubs are mostly hardware related, but also naturally with 
coverage of the media we play on that hardware - but still coming from the 
machine standpoint overall. 

In The Groove was always sort of non-descriptive and hackneyed in my (likely 
insignificant) opinion, although I can see how it would have sentimental value 
for some. I used to belong to MAPS in order to receive it, but dropped out when 
its quality declined a few years back.

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On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com wrote:

 Disagree!!! Nothing wrong with a good cliche (IF it even is one), 
 historically significant, recognized world-wide and makes a good acronym.
 
 Paul Christenzen, simple-minded collector
 
 
 Bruce wrote:
 OK, I'll step up to be the first person to disagree with Steve.
 
 When the improvements were being made to the former CAPS publication, The
 Sound Box, concurrent with the name change to the organization, we wanted a
 name for the publication that would speak to the stature of its quality.
 Names like The Sound Box seemed too much like a cliché that fell far short
 of the quality of the product. In the Groove as a publication name,
 regardless of its age, falls short as well.
 
 Bruce Peterson - former CAPS/APS president
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Melissa Ricci
 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:26 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and
 successorpublication name
 
 Well said, Steve! I agree 100%
 
 Melissa
 
 
 
  From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com
 To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:37 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successor publication
 name
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I am posting this to both Phonolist and Phono-L -- the two  listserves I
 subscribe to.
 Those of you who belong to the Antique Phonograph Sovciety  (formerly known
 as the Calif. APS) should have received a letter in the mail  this week (or
 will shortly -- mine came yesterday) detailing the proposed  merger of the
 APS with MAPS effective January 1, 2014, (I'm guessing MAPS  members will
 get
 something soon.). I was told that there was a preliminary  meeting of
 members held at the Union show lat month, though no mention was  made in any
 
 reports of the show on either of these lists. So the mailing from  CAPS was
 the
 first formal document I saw.
 As outlined in the letter, the two organizations are often  serving the
 same group with  160  members (of MAPS' 607 and APS's 400 members belonging
 to
 both. Economically it  makes sense because postage to mail each society's
 magazine/journal is the  biggest cost. By combining memberships, there would
 
 be one dues and this might  attract more members. (Side note here: Every
 person on these newsgroups should  belong to at least one of these
 organizations to support the  hobby.).
 The plan is to take the best of both magazines and combine into  one.
 Currently APS's magazine focuses on pre-electric phonographs and and some
 recordings -- mostly pre-1910 -- while ITG (MAPs' magazine) covers recording
 artists as well as reissues of pre-Lp era recordings.  (As most of you know,
 I
 have  contributed a monthly -- now bi-monthly -- column, Anything
 Phonographic
 to  ITG for over 20 years , not missing one issue  yet!).
 I definitely support the merger if it will mean continuing the  great
 volunteer work done by the Boards and contributors of both  organizations.
 But --
 as I wrote in a letter to both boards yesterday -- I feel  that the proposal
 to make the name of the new society's publication -- which  would be
 published quarterly with more yearly pages than either has now -- The
 Antique
 Phonograph is not a good move. Personally I do not feel that it  reflects
 the
 contents if, in fact, the content will be similar to that in the  current
 ITG. In The Groove was named 30 years ago by John Whitacre and I  have
 worked with all four of its Editors during that time. It was chosen  because
 it
 reflected phonographs (I don't call them antique phonographs  because RCA
 45 players from the 1950s are now considered antiques) and  records. It
 was a brand that no one was using and has a history. The name  The
 Antique Phonograph would imply that the publication was only for  machine
 collectors. I know some of 

Re: [Phono-L] Edison C 450

[Peter Fraser]

Do you have a way to show us a photo of it?

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On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote:

 A good friend of mine has just acquired a nice Edison C 450 with what looks
 like a factory installed lighting system.  When you open the lid one light
 goes on in the player area and one light at each end of the record
 compartment illuminated each side of the record.   Has anyone seen anything
 like this before?  Factory or aftermarket and if so, by whom?  It is very
 well done. 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ron L
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic

[Peter Fraser]

There's two I know of in CA and I doubt either is available.  Pretty large 
beasts, and quite extreme in style - not for everyone. The colors are usually 
muted from accumulated cigarette smoke and other filth over the decades, so 
careful cleaning can really make them pop. 

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On May 9, 2013, at 1:26 PM, David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I know of a third one, here is Michigan.  Also probably not for sale.
 Dave
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 12:49:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
 
 I want one... I know where two are, but aren't for sale, within 5 miles of 
 here. 
 They are great looking machines.
 
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:10:08 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
 
 Awesome.
 
 On May 9, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:
 
 Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. 
 
 http://goo.gl/MMD8q
 
 Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.

[Peter Fraser]

I'm of course baffled by this.  In all my years of collecting, I've never 
encountered anyone who is the slightest bit strange, odd, paranoid, socially 
awkward, difficult, maladjusted, or otherwise different from the accepted 
mainstream.

And I know none of the rest of you ever ever have, either.

(I'm NOT winking.  I must have something stuck in my eye.)

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On May 8, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote:

 Boy, this Gary guy seems a bit paranoid.  He could always wait for the check
 to clear before sending the speaker.   OTOH, I think you can post private
 video to Youtube.   You'd send the link to Gary and tell him to let you know
 when he'd seen it.  Then you could remove it, I would think.
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Arvin Casas
 Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:58 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have a weird question.  In the process of restoring or acquiring pieces
 for your phonographs, have sellers asked you to do odd things beyond
 cutting a check?
 
 I'm trying to restore my Columbia-Kolster Viva-Tonal 950 and found a guy on
 youtube who has a speaker that matches what my 950 used to have.
 
 I contacted the seller, we negotiated a price.  I tried to send him payment
 through my bank's electronic system (kinda like Paypal but not so many fees)
 but he said he had been ripped off that way and refused payment.
 
 Complying with his wishes, I was in the midst of cutting him a paper check
 (this time written by my bank and delivered by courier) when he backed out
 saying the whole thing was fishy.
 
 This seller, Gary in Wisconsin, now wants me to shoot my own youtube video
 showing me and my 950 to prove that I exist. It's a little more than I'm
 comfortable doing.
 
 (Despite the fact that I'm often compared to Cary Grant, I'm not
 particularly fond of videoing myself and posting them publicly.)
 
 Gary says all the radio people do it, so I should too.
 
 Has anybody else been put through the wringer like this just for a part?
 Those of you who cross dabble with Radios, do you often video yourself on
 youtube?
 
 My faith in humanity was sucker punched by this weirdness.  Just wondering
 what others think and what other stories people might like to share, odd,
 weird, or otherwise.
 
 Best Wishes from Massachusetts!
 
 Arvin
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola III saga on EBay - an update with a twist

[Peter Fraser]

Well since it's already disassembled, the buyer will hopefully make sure it 
gets shipped that way!

She originally told me (in all caps - i thought canucks are polite?) that she 
was parting it out because shipping the whole thing was too complicated. 
Disassembly has hopefully eased that.



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On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote:

 I also assume that the phono will be severely damaged in shipment, due to 
 lack of concern of the seller.
 
 Jim Nichol
 
 On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote:
 
 I was afraid of this.  I understood Al's intention in notifying the seller 
 of what they were doing -- no one could have anticipated that this seller 
 wouldn't honor the seller/buyer contracts -- but I was instantly worried 
 that the seller, once alerted to the true value, would do something 
 underhanded, again.
 
 Greed unfortunately rarely has boundaries.
 
 If there's a silver lining, it may be that the machine is put back together 
 and sold intact.  I can already picture the damaged screw slots and dings in 
 the wood from the slip of a screwdriver.
 
 Andrew Baron
 Santa Fe
 
 On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:37 AM, Anil Menon wrote:
 
 I know this has been an emotional and heated issue for many of us on this 
 board and on the ATM forum. Some of you know that after discussions with 
 Al, George and Rene, I decided to save the Amberola. After several 
 efforts to buy the machine outright and offering and getting rebuffed on a 
 3,500 dollar offer in my second effort, I decided to go after all 7 items. 
 The seller, Leilani Gillard from Peachland, BC, said to me what she told 
 others on this forum, namely, if you win all items, I will give you the 
 cabinet and everything else that came with the machine. Well, I won 5 of 
 the items, lost the horn to a bidder from Australia, and the lid went 
 unsold. I offered to buy the lid and pay for the rest. The seller came back 
 with a new offer of an additional 500 dollars for the cabinet. I replied 
 firmly no way and asked her to meet her commitment. 
 
 And, well, in the catgegory of a never ending saga, here is a new twist on 
 the Amberoa III. Now, she has come back saying that she is canceling all of 
 the 7 bids and relisting as entire machine...see her principled stance 
 below! What a scream! I guess she wants to get a higher return than what 
 she got...this is adding stupidity on top of greed?
 
 Enjoy the read below:-) Anil 
 
 Dear 
 
 I am going to cancel all the auction you won and realist the machine as one 
 unite. I hope you understand . I already told the guy who won the horn i 
 wasn't going to sell it. I will give you your refund back. I hope you 
 understand i am just doing the right thing. It not about the money now. 
 Regards Lelani
 
 - peachland250
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting or Uninteresting Suitcase standard observation.

[Peter Fraser]

What's the serial number?

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On Mar 25, 2013, at 5:56 PM, William Taney b...@taney.com wrote:

 I picked up a suitcase standard very inexpensively today (of the 2 clip
 variety). I got it and started to look at it and realized that it's
 mechanism is different than the banner model A standard. The spring barrel
 is smaller and appears to use a different spring and the turn off
 mechanism appears different and just presses on the governor yolk instead
 of having a felt brake of it's own. In addition, it appears no gear cover
 ever existed for this machine as there are no holes and no way to affix
 the model A 2 minute gear cover without drilling a hole. I thought the
 mechanisms were identical, so I guess it was just a bit of education.
 Bill
 
 
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[Phono-L] Slamming Steve, was: Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block

[Peter Fraser]

Interesting.

Just found a quote online, from someone we're getting to know better today, and 
which can also be applied to this unfortunate situation:

This is indeed unfortunate.
But everyone please remember that the people
who do things such as this set up bad vibes
for themselves in the universe.
Sooner or later, those vibes catch up with them.

People are ultimately and individually responsible for their deeds, and what 
ever they
do in their lives sticks to them.

   -- Chuck Richards, from 
http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=12347


So according to your own philosophy, the universe will soon be pointing 
certain tools right back at you.

Hope they're not too sharp.

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On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:49 PM, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote:

 No slamming intended.  Just using whatever means
 are available to resolve this.
 
 There are certain tools around, and sometimes they
 need to be used.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Original Message 
 From: kb...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:45:52 -0500
 
 I just can't sit idle with a slam towards Steve.  He is one of the
 nicest
 and most knowledgeable phonograph collector/historian that I have
 had the
 privilege to know.  Ditto to George's comment below.  Give him a
 break!!!
 Ken Brekke
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Christenzen
 Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:12 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
 
 ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able
 guy I've
 met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to
 breathe
 before you try to embarrass him!!
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304

[Peter Fraser]

Well now some of the bits have sold. 

So uncool to break up a perfectly good machine like that. I contacted him 
further and politely suggested he reconsider, and he responded:



IF SOMEONE WINS ALL THE AUCTIONS I HAVE ON THIS GRAMOPHONE. THEY WILL GET THE 
COMPLETE GRAMOPHONE. I WILL NOT PART IT OUT 

- peachland250




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On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote:

 I contacted the seller today, who is in a relatively remote part of British 
 Columbia, to ask why. The response was that it's easier to ship small parts. 
 
 Jerk. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 
 It is with great sadness that I note the death of a fine and rare example of 
 an Amberola III.  The III wasn't even sick.  It played until the bitter end. 
  It's death came at the hands of someone on eBay who decided to part it out. 
  The cabinet, rear inspection door, motor, Diamond A Reproducer, and other 
 parts were drawn and quartered because someone figured they would sell for 
 more than the whole machine.  I believe only about 1,200 of these machines 
 were made.  They are only rarely found in such nice condition as 304 was.  
 We Edison fanatics will miss her.
 
 Best wishes to a very quiet list,
 
 Al
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thu, Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm
 Subject: [Phono-L] For sale square box Combination attachment for Edison 
 Standard Phonograph Model B $27.00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello, I have photos, $27.00 includes priority mail shipping in a 7x7x6 box. 
  
 The box is excellent, it does show age the label is brown but all there.  It 
 has 
 the smaller box cemented inside with the holder for the Model H reproducer.  
 I 
 have photos if anyone is interested.   I paid $20 or $25 for it years ago, 
 with 
 shipping I will about break even. Steve
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Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304

[Peter Fraser]

I contacted the seller today, who is in a relatively remote part of British 
Columbia, to ask why. The response was that it's easier to ship small parts. 

Jerk. 

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On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:

 
 
 It is with great sadness that I note the death of a fine and rare example of 
 an Amberola III.  The III wasn't even sick.  It played until the bitter end.  
 It's death came at the hands of someone on eBay who decided to part it out.  
 The cabinet, rear inspection door, motor, Diamond A Reproducer, and other 
 parts were drawn and quartered because someone figured they would sell for 
 more than the whole machine.  I believe only about 1,200 of these machines 
 were made.  They are only rarely found in such nice condition as 304 was.  We 
 Edison fanatics will miss her.
 
 Best wishes to a very quiet list,
 
 Al
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thu, Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm
 Subject: [Phono-L] For sale square box Combination attachment for Edison 
 Standard Phonograph Model B $27.00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello, I have photos, $27.00 includes priority mail shipping in a 7x7x6 box.  
 The box is excellent, it does show age the label is brown but all there.  It 
 has 
 the smaller box cemented inside with the holder for the Model H reproducer.  
 I 
 have photos if anyone is interested.   I paid $20 or $25 for it years ago, 
 with 
 shipping I will about break even. Steve
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[Phono-L] Fwd: Copyright Protection That Serves to Destroy (Journal)

[Peter Fraser]

Interesting article!

This guy recently authored a biography of Louis Armstrong, btw.

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: ʞɐıuzoʍ ǝʌǝʇs  st...@woz.org
 Date: March 15, 2013, 6:44:27 AM PDT
 To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
 Subject: Copyright Protection That Serves to Destroy (Journal)
 
 Copyright Protection That Serves to Destroy
 
 By TERRY TEACHOUT   wsj
 
 What is a library? Until fairly recently, the answer to that question was 
 simple: It's a storehouse for books and manuscripts. The fact that books are 
 increasingly printed on something other than paper doesn't change the 
 fundamental purpose of libraries. They are our collective memory. Fortunately 
 for posterity, a well-made book isn't hard to preserve. But in 1877, Thomas 
 Edison invented a new way to preserve the past. He called it the phonograph, 
 and it took a long time for librarians to figure out that the echoes of 
 speech and music that Edison and his successors etched on discs were as 
 important a part of our collective memory as the words that Johannes 
 Gutenberg and his successors printed on paper.
 
 Nowadays most people understand the historical significance of recorded 
 sound, and libraries around the world are preserving as much of it as 
 possible. But recording technology has evolved much faster than did printing 
 technology—so fast, in fact, that librarians can't keep up with it. It's hard 
 enough to preserve a wax cylinder originally cut in 1900, but how do you 
 preserve an MP3 file? Might it fade over time? And will anybody still know 
 how to play it a quarter-century from now? If you're old enough to remember 
 floppy disks, you'll get the point at once: A record, unlike a book, is only 
 as durable as our ability to play it back.
 
 The Library of Congress recently issued a 78-page document called The 
 Library of Congress National Recording Preservation Plan whose purpose is to 
 ensure that our descendants will be able to listen to the sounds of the past 
 long after we're dead and gone. It contains 32 recommendations, most of 
 which, I suspect, will be filed and forgotten. Given the present state of the 
 economy, I can't imagine that anyone on Capitol Hill sees the preservation of 
 sound recordings as a top priority. But Congress can do one important thing 
 that will help to save our sonic history without costing a cent: We need to 
 straighten out America's confused copyright laws, and we need to do it now.
 
 In Europe, sound recordings enter the public domain 50 years after their 
 initial release. Once that happens, anyone can reissue them, which makes it 
 easy for Europeans to purchase classic records of the past. In America, by 
 contrast, sound recordings are protected by a prohibitive snarl of federal 
 and state legislation whose effect was summed up in a report issued in 2010 
 by the National Recording Preservation Board of the Library of Congress: The 
 effective term of copyright protection for even the oldest U.S. recordings, 
 dating from the late 19th century, will not end until the year 2067 at the 
 earliest.… Thus, a published U.S. sound recording created in 1890 will not 
 enter the public domain until 177 years after its creation, constituting a 
 term of rights protection 82 years longer than that of all other forms of 
 audio visual works made for hire.
 
 Among countless other undesirable things, this means that American record 
 companies that aren't interested in reissuing old records can stop anyone 
 else from doing so, and can also stop libraries from making those same 
 records readily accessible to scholars who want to use them for noncommercial 
 purposes. Even worse, it means that American libraries cannot legally copy 
 records made before 1972 to digital formats for the purpose of 
 preservation—not unless those records have already deteriorated to the point 
 where they may soon become unplayable.
 
 That's crazy.
 
 As part of its preservation plan for sound recording, the Library of Congress 
 has made three common-sense recommendations for copyright reform:
 
 • Bring sound recordings fixed before February 15, 1972, under federal 
 copyright law.
 
 • Enable recordings whose copyright owners cannot be identified or located 
 to be more readily preserved and accessed legally.
 
 • Revise section 108 of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 in order to 
 facilitate preservation and expand public access to sound recordings.
 
 These recommendations are discussed in detail in The Library of Congress 
 National Recording Preservation Plan, which you can read online by searching 
 for that title.
 
 Yes, intellectual property rights have become a sensitive issue in the age of 
 instantaneous digital distribution, and rightly so. But copyright law was 
 never meant to allow such rights to be restricted indefinitely. A time 
 eventually comes when all books pass into the public domain. That's part of 
 what makes a great book classic—the 

[Phono-L] steam powered phonograph

[Peter Fraser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiVWkk5zaQ

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[Phono-L] Charlie Hummel viewable on ScienceChannel app

[Peter Fraser]

iPad and iPhone users can download the free Science Channel app (see below), 
and search on Edison to find and view Charlie's piece. 

--

http://science.discovery.com/ 

Download the Science app today! 
Science is the home for the thought provocateur, the individual who is unafraid 
to ask the killer questions of how and why not. Guided by curiosity, 
Science looks for innovation in mysterious new worlds as well as in its own 
backyard. This app gives you access to all of Science's content, from How It's 
Made to Fringe, Through the Wormhole and Firefly. 

Download ScienceChannel app 


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[Phono-L] I just found a Komodo Dragon in my Credenza!

[Peter Fraser]

Drop what you're doing and check those cabinets, folks!

http://gizmodo.com/5980332/tortoise-trapped-in-record-player-box-found-alive-after-30-years

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Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A

[Peter Fraser]

Thanks!

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On Dec 26, 2012, at 11:25 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:

 Home No.2654 left the factory about January 1898.
 
 
 George P.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:38 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
 
 
 Hi -
 
 How about H2654, please?
 
 Thanks!
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:26 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Jack,
 
 
 Home No.3611 left the factory about February 1898.  Home No.10995 left the
 factory about January 1899.
 
 
 George P.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com
 To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:18 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
 
 
 
 George,
 I couldn't resist.
 Here's two more:H3611H10995
 Much appreciated.
 Jack Whelan
 
 www.PhonoJack.com
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A

[Peter Fraser]

Hi -

How about H2654, please?

Thanks!

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On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:26 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:

 Jack,
 
 
 Home No.3611 left the factory about February 1898.  Home No.10995 left the 
 factory about January 1899.
 
 
 George P.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com
 To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:18 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
 
 
 
 George,
 I couldn't resist.
 Here's two more:H3611H10995
 Much appreciated.
 Jack Whelan
 
 www.PhonoJack.com
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box

[Peter Fraser]

And so, you clever trickster…

- collector visitors will wonder why you would misplace a concert cylinder in 
such a moldy environment.
- non-collector visitors, if they even notice it, will see it as validation of 
their prior assessment of you as a bit off.

Well played, sir.  Well played.

On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote:

 Not sure if the list allows attachments, but if it does, the picture you are
 looking at shows a home-made cover for a roll of TP at the right end of the
 shelf.  
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Re: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker

[Peter Fraser]

The feed screws and half-nuts on the branded case carriage have a different 
pitch than the later ones, so if you put the later carriage on a branded case 
to be able to use a C reproducer, be sure to switch out the half nut. 

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On Dec 5, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Mike Tucker mtucker1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Steve,
 
 I had one which had the carriage changed over and they are certainly 
 interchangeable.
 
 Mike
 
 On 6/12/2012 5:27 AM, Steven Medved wrote:
 If the carriage and the lid is missing how would you tell a branded case Gem 
 from the later Gem with the Model B reproducer?  The reproducers are not 
 interchangeable, but is the carriages?
  Thanks,
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Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E

[Peter Fraser]

naw, keep it public.  we love it.

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On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:

 
 Sorry, meant to send this off list. Steve
 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:26:08 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
 
 
 Hello Al, Welcome back.  I hope you enjoyed yourself.   I have often 
 wondered when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set 
 screw.  George Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 
 that has the screw left the factory in April 1902.  He has data that tells 
 when machines left the factory.   I guess the set screw came out in October 
 1901 as the early B got the notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C 
 appeared around 25,000, but this is only a guess based on the Frow book 
 saying the standard got the push pull lift know in October 1901 when it did 
 not get it until around Standard S108,000 which would have been way into 
 1902.  It is my idea he got the push pull lift know and the set screw mixed 
 up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products down with dates. 
 Best regards, Steve  Steve, 
 Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902.  Makes sense, 
 doesn't it?
 Best,George
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: clockworkh...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
 
 
 Hi Steve:
 The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830.  
 It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight.
 Hope that helps...
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[Phono-L] David Fuller aka brokenflutes on eBay

[Peter Fraser]

Anybody have any feedback on this guy, positive or negative?  He's in Alpine, 
TN. 

Thanks. 

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Re: [Phono-L] David Fuller aka brokenflutes on eBay

[Peter Fraser]

Thanks. An acquaintance is having a little difficulty on a transaction, and the 
experience/knowledge remark you made could shed light on why certain things are 
happening. 

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On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:

 
 I have written to him and he answers nicely.  His feedback seems to be good, 
 he does not have the knowledge an adavanced collector has. Regarding the 
 content of his character he did not leave mean retalitary feedback for the 
 one negative he got so I think he is good based on that and my communication 
 with him. Steve
 From: pjfra...@mac.com
 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:28:54 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] David Fuller aka brokenflutes on eBay
 
 Anybody have any feedback on this guy, positive or negative?  He's in 
 Alpine, TN. 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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[Phono-L] Interesting stories, was: Apology to all

[Peter Fraser]

No, please post your story. 

If people don't want to read it (or anything else posted here, for that matter) 
they can learn to click delete - it's not hard to do. 

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On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Everyone,
  
 It had been suggested to me by a couple of people to right up my story about 
 how I fisrt got the Phono Fever at the age of 26 years old.  Unfortunately it 
 will contain parts of my life away form the topic of Phonos as I overcame 
 major life issues.  I guess now it would be inappropriate to post my story 
 here.  If any of you that encouraged me to do this, and if you still would 
 like to read my story, please contact me off board. As I donot want to cause 
 problems or get people here upset with me.  I to am sorry for posting my off 
 topic personal major life event.
  
 I really did not mean to ruffle anyones feathers,
 Kenneth
 
 
 
 
 From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all
 
 John,
 
 You owe no one an apology. Yes, one purpose of the list is to share 
 further knowledge about the hobby. Phono-L is also a conduit for
 socialization among those of us who share common bonds.
 
 Folks, if you get your panties in a wad over some non-phono related
 chatter, run your own listserve and make the rules. Hang out here, you
 play by my rules.
 
 Thanks,
 Loran
 
 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, John Robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
 Good morning all.
 I received an email this morning from a list member stating that it would be 
 nice if I did not use Phono-L for my personal email or soapbox, and that 
 not everyone wants to hear all this. It was further stated that the 
 purpose of Phono-L was to share and further our knowledge about our shared 
 hobby. That is true.
 
 I simply responded to a public message that was posted by a list member. I 
 had written him privately asking him to let me know how he was doing. He 
 answered publicly. Was it off subject? Yes. I did not use the list as a 
 soap box' I merely made a compassionate response to a list member's 
 message. I assume he received a similar response. I also assume that if the 
 medical issue had been cancer or some other mainstream ailment, I would 
 not have been accused of being on my soapbox, which implies a political 
 attitude.
 
 Be that as it may, I am sorry if my public response to a public message 
 offended anyone. I will try to keep my compassion for suffering private from 
 now on.
 
 John Robles
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....

[Peter Fraser]

We start out looking for a screw, and end up holding the nuts with vise grips.  
Oh, the humanity!

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On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Carl Wright taeri...@att.net wrote:

 I took two 5-40 nuts locked them together on the screw. Then with a Dremel 
 with a thin cut off blade and holding the nuts with vice grips. I cut the nut 
 and screw at the same time. You loose a nut but it is easier to put in a slot 
 in the small screw.
 
 Carl
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am just about to head out to a hardware store that everyone has suggested 
 in this area and see what I can find in 5-40 and then I will go from there.. 
  Wish me luck!
 Ken
 
 
 
 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK
 
 
 The main problem with finding set screws, is not the 5-40 thread, it is the 
 slot, as opposed to a socket head. I have a local fastener company that 
 stocks a bazillion screws of all types and shapes and has plenty of stock, 
 but slotted are real hard to find, unless they are new old stock. Collectors 
 of antique machinery of all types have bought up all of the available stock 
 of slotted screws. I recently searched for any size slotted set screws for 
 my restoration of a Fairy Phono Lamp - no luck - not that they might be out 
 there somewhere, just not commonly available any more.
 
 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:17 -0700
 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK
 
 Ron,
 I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list 
 ? If not how do I contact him?
 Ken
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Rob Lomas

[Peter Fraser]

Except that he does fine work and created a useful and well made product. I 
have one of his cylinder electrical adaptors and it is well designed, well 
made, and works stunningly well. 

Sounds like the guy is going through a huge ordeal. Perhaps once things settle 
he'll resurface and make things right. 

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On May 24, 2012, at 6:23 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Well, now that the mistake has been cleared up, I don't recommend that anyone 
 do business with Rob Lomas.
 John
 
 
 
 
 From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 
 THANKS STEVE
 I HOPE ALL IS WELL IN TARPON AREA
 ROB
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 1:09 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 
 
 I will second that...
 
 Steve Andersen
 
 
   Rob Mallet is part of an outstanding bunch of people that really make the 
 Orlando show fun to go to.  He has always been very nice to communicate with 
 and 
 helpful.  
 
 Steve
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Re: Bob Hammer (or whatever his name is) is certainly a fine person, we seem to think

[Peter Fraser]

It's usually best to close out public things in public, since the interwebs 
never forget.  That is, if you say bad stuff about somebody that turns out to 
not be true, you need to correct yourself.

Otherwise somebody far in the future looks up the poor besmirched guy and finds 
out what a foul person he is, and believes it, because his rehabilitation is 
missing.

Sound reasonable?

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On May 24, 2012, at 6:22 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

 To the Board: As you all know I made a grave mistake in identity between two 
 Robs, one of whom is a regular contributor to this board, and one of whom 
 ripped off a friend of mine for significant money. Rob Mallet wrote me to 
 correct the misunderstanding, which he did in a polite and gentlemanly 
 manner. I apologized profusely for the misunderstanding (three separate 
 times) and was forgiven. 
 
 Since that time, I have been bullied and harassed by a member of this board 
 (who I have never seen participate in anything), who declared himself judge, 
 jury and executioner and has been demanding that I make a public apology. I 
 told him that I had apologized to Rob Mallet (I thought my apologies were 
 public; turns out Rob had written me off list so the responses were private) 
 and that it was none of his business to which he responded When you shoot 
 your mouth off on a forum, YOU make it my business and everyone elses.  If 
 you're going to do it publicly have the guts to apologize publicly.  
 Remember, I wrote you privately, not on the forum where I probably should 
 have.
 
 I forwarded to him my apologies to Rob from my home computer at lunchtime. 
 Later in the after noon he wrote Cute answers but I still don't see anything 
 public  I informed him I was on a government computer at work and could 
 not use it for private use, and to get off my back, to which he stated 
 Hasn't stopped you so far. I was answering that email on my cellphone.
 I don't want to continue this subject but I am being forced to. No one else 
 has demanded a public apology, everyone seemed to understand that it was a 
 mistake not made maliciously, and in fact the thread had died out. Again, as 
 I thought the apologies I did make were public, I didn't give it a second 
 thought.
 But since this person has nothing better to do than appoint himself the Emily 
 Post of the board, and seems to be obsessing on this, (and since I planned a 
 public apology this evening anyhow) I publicly apologize to Rob Mallet for 
 the mistaken identity issue that took place on this board yesterday, and I 
 thank him for his gracious reply (sent to me privately).
 End of subject.
 
 John Robles
 
 
 
 
 From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net
 To: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net 
 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:38 PM
 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 
 
 
 
 - Forwarded message -
 From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Wed, May 23, 2012 8:46 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 To: zonophone2...@aol.com
 
 Oh no! I think I have the wrong Rob! I apologize profusely!
 John Robles
 
 - Reply message -
 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
 Date: Wed, May 23, 2012 7:22 am
 Subject: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 
 hi
 i think you have the wrong rob
 i am not divorced nor have i ever sold a reproducer to john
 what is going on  here
 thanks
 rob mallett
 aka 
 zono
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 9:54 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 
 
 I have to chime in here and say I've known Rob for many years and he's a 
 stand-up guy. Regarding the reproducer John refers to, it sounds like an 
 unfortunate situation, but it must be some kind of mix-up. Rob works 
 ridiculously long hours, there are whole periods of time I can't reach him 
 because he's so busy. I don't know what happened regarding the reproducer, 
 and I 
 can see why John is upset -- but the Rob I know is not a crook and not even 
 close! Rob subscribes to this list, so I know he is reading this stuff. So, 
 there's my two cents..
 
 Best wishes to all, Tim Fabrizio.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 1:59 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
 
 
 Steve - 
 
 It is edisoniareco...@yahoo.com. Did he rip you off too? A friend of mine ( a 
 known researcher and author) ordered a CAT reproducer from him something like 
 five years ago, and Rob cashed the check (over $200) and never sent the item. 
 My 
 
 friend told me about it recently and I told him I had Rob's email address and 
 would mention it, and I got this email back from Rob saying that he had the 
 reproducer but had never mailed it because he got divorced and had to move 
 and 
 he lost the address 

Re: [Phono-L] 12-Inch Button on Edison Disk Machine?

[Peter Fraser]

It's actually a very convenient thing, helping to reduce the awkwardness of the 
little flip lever and likely preventing stylus damage from missing the edge of 
the record. 

I think they came out around the same time as the LP system, where protecting 
the fine LP stylus was even more crucial. 

I use the 10 every time I play a record. Very nice to have. 

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com wrote:

 And if you don't know how to operate it:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38027item=390393488879
 
 How stupid did Edison think people were??
 
 On 2/23/12, chris...@cox.net chris...@cox.net wrote:
 A friend has a Laboratory Model diamond disk player.  To the left of the
 platter, along the edge close to the cabinet, are two push buttons -- one
 labeled 10 and the other 12.  Neither of us was aware that there were
 12-inch diamond disks.  Were Edison reproducers available for lateral
 records?  Was this an after-market modification?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?

[Peter Fraser]

An old buddy of mine grew up on a farm. When he was about 10 he decided to pee 
on the exposed spark plug of a running pump motor, which sparked his pump quite 
well, and quite painfully. 

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Don Dellmann don.dellm...@prodigy.net wrote:

 
 - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
 
 
 I believe I mentioned that here previously, I suspect that it was ignored 
 though.
 
 On 02/23/2012 03:56 AM, Jim Nichol wrote:
 That sounds like a brilliant guy. I was just in a course about electrical 
 safety last week.  The voltage that kills the most people is 120 VAC.
 
 Jim
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:44 AM, DanKj wrote:
 
 This discussion reminded me of a situation here, a few years back:   The 
 power company replaced the wires from my house to the pole,  and a few 
 months later, I happened to touch the metal pipe through which the wires 
 ran to my meter in the cellar.  ZAP!   The pipe had never been attached to 
 the meter box or my fuse/breaker box, both of which were grounded (after I 
 grounded them - NOTHING was grounded when I moved in here!) ... Anyway,  I 
 called the company to have the thing repaired, as it was obvious that the 
 live conductor was touching the pipe at the top.  They sent Vern  Ernest, 
 I swear.  Even after I demonstrated the problem by lighting-up a 100W bulb 
 between the pipe and a ground, one of the guys grabbed both pieces of 
 metal  ZAPPED himself for proof! Oh yeah, that's live.  I guess he was 
 accustomed to 120volts AC!
 
 
 Reminds me of when I was a kid, I had a Silvertone tape recorder and a Sure 
 brothers microphone.  The tape recorder chassis was grounded to one side of 
 the AC.  The microphone shield wire was grounded to the metal case of the 
 mic, and the other side to the recorder chassis.  The stack vent pipe from 
 the bathroom downstairs ran right up through the middle of my bedroom, which 
 of course was an earth ground.
 
 Mic in one hand, lean against the pipe with the other hand.  (you can guess 
 the rest).  I wish I could say I only made that mistake once. :-(
 
 Don
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?

[Peter Fraser]

Just found him in the SSDI. He died in '93 at the age of 68.  But I think he 
fathered at least one kid. 

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 
 No, he never did that again, but went on to fame  fortune as a falsetto 
 singer for the band AC/DC...
 
 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:10:56 -0600
 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
 
 I suspect he will never do that again.
 
 On 02/23/2012 06:43 PM, Peter Fraser wrote:
 An old buddy of mine grew up on a farm. When he was about 10 he decided to 
 pee on the exposed spark plug of a running pump motor, which sparked his 
 pump quite well, and quite painfully.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Don Dellmanndon.dellm...@prodigy.net  wrote:
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
 
 
 I believe I mentioned that here previously, I suspect that it was ignored 
 though.
 
 On 02/23/2012 03:56 AM, Jim Nichol wrote:
 That sounds like a brilliant guy. I was just in a course about 
 electrical safety last week.  The voltage that kills the most people is 
 120 VAC.
 
 Jim
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:44 AM, DanKj wrote:
 
 This discussion reminded me of a situation here, a few years back:   
 The power company replaced the wires from my house to the pole,  and a 
 few months later, I happened to touch the metal pipe through which the 
 wires ran to my meter in the cellar.  ZAP!   The pipe had never been 
 attached to the meter box or my fuse/breaker box, both of which were 
 grounded (after I grounded them - NOTHING was grounded when I moved in 
 here!) ... Anyway,  I called the company to have the thing repaired, as 
 it was obvious that the live conductor was touching the pipe at the 
 top.  They sent Vern   Ernest, I swear.  Even after I demonstrated the 
 problem by lighting-up a 100W bulb between the pipe and a ground, one 
 of the guys grabbed both pieces of metal   ZAPPED himself for proof! 
 Oh yeah, that's live.  I guess he was accustomed to 120volts AC!
 
 
 Reminds me of when I was a kid, I had a Silvertone tape recorder and a 
 Sure brothers microphone.  The tape recorder chassis was grounded to one 
 side of the AC.  The microphone shield wire was grounded to the metal case 
 of the mic, and the other side to the recorder chassis.  The stack vent 
 pipe from the bathroom downstairs ran right up through the middle of my 
 bedroom, which of course was an earth ground.
 
 Mic in one hand, lean against the pipe with the other hand.  (you can 
 guess the rest).  I wish I could say I only made that mistake once. :-(
 
 Don
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] 12-Inch Button on Edison Disk Machine?

[Peter Fraser]

I've seen them on Chippendale consoles and William and Mary consoles. 

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Russ Ridley russrid...@shaw.ca wrote:

 they are found on my IU-19 Italian Umbrian.
 
 Russ
 
 
 
 
 On 2012-02-23, at 4:25 PM, Andrew Baron wrote:
 
 Interesting.  The 10 - 12 buttons on my first DD also were on a BC-34.  I've 
 only ever seen them on that one and some Laboratory Model C-19's.  Anyone 
 out there have them on other models??
 
 Andrew
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Attention iphone and phonograph users

[Peter Fraser]

Yeah, and with a long, flowing, and luxuriant hairstyle, a holdover of classic 
Oregon hippiedom...IIRC. 

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On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:

 I think I may have heard of this Jerry character. Isn't he a bicycle
 hoarder that lives on that old pulp mill commune near Salem?
 
 :)
 Loran
 
 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Jen jjgillo...@comcast.net wrote:
 Thanks again Scott, I will send him a message. Have a great day!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Scott and Denise Corbett 
 sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Hi Jen,
 Here is the email of a very nice collector who lives in Oregon, which
 is not too close to you, but he knows all the collectors up in that area.
 His name is Jerry Blais and he can be reached at:
 deedeebl...@yahoo.com
 
 I'm sure someone in your area can help you.
 
 -Scott
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday!

[Peter Fraser]

Suggestion:

Why don't we all use the comments function to try to straighten this poor 
misinformed guy out?

http://gizmodo.com/5884270/celebrate-thomas-edisons-165th-birthday-with-a-crash-course-on-his-life

-- peter
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On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Jim Nichol wrote:

 What is everyone doing for Edison's birthday? (Feb. 11, 1847)
 
 Jim Nichol
 
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Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C

[Peter Fraser]

Did these ship in the ICS config from the Edison factory, or were the repeater 
bits and ID tags added by others?  If the latter, the s/n would just be part of 
the normal sequence, right?  If the ICS people bought them in bulk there might 
be blocks of s/n's that are all ICS...

Hmmm. 

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On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:00 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:

 
 Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number?  I would bet it is up above 
 79.  Am I correct?
 That is a clean original horn also.  That was a great machine to start your 
 collection.
 
 Regards,
 
 Al
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Colgrove scott.colgr...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 8:47 am
 Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
 
 
 Hi Steve and Al,
 I’ve seen an ICS Standard D...it’s in my hallway!  
 http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/EdStdD.html
 This was the beast that caused my phono-collecting disease. It was the first 
 ylinder player I ever saw and the first purchased.
 Regards,
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard motor board frame needed

[Peter Fraser]

Hi -

I need a replacement for a broken motorboard frame, for an Edison Standard.  
This is the wood frame to which the metal bedplate mounts, which hinges upward 
to allow motor access.  Anybody have a spare lying around?

Thanks,

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Re: [Phono-L] Machines for Sale, offering to list first/

[Peter Fraser]

Feels like 18!  A real bicep builder. 

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On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:21 AM, allena...@aol.com wrote:

 six springs?
 
 allen
 
 
 
 In a message dated 11/22/2011 8:46:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 pjfra...@mac.com writes:
 
 Not  sure. Can you look at the pix and let me know?
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Machines for Sale, offering to list first/

[Peter Fraser]

My error. Hasn't checked the book yet!

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On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:21 AM, allena...@aol.com wrote:

 six springs?
 
 allen
 
 
 
 In a message dated 11/22/2011 8:46:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 pjfra...@mac.com writes:
 
 Not  sure. Can you look at the pix and let me know?
 
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[Phono-L] Columbia BC Details, was: Machines for Sale, offering to list first

[Peter Fraser]

I can take pix of whatever you'd like to see. So please send specifics and I'll 
get them out to you (and anyone else who's interested) tonight.

There are pix on the eBay listing, too of course.  Item #320799640156

By the way, somebody pointed out to me that this one has the 4-minute gearing 
attachment, which dates it to after late 1908 according to Hazelcorn's book. 

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On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:21 AM, allena...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
  Do you have a photo of the lower cabinet and motor? Thx.
 
 Allen
 --
 
 
 In a message dated 11/20/2011 1:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 pjfra...@mac.com writes:
 
 this is  the 65 lb big daddy with 6-spring motor, huge ornate oak case, 6 
 long  mandrel, and 4 diameter diaphragm Higham mechanically-amplifying 
 reproducer  from 1905. Rare as hens teeth, especially with the reproducer in 
 working  order. Has original aluminum witch's hat horn that fits the wide 
 throat of the  reproducer.  These simply do not turn up. 
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Re: [Phono-L] Machines for Sale, offering to list first

[Peter Fraser]

Not sure. Can you look at the pix and let me know?

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On Nov 22, 2011, at 5:15 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:

 
 hi peter
 is this machine in the seperntine case or the gg case
 just curious as mine has the early gg case
 thanks
 zono
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: AllenAmet allena...@aol.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 2:43 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Machines for Sale, offering to list first
 
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Do you have a photo of the lower cabinet and motor? Thx.
 
 llen
 -
 
 
 n a message dated 11/20/2011 1:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 jfra...@mac.com writes:
 this is  the 65 lb big daddy with 6-spring motor, huge ornate oak case, 6 
 ong  mandrel, and 4 diameter diaphragm Higham mechanically-amplifying 
 eproducer  from 1905. Rare as hens teeth, especially with the reproducer in 
 orking  order. Has original aluminum witch's hat horn that fits the wide 
 hroat of the  reproducer.  These simply do not turn up. 
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[Phono-L] Machines for Sale, offering to list first

[Peter Fraser]

Hi -

Got lucky recently on finding a machine I'd sought for years, but some other 
stuff needs to go to make space and to help pay for it. I plan to list these 
items on eBay this evening, but catch me before then and maybe we can avoid 
that and get you a better deal at the same time. 

Everything is located in the SF Bay Area. 

1.  Columbia BC 20th Century graphophone - this is the 65 lb big daddy with 
6-spring motor, huge ornate oak case, 6 long mandrel, and 4 diameter 
diaphragm Higham mechanically-amplifying reproducer from 1905. Rare as hens 
teeth, especially with the reproducer in working order. Has original aluminum 
witch's hat horn that fits the wide throat of the reproducer.  These simply do 
not turn up. 

2.  Amberola III, in mahogany case and with maroon bed plate. Clean and working 
perfectly, but to be sold without a reproducer. Case and horn and grill in very 
good shape, but the shelf underneath has been cleanly removed. We'll never know 
why, but I have a perfect pattern from which a replacement shelf can be made, 
as well as a line on an Edison A-150 which could receive the horn and other 
innards instead. Mech has the cylinder stop index rod which is so often 
missing, good paint and pinstriping.  An economical way to get into the top of 
the line Edison cylinder mechanism. 

3.  Victor VTLA. s/n 4114. Quite nice and all original. Red mahogany finish is 
still glossy outside and in, although there are few scuffs. No record boxes.  
Great plating and pinstriping under the hood and has its original reproducer, 
special needle cup and the often missing unique crank escutcheon. This machine 
uses the motor of the Victor VI. An excellent chance at a super early machine.

4.  Amberola 75 in mahogany. Nice starter machine with iffy cosmetics. Has the 
early two-setscrew carriage and brass body nickel plated diamond B reproducer 
rather than the commonly found black pot metal version. It's been stripped and 
lightened in color and has some veneer flaws. Complete except for the easily 
constructed slide out shelves. A cheap way to get a machine with built-in 
cylinder storage.

4.  Theodore Roosevelt campaign speeches on blue amberol. Enquire on titles.

Pictures upon request, and prices TBD. Let's talk. 

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com
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[Peter Fraser]

I made a typo and missed it - sorry- the diamond C (not B) came on the Amberola 
30, 50, and 75.  And it turns out the tops are all pot metal. For about the 
first two years the Diamond C has the brass sound tube soldered into the pot 
metal body.  The ones with the black top and weight came later, and in my 
experience are a lot less stable (and far less goodlooking) than the earlier 
ones. 

Sent from my iPhone

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pjfra...@mac.com

On Nov 20, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi -
 
 Got lucky recently on finding a machine I'd sought for years, but some other 
 stuff needs to go to make space and to help pay for it. I plan to list these 
 items on eBay this evening, but catch me before then and maybe we can avoid 
 that and get you a better deal at the same time. 
 
 Everything is located in the SF Bay Area. 
 
 1.  Columbia BC 20th Century graphophone - this is the 65 lb big daddy with 
 6-spring motor, huge ornate oak case, 6 long mandrel, and 4 diameter 
 diaphragm Higham mechanically-amplifying reproducer from 1905. Rare as hens 
 teeth, especially with the reproducer in working order. Has original aluminum 
 witch's hat horn that fits the wide throat of the reproducer.  These simply 
 do not turn up. 
 
 2.  Amberola III, in mahogany case and with maroon bed plate. Clean and 
 working perfectly, but to be sold without a reproducer. Case and horn and 
 grill in very good shape, but the shelf underneath has been cleanly removed. 
 We'll never know why, but I have a perfect pattern from which a replacement 
 shelf can be made, as well as a line on an Edison A-150 which could receive 
 the horn and other innards instead. Mech has the cylinder stop index rod 
 which is so often missing, good paint and pinstriping.  An economical way to 
 get into the top of the line Edison cylinder mechanism. 
 
 3.  Victor VTLA. s/n 4114. Quite nice and all original. Red mahogany finish 
 is still glossy outside and in, although there are few scuffs. No record 
 boxes.  Great plating and pinstriping under the hood and has its original 
 reproducer, special needle cup and the often missing unique crank escutcheon. 
 This machine uses the motor of the Victor VI. An excellent chance at a super 
 early machine.
 
 4.  Amberola 75 in mahogany. Nice starter machine with iffy cosmetics. Has 
 the early two-setscrew carriage and brass body nickel plated diamond B 
 reproducer rather than the commonly found black pot metal version. It's been 
 stripped and lightened in color and has some veneer flaws. Complete except 
 for the easily constructed slide out shelves. A cheap way to get a machine 
 with built-in cylinder storage.
 
 4.  Theodore Roosevelt campaign speeches on blue amberol. Enquire on titles.
 
 Pictures upon request, and prices TBD. Let's talk. 
 
 -- Peter
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[Phono-L] Oregon to SF Delivery Help?

[Peter Fraser]

Jerry Blais sold me a machine recently.  He was planning to visit the San 
Francisco area from Oregon and deliver it at that time, but sadly the trip got 
cancelled.

Beyond my disappointment to not have a visit from Jerry, I'm also now looking 
for help from others to get it from Oregon down to SF. 

Is anyone planning a trip, perhaps for thanksgiving?  I would of course be able 
to drive to meet you, perhaps in Sacramento or other convenient points.

It's just a small upright, but it's on legs that would be pretty vulnerable in 
shipping.  

Thanks for any help you can offer. 

-- Peter
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Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments

[Peter Fraser]

No jpg arrived here, FYI. 

Are you sure about removing size limits?  Not everyone on here knows how to 
reduce file sizes, and in this day of 14mp cameras things could blow up quickly 
and easily...

Sent from my iPhone

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On Oct 23, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:

 I've noticed lately that photo attachments to Phono-L aren't scrubbing 
 properly, so photos don't show up in the links like they're supposed to. 
 After much consideration, I've done a couple of things to address this.
 
 First, I've set up Phono-L to allow real photo attachments - this means 
 you'll be able to see the photo in the posting. Second, I've removed the size 
 limits on emails. If this works out and doesn't mess up the digest edition, 
 I'll leave it this way.
 
 For now, PDF and JPG files are the only types allowed. Please don't attach 
 huge files or more than a couple at a time. We'll see how this works out! If 
 anyone has problems, please let me know! As a test, I've attached a JPG.
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments

[Peter Fraser]

Try #2:  nope. 

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On Oct 23, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:

 I've made a setting adjustment and trying once again.
 
 Loran
 
 On Oct 23, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Rich wrote:
 
 Did the attachment make it to anybody?  Did not show up here Loran.
 
 On 10/23/2011 02:41 PM, Loran Hughes wrote:
 I've noticed lately that photo attachments to Phono-L aren't scrubbing 
 properly, so photos don't show up in the links like they're supposed to. 
 After much consideration, I've done a couple of things to address this.
 
 First, I've set up Phono-L to allow real photo attachments - this means 
 you'll be able to see the photo in the posting. Second, I've removed the 
 size limits on emails. If this works out and doesn't mess up the digest 
 edition, I'll leave it this way.
 
 For now, PDF and JPG files are the only types allowed. Please don't attach 
 huge files or more than a couple at a time. We'll see how this works out! 
 If anyone has problems, please let me know! As a test, I've attached a JPG.
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Your Feedback Is Appreciated...

[Peter Fraser]

Macs have always been able to use flash. The iOS used by iPads and iPhones does 
not. This is intentional, because flash is bloatware which is very resource 
intensive, and thus bigs down processors and uses up battery charge unnecessary 
quickly.

YouTube and many others have abandoned flash in favor of HTML5.  Highly 
unlikely that apple will kluge up its stuff to be backward compatible now, 
steve or no steve.

But as far as Vinyl's free site goes, he doesn't have the choice. The price is 
real right, so no quibbles here.

But the rest of my suggestions still stand, if they are useful. 

Sent from my iPhone

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On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com wrote:

 I was told by a loyal Mac person tonight that the new version of the IPad
 should include an emulator that allows MAC users to open Flashplayer files.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Peter Fraser
 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:46 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Your Feedback Is Appreciated...
 
 Ok I got out my Mac and surfed your site.  A few impressions:
 
 1.  You might want to not have the audio automatically start upon navigating
 to each page, that is, default to pause rather than play.  This prevents the
 music from becoming an annoyance as you go back and forth - you keep hearing
 the beginning of the song. The song is good if there's enough content on the
 page to hold you there for the duration of the tune, but most are quick
 click-throughs so far. I like them better on the dedicated music page only.
 
 2.  The links to external items, such as the YouTube slide show of charles's
 stuff, would be better as page embeds than taking you to a new window. Plus
 your site's music keeps playing while the new content tries to play its own
 audio at the same time.
 
 3.  Captions on the photos so we can figure out who we're looking at.
 
 4.  Classified ads page needs simplification - single line listings that are
 chronologically arranged, linked to details. The flipping pictures thing
 precludes adding listings easily, if that's your intent.
 
 5. Homepage has a few click here hotspots as well as a row of lozenges
 along the top. The home-about us button has no function, and could be
 replaced by a link to the music page, which eliminates the need for the
 victor ii hotspot.  The large needle tin pic hotspot blows up the picture,
 which could just be added to the photo gallery. The facebook logo is a bit
 too prominent.
 
 5.  Why access the link to dismuke and a couple of audio files thru the
 photo gallery page?
 
 Nice start. The wix service is new to me and looks like a fun way to play
 around with webdesign. Hope this helps. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Oct 11, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote:
 
 I'll take a peek at the actual site when I have time to go fire up a
 computer, but for now, here's my suggestion...
 
 It would be nice if you could move it to modern web standards by
 implementing html5, so more of us can enjoy it, or to at least provide a
 flash-free version.  As it is configured now, I can't get past whatever the
 initial splash page is serving.  Most pro pages at least give a link to
 bypass those sorts of initial animations (or whatever it is).  Past that, I
 don't know how much you rely on flash, but again if you could provide a
 means of bypassing it, many of us would be grateful.
 
 Anxious to see what it looks like...
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:
 
 
 I have re-done our website and need some constructive feedback from you
 guys/girls...
 www.carolinaphonosociety.com
 Also, if you have any events, pictures of collections, events, etc. -
 that you would like to have  posted on our site, please let me know.
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Re: [Phono-L] Ebay does it again (delete if not interested)

[Peter Fraser]

On your Mac, use the built in utility Grab.

Sent from my iPhone

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 
 Another trick for downloading photos, since a lot of websites and sellers are 
 posting flash pics, which do not respond to a right-click save: in VISTA or 
 WIN 7 go to your START button, click on ALL programs - scroll down to 
 accessories and click it - a list will appear - scroll down to Snipping 
 Tool and click it - a window should appear in your task bar titled Snipping 
 Tool and it will ask if you would like to add it to your Quick Launch bar - 
 click Yes and it will place itself to the right of your START button. Now, 
 when you want to copy ANYTHING, whether it is normally something you can copy 
 or not, you just click on the snipping tool - click NEW and drag an outline 
 around the picture or entire window you want to capture and it will save it 
 as a graphic image - one caveat is that it leaves a small red outline around 
 your pic, but other than that it works great. If you don't like the red line 
 you can get a program called SNAG-IT, which captures images without the l
 in
 e. Snipping Tool is free - Snag-It is not - however you can find it for free 
 on http://www.filecrop.com - and I am not endorsing that method, if you 
 choose to pursue it...
 
 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400
 From: thatc...@mediaguide.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay does it again (delete if not interested)
 
 you can always download the image.  Even in Firefox.
 Just right click view Source
 then download the jpeg file.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Thatcher Graham
 Senior Field Engineer
 Mediaguide
 
 
 
 
 
 On 10/12/2011 3:58 PM, Dennis Back wrote:
 It seems that ebay has done another update and it not a good one for the 
 consumer.
 
 What is happening now is that when an auction is over (completed) ebay has 
 now removed the seller's pictures that were posted to the ebay server.  The 
 only picture remaining is a very small thumbnail which is partly 
 obliterated with the word ended. 
 
 It should be noted that any pictures that the seller has posted on an 
 external site such as photobucket or inkfrog, etc, is still visible on the 
 completed auctions.
 
 This problem was originally thought to be a glitch that they were working 
 on, but since being told this, I have read that this was fully intentional 
 by ebay...probably to save server space.  You ask one rep and they tell you 
 something different (what else is new?).
 
 There is a temporary fix that you can do, though. In the address bar of the 
 competed item, you can replace the .com with .ca or .co.uk or any 
 other foreign ebay server address. This will let you see the completed 
 auction with all the ebay photos.
 
 Some of the ebay customer service reps were clueless as to why I or anyone 
 else would need to see ALL the ebay pics! One even said that the 
 obliterated thumbnail of ONE pic was enough for us! 
 
 As a side note about saving the pics, remember that you can save ebay pics 
 if you use Internet Explorer and right click the photo. This does NOT work 
 using Firefox.  
 
 Hope this helps someone out there in phono-land.
 
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[Peter Fraser]

I'll take a peek at the actual site when I have time to go fire up a computer, 
but for now, here's my suggestion...

It would be nice if you could move it to modern web standards by implementing 
html5, so more of us can enjoy it, or to at least provide a flash-free version. 
 As it is configured now, I can't get past whatever the initial splash page is 
serving.  Most pro pages at least give a link to bypass those sorts of initial 
animations (or whatever it is).  Past that, I don't know how much you rely on 
flash, but again if you could provide a means of bypassing it, many of us would 
be grateful.

Anxious to see what it looks like...

Sent from my iPad

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 
 I have re-done our website and need some constructive feedback from you 
 guys/girls...
 www.carolinaphonosociety.com
 Also, if you have any events, pictures of collections, events, etc. - that 
 you would like to have  posted on our site, please let me know.
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Re: [Phono-L] Your Feedback Is Appreciated...

[Peter Fraser]

Ok I got out my Mac and surfed your site.  A few impressions:

1.  You might want to not have the audio automatically start upon navigating to 
each page, that is, default to pause rather than play.  This prevents the music 
from becoming an annoyance as you go back and forth - you keep hearing the 
beginning of the song. The song is good if there's enough content on the page 
to hold you there for the duration of the tune, but most are quick 
click-throughs so far. I like them better on the dedicated music page only.

2.  The links to external items, such as the YouTube slide show of charles's 
stuff, would be better as page embeds than taking you to a new window. Plus 
your site's music keeps playing while the new content tries to play its own 
audio at the same time.

3.  Captions on the photos so we can figure out who we're looking at.

4.  Classified ads page needs simplification - single line listings that are 
chronologically arranged, linked to details. The flipping pictures thing 
precludes adding listings easily, if that's your intent.

5. Homepage has a few click here hotspots as well as a row of lozenges along 
the top. The home-about us button has no function, and could be replaced by a 
link to the music page, which eliminates the need for the victor ii hotspot.  
The large needle tin pic hotspot blows up the picture, which could just be 
added to the photo gallery. The facebook logo is a bit too prominent.

5.  Why access the link to dismuke and a couple of audio files thru the photo 
gallery page?

Nice start. The wix service is new to me and looks like a fun way to play 
around with webdesign. Hope this helps. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Oct 11, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote:

 I'll take a peek at the actual site when I have time to go fire up a 
 computer, but for now, here's my suggestion...
 
 It would be nice if you could move it to modern web standards by implementing 
 html5, so more of us can enjoy it, or to at least provide a flash-free 
 version.  As it is configured now, I can't get past whatever the initial 
 splash page is serving.  Most pro pages at least give a link to bypass those 
 sorts of initial animations (or whatever it is).  Past that, I don't know how 
 much you rely on flash, but again if you could provide a means of bypassing 
 it, many of us would be grateful.
 
 Anxious to see what it looks like...
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:
 
 
 I have re-done our website and need some constructive feedback from you 
 guys/girls...
 www.carolinaphonosociety.com
 Also, if you have any events, pictures of collections, events, etc. - that 
 you would like to have  posted on our site, please let me know.
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[Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them

[Peter Fraser]

I changed the subject line since this is how the conversation is drifting.  And 
here's the full story.

There are lots of folks on eBay now who put random shipping prices into their 
listings because of the restrictions eBay automatically imposes. For example, I 
always put $1 in there and clearly state in the listing that I'll get the 
actual shipping cost once we know the winner's location, and bill that amount.  
That's the fair thing to do.

This guy said in his listing that he would ship it as cheaply as possible, 
but then also had $50 showing in the shipping slot.

So all I did was politely enquire as to whether he wanted to quote actual 
shipping now that he knew my location.  That could have worked in either 
direction, by the way.

In return I got a rant about how he doesn't know how to pack and how he has UPS 
pack for him, and that he actually wouldn't ship it as cheaply as possible as 
stated in the listing, but for $50.  I immediately went back to him agreeing to 
that (because it wasn't worth the quibble over a $10 overcharge), but asking 
him to please make sure the tip of the stylus was protected before handing it 
off to the random UPS folks.  We all know how easily Columbia floating 
reproducers can bang into mandrels, but others don't.

And I heard nothing back, even though I pinged him a couple more times.  So I 
looked him up and phoned him, politely seeking to complete our contract.  He 
cursed at me and hung up on me, but still got nothing via eBay from him.  I 
went thru eBay to try to get him to complete the deal, but no luck - but did 
succeed in getting him a black mark.  If I had paid, it would have been more 
severe and eBay would have paid me, then delisted him.  But when he didn't 
respond I knew it was fishy, so I held up on the money, thank goodness.  The 
transaction is STILL live now, btw...I could still send the money.

Yeah, I was surprised at his seemingly good feedback, too.  According to it, 
he's your standard A+ best ebayer ever! will do business again! which 
is so meaningful and special as we all know, right?

-- Peter
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On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:42 PM, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote:

 Yes, that does look like an exceptionally nice machine - wish I had seen it 
 and bid on it!  And I could have just picked it up here in Minneapolis since 
 he offered free local pickup (ebay 370545662693).  Somehow, when someone 
 advertises right in the eBay ad what the shipping will cost,  most buyers 
 just figure that into their bid limit and so it makes no sense to question it 
 AFTER you bid. It really makes no difference to your pocketbook to pay little 
 for an item plus lots for shipping, or lots for the item and little for 
 shipping - that used to be a way sellers lowered eBay final value fees until 
 eBay started charging the fees on the shipping cost too.
 
 I just wonder about the problem since this seller had 2584 feedbacks with 
 100% good feedbacks over the past 12 months, until now.  Looks like a good 
 seller, except it certainly wasn't right for him to sell it elsewhere so 
 quickly.
 
 Sorry, I don't have the reproducer or the machine you are looking for.
 
 -- Greg Farmer
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder 
 reproducer wanted
 
 
 That's immaterial because you don't have the particulars, nor have you seen 
 the communication.
 
 Too bad it turned out like this, but they turn up, and I'll certainly find 
 one.  His business practices and attitude were quite poor despite the best 
 efforts of both me and eBay, so I thought I'd pass the warning along.  I 
 smelled a rat so held up payment, which was a real stroke of luck.
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:
 
 
 You won a nice original machine... original reproducer, original belt cover 
 (which is usually missing), original patent disc (which is often missing 
 and can cost $50 or more), original lid - overall nice machine - not bad 
 for $368 and $50 shipping - I wouldn't ship one for less than $50, because 
 of the inherent risk and required packing. I doubt that you will find one 
 in that condition for less...
 
 From: pjfra...@mac.com
 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:02:37 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder 
 reproducer wanted
 
 Hey gang -
 
 I'm looking for a Columbia model B Eagle graphophone, as well as a 
 Columbia reproducer that is correct for an early (plain-case) Columbia AT.
 
 Any leads or offers?  Thanks...
 
 I'm using the reproducer off my Q on the AT for now, but want it to have 
 its own.
 
 And I won an Eagle on eBay last week, but the fraudster seller sold it out 
 from under me when I tried to give him some safe shipping tips

[Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder reproducer wanted

[Peter Fraser]

Hey gang -

I'm looking for a Columbia model B Eagle graphophone, as well as a Columbia 
reproducer that is correct for an early (plain-case) Columbia AT.

Any leads or offers?  Thanks...

I'm using the reproducer off my Q on the AT for now, but want it to have its 
own.

And I won an Eagle on eBay last week, but the fraudster seller sold it out from 
under me when I tried to give him some safe shipping tips and questioned his 
exorbitant shipping charges. Beware seller Jason Kudrna of Minneapolis aka eBay 
ID oraetlabora - eBay has been notified. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder reproducer wanted

[Peter Fraser]

That's immaterial because you don't have the particulars, nor have you seen the 
communication.

Too bad it turned out like this, but they turn up, and I'll certainly find one. 
 His business practices and attitude were quite poor despite the best efforts 
of both me and eBay, so I thought I'd pass the warning along.  I smelled a rat 
so held up payment, which was a real stroke of luck.

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 
 You won a nice original machine... original reproducer, original belt cover 
 (which is usually missing), original patent disc (which is often missing and 
 can cost $50 or more), original lid - overall nice machine - not bad for $368 
 and $50 shipping - I wouldn't ship one for less than $50, because of the 
 inherent risk and required packing. I doubt that you will find one in that 
 condition for less...
 
 From: pjfra...@mac.com
 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:02:37 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder
 reproducer wanted
 
 Hey gang -
 
 I'm looking for a Columbia model B Eagle graphophone, as well as a 
 Columbia reproducer that is correct for an early (plain-case) Columbia AT.
 
 Any leads or offers?  Thanks...
 
 I'm using the reproducer off my Q on the AT for now, but want it to have its 
 own.
 
 And I won an Eagle on eBay last week, but the fraudster seller sold it out 
 from under me when I tried to give him some safe shipping tips and 
 questioned his exorbitant shipping charges. Beware seller Jason Kudrna of 
 Minneapolis aka eBay ID oraetlabora - eBay has been notified. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question

[Peter Fraser]

i had an A, post 1902 by your reckoning below, with a 2/4 kit.  it had the 
little flip-back gear train as well as the moveable gear.  Kind of an exercise 
in futility because all the extra friction made the poor, weak, motor only 
sometimes able to get through a 4 minute record.

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Sep 3, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Steven Medved wrote:

 
 Good point, until the Gem A got the B reproducer in 1902 the carriage would 
 have to be changed to accomodate the H reproducer.  The only box I have seen 
 for 2/4 Gem kit says B-C on it.  I would be interested if the A had a kit.
 From: glast...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 20:29:53 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question
 
 These are for Models B and C.  Red Gems were combination from the beginning 
 and I don't think As could be converted.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: mdsor...@aol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 6:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question
 
 
 there is no button or switch on this one as far as I remember, you just 
 move the gear to either engage or disengage giving you 2 or 4 minute.
 
 Mike Sorter
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: clockworkh...@aol.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:31 am
 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question
 
 
 
 Greetings Everyone:
 
 I have had a somewhat negative interaction with eBay seller eschalpin 
 who is
 selling a Gem 2 - 4 minute conversion gearing.  He claims the unit is 
 complete.
 I asked how you change the gearing speeds and he told me not to send him 
 anymore
 emails.  I believe the 'complete' unit is missing the knob and dual size
 intermediate gear that does the shifting.  Since eschalpin of the District 
 of
 Columbia won't answer the question I thought I would query this learned 
 group.
 How does one get two gear speeds on eBay item 250883944435
 
 Thanks,
 
 Al
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn

[Peter Fraser]

Ok I'll toss in some more data:  the original halfnut on my branded case gem 
(early gem-only reproducer) has a different pitch than that of the later A/B 
carriage I sometimes fit to it. I use that carriage so I can use a B or C 
reproducer on it. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote:

 So here's a question:
 
 Will the original half-nut on an original early Triumph A properly fit the 
 feed screw that comes with an Edison add-on 2/4 set-up that was made for the 
 model B?
 
 Andy
 
 On Aug 27, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Rich wrote:
 
 Take a look at an early Triumph A. Or a long case red banner Home A.
 
 On 08/27/2011 06:59 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I would like to publically thank Mike Tucker for enlightening me.  I have 
 only had to work with the feedscrews on my very early machines and never 
 looked closely at the later feedscrews.  Mike suggested I get a USB 
 microscope for my computer.  It arrived last week and I began to look over 
 later feedscrews.  They certainly are 60º feedscrews.  Now the question is 
 when did Edison change over?  The 1892 Class M project machine of mine had 
 buttress and examining an 1896 Spring Motor it was the same.  Looking at a 
 Triumph B, C, D, E, F,  G the feedscrew is 60º threads.  That will teach 
 me never to take the later machines so lightly ! ! !
 
 This just goes to prove what I have always said, You are always learning 
 something new about Edison machines.
 
 The fun never stops.  A big thank you to Mike.
 
 Regards to all,
 
 Al
 
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[Phono-L] Number needed

[Peter Fraser]

I wonder if anyone would please pass along the phone number for the Croakin' 
Frog guy, a dealer in upstate NY.

Traveling that way soon and thought it might be fun to pay a visit.

Thanks...

-- Peter
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Re: [Phono-L] Number needed

[Peter Fraser]

thanks all.  heard from him, but he says he's traveling so no visits...

Sent from my iPad

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pjfra...@mac.com

On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:55 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:

 you can contact him through his ebay auctions
 i have
 zono
 
 
 In a message dated 8/10/2011 1:15:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 pjfra...@mac.com writes:
 
 I wonder  if anyone would please pass along the phone number for the 
 Croakin' Frog guy,  a dealer in upstate NY.
 
 Traveling that way soon and thought it might be  fun to pay a visit.
 
 Thanks...
 
 --  Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
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Re: [Phono-L] Hello??

[Peter Fraser]

Oh we forgot to tell you:  the new list mom is Helen Waite. If you are having 
trouble with anything list-related, please go to Helen Waite. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:10 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

 I mean I wrote Loran.
 
 --- On Sat, 7/30/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
 
 From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
 Subject: [Phono-L] Hello??
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:05 PM
 
 Haven't received any messages for a couple of weeks..I've posted, but haven't 
 seen the post come up..also wrote Jerry but the email came back as refused. 
 Am I an outcast??? Shunned???
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] A-250 Diamond Disk

[Peter Fraser]

Does it have gold or oxidized bronze hardware?

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jul 13, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote:

 Hi Jerry ~
 
 What a great find to turn up locally!
 
 Although I won't be the buyer, I have a particular interest in learning and 
 documenting some of the details of this machine.  The serial number seems a 
 little late for the slotted cabinet, but it wouldn't be the first Edison 
 anomaly.  I'd love to see a photo under the lid, and compare the brake and 
 bedplate details with my A-250 which has a lower serial number (SM-1429), but 
 no slots in the cabinet.  There were a couple of notable brake lever 
 variations on these first-generation DD machines (prior to Dec 1914 Edison 
 factory fire).  
 
 There should be a serial number on the bedplate under the platter.  It would 
 be nice to note if it's the same or different from the number on the data 
 plate.
 
 It would also be interesting to note if it does not have the tone-modulator 
 mute ball.  I would guess that this A-250 you've discovered has none unless 
 it was added later.  I believe that Frow noted that November 1914 was the 
 introduction of that feature but by then, the serial numbers may have been 
 six digits.
 
 I have a short list of other variable A-250 details I'd like to check on if 
 possible.  If you have photos, it might answer some of these questions.
 
 Thanks for mentioning this find to the group.  
 
 Andy Baron
 Santa Fe
 
 
 On Jul 13, 2011, at 1:19 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote:
 
 I looked at an A-250 Diamond Disk that will be selling at a local auction 
 this Friday.  The serial number is 2,xxx and it has the side slots like an 
 Amberola 1-A.  I could be delivered to CAPS.  If interested or have 
 questions, please give me a call at 541-926-2843 or my cell 541-990-0781.  
 Thanks, Jerry Blais
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Re: [Phono-L] Berliner discography

[Peter Fraser]

Sorry if I'm being a little thick this morning, but what specifically does Paul 
seek about each record?

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 Paul Charosh is compiling a new Berliner discography, and he would appreciate 
 any first-hand inspections of original Berliner discs, even if it may be 
 copies he's already looked at.  I've agreed to help spread the word for him, 
 so if you have any Berliner discs in your holdings, you may email him at 
 sandbar...@aol.com or reply to me, and I'll pass them along, whatever is 
 easier for you. It goes to press in a few weeks, so now is a great chance to 
 get involved in something.
 
 -Ryan Barna
 facebook.com/phonostalgia 
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[Phono-L] Fwd: [STOREF 2047] Re: 100 years of IBM: Milestones

[Peter Fraser]

Most Edisonians already know about the Livermore Bulb, but in case you don't... 

Sent from my iPhone

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: Steve Wozniak st...@woz.org
 Date: June 17, 2011 4:23:32 PM PDT
 To: Steve's Joke List: ;
 Subject: [STOREF 2047] Re: 100 years of IBM: Milestones
 

 Posting from sto...@berglist.com listserver
 
 
 Dear old Big Blue may be  100, but the Livermore lightbulb is 10 years older,
 and still going strong  !
 
 http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2011/06/16/Calif-light-bulb-is-110-years-old/UPI-65741308265866/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 (contributed to Woz by Roger Hoyt)
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Re: [Phono-L] I'll buy that and what is your address? - A favor

[Peter Fraser]

The rest of us enjoyed it too, except maybe the guy who originated the keep it 
off the list thread!

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
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On Jun 15, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:

 Rich, off list,
 
 If Eric Holder and Wiener ran for president it would be Wiener Holder.
 
 I really liked the dig you got r in.
 
 Steve
 
 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:39:45 -0500
 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I'll buy that and what is your address? - A favor
 
 The problem is this. Many members of this list use a web based email 
 portal or email program that is set up by default to display subject 
 only. As we have a discovered over many years of email lists there are 
 various levels of computer expertise among the list participants. This 
 makes it difficult for some people to know exactly who they are 
 responding to and/or how to change the subject line.
 
 So, to address this I have found that setting up the stand alone e-mail 
 program so as to display a complete preview window when the subject is 
 selected. If the actual message is seriously off topic and of no 
 interest it is rapidly dealt with. I have noticed over the years that 
 all the requests to put OT in the subject, change the subject to be 
 germane, reply off list etc. Just do not really have much impact other 
 than to seriously chill the list traffic.
 
 I have also found that attempting to help someone setup an email program 
 over the internet is near impossible. So I just don't worry much about 
 off topic, incorrect subject, mis directed replies and the other things 
 that happen.
 
 Just think how many people in the corporate/government world have 
 seriously limited or terminated their careers by not being 
 email/computer literate. Weiner anyone?
 
 Rich
 
 On 06/15/2011 12:34 PM, Dennis Back wrote:
 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I'll buy that and what is your address? - A favor
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 It is not a big deal John, I know how the DELETE key works.
 
 
 
 Dear Rich  and the group,
 
 I assure you I know how to use the DELETE key, also.
 
 Thing is...I elect to receive my emails with a title only, meaning I do not 
 see a preview of the first 2 lines.  I prefer it this way due to space on 
 my email page. I not know what is in the email until I open it.
 
 That said, I have been following the Ferguson thread, because several of 
 the emails had questions and answers pertaining to John's book, the label 
 he was including, and also the content of the book. There was also talk of 
 the death of Kimmett.  In addition, there was also a discussion of 
 copyright rules.
 
 Had I DELETED the emails, I would not have seen these posts, and yes, I am 
 interested in all of the above.  I, too, have the original booklet and 
 purchased it from Leo years ago.
 
 So that is why I didn't use the DELETE key, and requested that members 
 please double check so that they send private emails to the private email 
 addresses and not to the list.
 
 This is common internet protocol.
 
 Yes, I have on occasion made the mistake of sending an email public when I 
 intended to send it privately.  As I said in my first email, I do make 
 mistakes.
 
 I hope this explains my original post.
 
 Regards,
 Dennis
 
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Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

[Peter Fraser]

if he were a mafia hit man, his nickname would be Mikey The Kneecapper!

-- Peter
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On Jun 14, 2011, at 4:14 AM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Mike Patella (not Patello):
 Nine-five-four-six-four-nine-one-zero-three-seven
 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:27:00 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union
 
 HI ALL
 MIKE IS IN NORTH FLORIDA NEAR LAKE CITY
 BILL ENDLEIN MAY HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: nick manolakis nippe...@hawaii.rr.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:39 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union
 
 
 Tank you for the info on the Vtla 
 Is their anyone know how to get in contact with Mike Patello ?
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union
 
 
 Mike Patello (spelling?) from Florida had one in a booth directly behind
 Norm and Janyne Smith and across fom Don and Bobby Gfell. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On Behalf Of William Taney
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:22 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union
 
 There was one out in the tent directly past the door to the hall.
 Bill
 
 On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
 
 I didn't see a VTLA but Doug Defeis did have a Circassion 16 for sale.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On
 Behalf Of nick manolakis
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:51 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union
 
 Hi you all,
 
 I heard that someone had a nice VTLA CIRCASSION WALNUT.
 Does anyone know if it was sold? Or, if it possibly was not sold, does 
 anyone have the sellers name  contact information?
 
 Thank you,
 Nick
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott M phonogra...@charter.net
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union
 
 
 HI Rob;
 
 Union was great this year. There were so many high-quality
 phonographs, 
 tons
 of records, lots of brown wax, and things seemed to be selling.  This
 was
 the year of Victor 6s, Edison Operas,  Zonophones(at least 3 Model
 A's 
 and
 a model B.)
 
 The show didn't get crowded until late morning and from the people I
 spoke
 with, they said they sold fairly well.
 
 Some of the highlights I saw were:
 
 Bell-Tainter Model G
 North American
 Edison Bell Commercial
 Mahogany Victor 5
 Columiba S Coin-op with its base
 
 I didn't really check the prices, since I wasn't much of a buyer this 
 year.
 I'm sure someone else can fill this in.
 
 Overall, prices were fair, but on the high-end items, the prices were 
 high.
 It just shows that the best of the best keeps going up and can be a
 good
 investment.
 
 Scott
 
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 [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com
 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 5:39 PM
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy

[Peter Fraser]

I had one and sold it for three times what I paid. Couldn't wait to get rid of 
it. Ugly and clunky and huge and ungainly and heavy, and useful only to 
completist collectors and WWI fans. 

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On May 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William Taney b...@taney.com wrote:

 I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the 
 feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that 
 would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally)
 
 Bill
 On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to 
 the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all 
 of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never 
 brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with 
 the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? 
 
 Bruce 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com 
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM 
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 
 
 I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I 
 remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was 
 in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it 
 myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. 
 Check religiously and one will pop up. 
 Bruce 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com 
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM 
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 
 
 
 I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be 
 worth about 800 bucks. 
 Bill 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for 
 something 
 more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. 
 
 How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to 
 find 
 one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example 
 command in today's market? 
 
 On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli  
 philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: 
 
 Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the 
 model. 
 PC 
  
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
 Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM 
 To: Antique Phonograph List 
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 
 
 I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would 
 know 
 it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or 
 possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original 
 Army  
 Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial 
 numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still 
 exist 
 ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just 
 a 
 guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians 
 place 
 on models where the actual production output is known. 
 
 Bruce 
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 Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army  Navy phonographs were 
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Re: [Phono-L] Off Topic - Radio Conversion

[Peter Fraser]

I listen to baseball games, which haven't really changed over the years, on 
mine. I have a radiola 17 driving headphones hooked to an adaptor gizmo that 
mates to the tonearm of my 10-50. 

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On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well-I just went the old radio route myself and found a low wattage AM
 transmitter that puts out a signal that you tune to a dead spot on the AM
 dial. I hooked it up to my CD player and you should see the look on friends
 faces when I turn it on and you hear The Shadow knows
 It works really well and having a couple of hundred old radio programs on CD
 I really enjoy listening to it-and while it might be these old ears it
 sounds better on this big ol' Zenith than on my up-to-date system.
 Abe
 
 On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote:
 
 
 A guy was recently throwing this old radio in the trash... it was under a
 house for years, muddy, rusted guts, black plastic painted with white house
 paint... trash!!! So, I did what any normal scavenging collector would do,
 I recycled it. I made it into a retro iPod dock which charges my iTouch and
 plays wonderful old radio music on Radio Dismuke or whatever source. I never
 got into radios like phonos, because I didn't want to listen to current
 music on an old radio... part of the nostalgia of phonographs is the actual
 music played just like it once was. Now it's the best of both worlds.
 Curt
 
 
 
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[Phono-L] Edison connecting tubing?

[Peter Fraser]

Can anyone recommend an original source for black thinwall rubber tubing, for 
use in connecting Edison cylinder reproducers with suspended horns?

Some dealers offer it for a buck or two an inch, but where do they (or we) get 
it directly?

Thanks, 

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison connecting tubing?

[Peter Fraser]

Anybody have the specs or catalog numbers?

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On Feb 14, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:

 McMaster-Carr
 
 On 02/14/2011 01:37 PM, Peter Fraser wrote:
 Can anyone recommend an original source for black thinwall rubber tubing, 
 for use in connecting Edison cylinder reproducers with suspended horns?
 
 Some dealers offer it for a buck or two an inch, but where do they (or we) 
 get it directly?
 
 Thanks,
 
 -- Peter
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[Phono-L] Gem carriage wanted

[Peter Fraser]

Does anybody have a spare Gem A or B carriage rattling around the spare 
parts bin?  

I want to find one to use on my branded-case A, to temporarily allow it to use 
a C reproducer rather than the weak early Gem reproducer when I feel like 
having it sound better. 

Let me know what you've got and what $$ or trade you'd like for it, off list 
please. Thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356

[Peter Fraser]

ALFA ROMEO. 

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On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:02 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

 It's starting to look to me like all phonograph collectors have Porsches, 
 Triumphs and MGs...maybe we need to start Porsche-L??  :-)
 John
 
 --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:30 AM
 
 Sooo Jerry, did you sell the 356 and keep the VW diesel rabbit?
 Inquiring minds want to know.
 Mike
 Oldcranky
 
 On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Jan and Harold dynawh...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 I couldn't agree with you more Jerry.  My ex had one. I loved driving that
 car. Some people called it a glorified VW, but it had power galore!  There
 were a number of times that guys came over and opened the car door for me
 when I drove that carI knew it wasn't me because it never happened once
 when I drove the old Toyota :)
 Jan
 
 
 Victoria BC
 
 
 
 
 On 2011-01-21, at 9:57 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote:
 
 I was going to let this British car stuff run its course but I can't help
 myself.  You have not driven a car until you've experienced a Porsche
 356.  The
 car begged to be driven. When it turned 90,000 miles we drove it 90 mph
 and it
 wanted to go faster.  It started every time and you didn't need to keep
 AAA on
 the speed dial.  It did mark its spot in the garage but that was a small
 price
 to pay.  Jerry Blais
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Phonograph related theft

[Peter Fraser]

Died of AIDS in prison, I heard. 

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On Jan 23, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Anybody know what happened to Dr. Phillip Peterson, the former Stanford U. 
 professor that stole thousands of Edison documents from the Edison Site back 
 in the 1980s?
 
 Some of  the documents were phonograph related.  
 
 All I could find was that he was imprisoned, granted parole, but then later 
 arrested again for selling more items.  The second arrest was aided by a 
 historian (Henry Bartholomew Cox) who was helping the FBI.
 
 These are the two links I found:
 
 http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-29/news/mn-5074_1
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102265.html
 
 They don't really say what finally happened to him.
 
 Was there an article in MAPS In The Groove, or in the defunct New Amberola 
 Graphic?  I seem to remember something, but now, on the internet, I didn't 
 find too much.  
 
 Dennis 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram

[Peter Fraser]

Dog is my copilot!

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On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:48 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

 No rush..my god passed away and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my phono 
 purchases have sort of taken a downturn for the moment...
 Thanks
 John
 
 --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote:
 
 From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM
 
 Hi. Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting out our 
 duplicate holdings so found a lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio ) :)
 
 Best, Darren
 
 
 ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦
 ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦  www.ingram.fi ¦ 
 ¦ 
 ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi 
 ¦
 ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001
 ¦
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles wrote:
 
 Thank you Darren, no hurry.
 John
 
 --- On Fri, 12/31/10, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote:
 
 From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:27 AM
 
 Possibly a couple but I cannot check for a day or two until after the 
 holiday.
 
 Darren
 
 
 ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦
 ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦  www.ingram.fi ¦ 
 ¦ 
 ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi 
 ¦
 ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001
 ¦
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 31 dec 2010, at 14.23, john robles wrote:
 
 Does anyone have copies of the New Phonogram available for sale?? Repros 
 are acceptable.
 Thanks
 John Robles
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[Phono-L] 8-9 motor and knobs, was: Potential Fraud - Beware (?)

[Peter Fraser]

I have an 8-9 out in the garage. I can't remember why now, but I replaced the 
original motor with a 4-spring from a junker Credenza. If I can find the old 
original motor, do you want it?

Which reminds me...does anyone have a spare pair of 8-9 knobs?  Mine have lost 
their decorative end caps. 

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jan 14, 2011, at 9:28 PM, hexaph...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 My bad.  Haven't identified a correct motor yet, but talking to some 
 including George.  He's a great resource and is looking for me.  The issue I 
 found with this motor is that although it appears to be a typical Victrola 
 double spring motor, it is not the standard motor made for most console and 
 upright Victrolas from about 1915 onward.  This being an orthophinc machine 
 from the late 20's, the motor is similar in appearance, but is different in 
 size and dimension e.g 3 1/2 inches from spindle to crank shaft versus 5 7/8 
 on a typical motor I have come across. The motor frame aseembly that mounts 
 to the motor board also measures slightly larger than the standard double 
 barrel I have seen at 3 1/2 on the small end and 6 inches on the larger end 
 vs 3 1/2 and 5 5/8
  
 Ron
 
 
 --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote:
 
 
 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 10:24 PM
 
 
 Sorry,  I meant did you ever find a suitable motor?  Have you talked with
 George Vollema?
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of hexaph...@sbcglobal.net
 Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:20 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
 
 I suspect the motor doesn't exist, thus I'd never get it.  He keeps avoiding
 my request for a picture to validate whether it is a correct one.  It seems
 there are scammers scouring the various boards on the net including
 phonograph forums.  I prefer to keep to those I am familar with.
  
 Ron
 
 --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote:
 
 
 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:49 PM
 
 
 Did you ever get the motor?  Is it different from the usual spring motors
 for Victors of that period?
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of hexaph...@sbcglobal.net
 Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:56 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi all.  On one of the phonograph forums I had a Wanted notice indicating
 I was looking for a Victrola Orthophonic 8-9 motor.  I received a response
 from a Brian Kidd.  His email is bra...@blumail.org . This one has all the
 red flags waving.  He keeps spelling his own name incorrectly for one.  He
 is located in Italy and wants a money gram or western union payment and his
 pricing is way out of line i.e. not even reasonable.  He wanted 690 euro or
 more than $900 for a motor of which, of course, he had  in stock.  Playing
 along, I asked for pictures.  None have been provided (surprise).  Anyone
 else familar with this individual?  I would assume he is responding to other
 people looking for items.  Just for a final amusement, I sent him an email
 stating I would most certainly send a western union for the full amount once
 I received the product.  I am waiting for my reply.  Beware.
  
 Ron
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Re: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors

[Peter Fraser]

How could I forget?  Although it was more than once he tried to do it!

He was a presumptuous (and kinda snotty) guy, who now seems to have left or 
receded from the hobby...

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On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net wrote:

 This is a private thing betwixt Peter and me, but remember when an  editor
 once turned some of my copy inside out? 
 
 
 [Original Message] 
 From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: 1/12/2011 11:03:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors
 
 That's funny, Break Parts is how my spellchecker corrects Brice Paris!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:
 
 
 No problem, Jerry. Spelling and the correct usage of English words are
 apparently outdated subjects, as witnessed by most of the internet. I
 recently went to look for some car parts and found what I was looking for
 under Break Parts.
 
 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:03:47 -0800
 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors
 
 I sent in a rather lengthy post about the importance of provenance and
 spelled 
 it incorrectly. Thanks for all the gentle but not public corrections.
 In spite 
 of my poor spelling, I hope my point was clear. We have a great hobby.
 Jerry 
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Re: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors

[Peter Fraser]

That's funny, Break Parts is how my spellchecker corrects Brice Paris!

Sent from my iPhone

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pjfra...@mac.com

On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 
 No problem, Jerry. Spelling and the correct usage of English words are 
 apparently outdated subjects, as witnessed by most of the internet. I 
 recently went to look for some car parts and found what I was looking for 
 under Break Parts.
 
 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:03:47 -0800
 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors
 
 I sent in a rather lengthy post about the importance of provenance and 
 spelled 
 it incorrectly. Thanks for all the gentle but not public corrections. In 
 spite 
 of my poor spelling, I hope my point was clear. We have a great hobby. Jerry 
 Blais
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors

[Peter Fraser]

Only if Brice says I should. 

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:

 There is a website named autocorrect.  You should go see the damage auto 
 correct can do.  After you visit the site you will be shutting auto correct 
 off.
 
 On 01/12/2011 10:02 PM, Peter Fraser wrote:
 That's funny, Break Parts is how my spellchecker corrects Brice Paris!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com  wrote:
 
 
 No problem, Jerry. Spelling and the correct usage of English words are 
 apparently outdated subjects, as witnessed by most of the internet. I 
 recently went to look for some car parts and found what I was looking for 
 under Break Parts.
 
 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:03:47 -0800
 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Spelling Errors
 
 I sent in a rather lengthy post about the importance of provenance and 
 spelled
 it incorrectly. Thanks for all the gentle but not public corrections. In 
 spite
 of my poor spelling, I hope my point was clear. We have a great hobby. 
 Jerry
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 1 III

[Peter Fraser]

Hi -

Thanks for the response. 

No, I have no intention of doing anything permanent or irreversible. I 
basically want to add cylinder storage. My III lost its shelf before I got it, 
and looks awful. 

From the sounds of things, horn size will be the main issue...

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:36 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Did you get your answer about the III mechanism fitting in a 1-A cabinet?  It 
 will install just fine and the crank lines up but it's not correct.  The 1-A 
 mechanism is a 24 minute player and mechanically quite different from the 
 
 1-B and III mechanism, which are the same.  I personally would not take a III 
 mechanism out of its cabinet to install in a 1-A cabinet.  If both pieces are 
 lose, it might be OK for the short term.  A marriage of parts seems to muddy 
 the 
 water.  When it's sold, you are basically selling parts.  
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards

[Peter Fraser]

See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched 
numbers...

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On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:

 Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same 
 mechanism as the III.  Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism 
 will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet.  This sort of mixing  matching 
 permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper 
 restoration of the original machines.  I'd advise against it.
 
 George P.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm
 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
 
 
 
 
 Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of 
 an 
 
 Amberola I and a III?  Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a 
 
 messed up III I have...
 
 
 
 Thanks...
 
 
 
 -- Peter
 
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[Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards

[Peter Fraser]

Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an 
Amberola I and a III?  Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a 
messed up III I have...

Thanks...

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor R

[Peter Fraser]

Is there any description of the technique online, or can you please give us a 
brief outline?

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On Jan 7, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do.
 Mike
 
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Steve Farmer can replicate that finish.
 
 From: kb...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600
 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R
 
 Jeff,
 
 
 
 The orange based stripper works well.  Just try it in a small area under
 the
 turntable first.  It's good to hear that there are still some good finds
 out
 there.
 
 
 
 The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a previous owner
 that took off most of the nice oxidized finish.  The finish behind the
 swing
 arm and on the reproducer is fine.  My question for everyone on Phono-L
 is:
 Is it hard to redo the oxidized finish on a part like this?  Or, is there
 someone that can be recommended to do this type of work?
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ken B.
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor R

[Peter Fraser]

Thanks!

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On Jan 7, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter,
 On mine years ago I started with a copper base. It hopefully is still there
 if not plate it. Use gun bluing and I think I used antique brown. Turn it
 brown. Use a dremel tool and its buffing wheel and buff off the gun bluing
 for effect. I would practice on scrap or under the turntable. You can do it
 with out art skills.
 Mike
 
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Is there any description of the technique online, or can you please give us
 a brief outline?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Jan 7, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do.
 Mike
 
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Steve Farmer can replicate that finish.
 
 From: kb...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600
 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R
 
 Jeff,
 
 
 
 The orange based stripper works well.  Just try it in a small area
 under
 the
 turntable first.  It's good to hear that there are still some good
 finds
 out
 there.
 
 
 
 The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a previous
 owner
 that took off most of the nice oxidized finish.  The finish behind the
 swing
 arm and on the reproducer is fine.  My question for everyone on Phono-L
 is:
 Is it hard to redo the oxidized finish on a part like this?  Or, is
 there
 someone that can be recommended to do this type of work?
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ken B.
 
 Wisconsin
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor R

[Peter Fraser]

Idiot.

I've spent much of the past 10 years finding and installing oxidized bronze 
hardware into our 1913 house, and am almost done. Part of the problem is that 
nobody knows the correct term, so it's hard to search for it on eBay etc. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:23 PM, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote:

 A friend once proudly showed me ALL the hinges, doorknobs, faceplates, 
 latches, etc etc from all the doors, windows, and even lights, switches, and 
 outlet plates of his 1900 house and how he cleverly buffed off every bit 
 of the tarnish, right down to bare steel or brass.  The steel parts were 
 already starting to rust, before reinstallation.  I think he ended up 
 painting it all black.
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 6:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R
 
 
 It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do.
 Mike
 
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Steve Farmer can replicate that finish.
 
  From: kb...@charter.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600
  Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R
 
  Jeff,
 
 
 
  The orange based stripper works well.  Just try it in a small area under
 the
  turntable first.  It's good to hear that there are still some good finds
 out
  there.
 
 
 
  The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a previous owner
  that took off most of the nice oxidized finish.  The finish behind the
 swing
  arm and on the reproducer is fine.  My question for everyone on Phono-L
 is:
  Is it hard to redo the oxidized finish on a part like this?  Or, is there
  someone that can be recommended to do this type of work?
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Ken B.
 
  Wisconsin
 
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[Phono-L] Crankology

[Peter Fraser]

He's nowhere near as cranky as he could be. We're all lucky he stays as 
even-keeled as he does, with some of the stuff that pops up on here. He's a 
good man and very fair-minded. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
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On Nov 22, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we keep this on a even keel. I am oldcranky. Steven is right. In fact
 oldcranky.com
 Loran on the other hand is old and cranky. I know him well, I know this to
 be true.
 Mike
 Oldcranky.
 
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Loran was not sounding old and cranky; he was only expressing a concern
 based on what he saw on line and what harm it could do in causing viruses.
 So it appears you are only apologizing for the link not working correctly
 but not apologizing in regards to your attitude towards Loran which was
 uncalled for.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:35 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out
 this phonograph service from 1910...
 
 
 
 i Loran,
 
 orry about the link not working correctly. I am aware that you are the list
 wner... you were just sounding Old and Cranky.
 
 y the way, I put a link to your website on our Facebook page. This page is
 not
 spamming tool nor a competing replacement for your list, it is meant to be
 a
 esource for anyone who shares an interest in our hobby. I think it's
 important
 o promote an interest in the history of recorded music to the newer
 generations
 hat think it all started with an iPod. I chose Facebook particularly, since
 here are over half a billion Facebook subscribers, which presents an
 enormous
 otential to generate new interest in phonographs, music, etc. Without
 enerating new interest, our hobby becomes an elitist, good ole boy network
 that
 ill go away when we do... You can only sell your stuff so many times among
 the
 ame group of existing collectors and there definitely comes a time for all
 of
 s to part with the stuff we are temporarily borrowing while we are passing
 hrough this life.
 
 urt
 
 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:17:57 -0800
 From: lo...@oldcrank.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out
 this
 honograph service from 1910...
 
 1. Please check out the link as it came through in the archive:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg10459.html
 
 2. I'm well aware of the awesomeness of the DELETE key. I'm willing to
 wager that my delete key is bigger than yours, as I am the list owner.
 
 Thanks,
 Loran
 
 On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 wrote:
 
 It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be
 nterested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique
 honograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique
 Music 
 honograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it
 you
 ave a DELETE key on your computer.
 
 From: lo...@oldcrank.com
 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out
 his phonograph service from 1910...
 
 Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here.
 
 Thanks,
 Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested

[Peter Fraser]

Heaven help any German San Franciscans.

Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great 
skintight bondage wear and the like.  Forgive me for being insensitive, of 
course, but don't forget the lube!

On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 
 Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a 
 strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack 
 Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :)
 
 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 
 
 I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. 
 Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds 
 like a domain from San Francisco...
 
 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 
 
 The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how 
 he became interested in phonographs. 
 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 +
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 
 Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was 
 worried...
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 
 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 
 
 http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html
 
 Hello John,
 
 This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. 
 
 Steve
 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 +
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 
 Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked?
 John
 --Original Message--
 From: Steven Medved
 Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 To: Phono-l
 ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM
 
 
 burdettewalt...@yahoo.com
 
 webmas...@misteropera.com
 
 http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html
 
 From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700
 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested
 
 All:
 
 I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry:
 
 
 
 Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol
 (orange boxes). 
 
 
 
 I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and
 availability.
 
 
 
 If no E-mail info, any other type would work.
 
 
 
 Again, thanks in advance
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

[Peter Fraser]

I'm actually loving this. Rant on, Johnny-Chuck!

On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

 
 i told you people whaht i had to tell you ,now dont get smart,what is my 
 bunesse is not yours,and be calm AND I DONT WHANT ANY OF YOUR PRODUCT.
 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:01:54 +
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 
 Jean-Charles-
 Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a 
 seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off the 
 public list.
 John Robles
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com
 Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 
 
 hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of 
 your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of 
 them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i 
 dont whant to order any of your product.
 
 From: ander...@tampabay.rr.com
 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:07:27 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 
 Folks,
 Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally 
 supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the 
 spring as long as you have the older style crane.
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a
 
 
 Steve
 
 On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
 
 WTF is that all about???
 John Robles
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com
 Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 
 
 what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it 
 complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having 
 trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not 
 miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about 
 everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is 
 that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear.
 
 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 
 
 People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of 
 the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to 
 convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any 
 thought until they had the problem.
 
 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 
 I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the 
 spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. 
 For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a 
 picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link:
 http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/
 John Robles
 
 --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these 
 work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like 
 a workable system
 to me. 
 
 Steve 
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