Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
The photos you took are wonderful and have helped many people including myself to have a much better understanding of Edison diamonds. Steve From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: lhera...@verizon.net Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 05:21:48 + Not having access to the SEM is the only downside to retirement. Ron L From: SN Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: SN Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2=17922=99f228263f21941324d810ce508e0ea4=50 From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:31:10 +Many of the points in the needle bars like the Cheney ones are sapphires and not diamonds. So far I have not seen a point mounted in a shank that was not worn or broken. 95% of the original Edison diamonds I have examined are broken, worn, or both. This is a good article, it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well. I have found that the Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe records. I ordered 5 diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they cut them too short. If there is interest I could have more made. Steve Medved From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 +Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs. He's great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts. Having said that, if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist). I drilled a very small hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It was ball shaped. And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states. George would be the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabi
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Many of the points in the needle bars like the Cheney ones are sapphires and not diamonds. So far I have not seen a point mounted in a shank that was not worn or broken. 95% of the original Edison diamonds I have examined are broken, worn, or both. This is a good article, it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well. I have found that the Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe records. I ordered 5 diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they cut them too short. If there is interest I could have more made. Steve Medved From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 + Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs. He's great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts. Having said that, if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist). I drilled a very small hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It was ball shaped. And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states. George would be the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks!
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http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2=17922=99f228263f21941324d810ce508e0ea4=50 From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:31:10 + Many of the points in the needle bars like the Cheney ones are sapphires and not diamonds. So far I have not seen a point mounted in a shank that was not worn or broken. 95% of the original Edison diamonds I have examined are broken, worn, or both. This is a good article, it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well. I have found that the Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe records. I ordered 5 diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they cut them too short. If there is interest I could have more made. Steve Medved From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 + Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs. He's great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts. Having said that, if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist). I drilled a very small hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It was ball shaped. And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states. George would be the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Not having access to the SEM is the only downside to retirement. Ron L From: SN Medved via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: SN Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2 <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/forum.talkingmachine.info?p=eyJ zIjoia2ZoQUtRZ3RQVjg2VGtvTzhaYWZCSDJIYThJIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTc xMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvZm9ydW0udGFsa2luZ21hY2hpbmUuaW5 mb1xcXC92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP2Y9MiZ0PTE3OTIyJnNpZD05OWYyMjgyNjNmMjE5NDEzMjRkODE wY2U1MDhlMGVhNCZzdGFydD01MFwiLFwiaWRcIjpcImViYzc0MmI0NjY1ODRjNjQ5ZjA5ZDIyMzQ 1NzM2NjMxXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWRzXCI6W1wiYzJlODJkMDg1Y2ZmM2RjZDIyZjRjZjliODFmOTQwMjZ iZWE2MGIwM1wiXX0ifQ> =17922=99f228263f21941324d810ce508e0ea4=50 _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:31:10 + Many of the points in the needle bars like the Cheney ones are sapphires and not diamonds. So far I have not seen a point mounted in a shank that was not worn or broken. 95% of the original Edison diamonds I have examined are broken, worn, or both. This is a good article, it shows worn and broken diamonds and explains well. I have found that the Columbia ball stylus mounted in a bar will play the Pathe records. I ordered 5 diamonds made for use in a shank, but unfortunately they cut them too short. If there is interest I could have more made. Steve Medved _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:23:34 + Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs. He's great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts. Having said that, if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist). I drilled a very small hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It was ball shaped. And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states. George would be the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one? _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 + I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph -recently.html#re.v/149/ <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoiNk N6a19MRXhUdURtZGtES0pOM2N1OElOb21RIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcIn ZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3Lmp1c3RhbnN3ZXIuY29tXFxcL2FudGlxdW VzXFxcLzVuYjkzLWdsZW5kYS1pLXF1ZXN0aW9uLXNvbm9yYS1waG9ub2dyYXBoLXJlY2VudGx5Lm h0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiNTk0Y2FkMDVkYTJmNDkxN2FiZjVmMmIwMW IwYTg5NDVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2 U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com _
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I do stock the Pathe ball tipped sapphire. Contact me off list for details. Thank you, Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 10/16/2015 10:39 PM, Antique Phonograph List wrote: Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L *From:*Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM *To:* phono-l@oldcrank.org *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one? From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 + I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoiNkN6a19MRXhUdURtZGtES0pOM2N1OElOb21RIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3Lmp1c3RhbnN3ZXIuY29tXFxcL2FudGlxdWVzXFxcLzVuYjkzLWdsZW5kYS1pLXF1ZXN0aW9uLXNvbm9yYS1waG9ub2dyYXBoLXJlY2VudGx5Lmh0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiNTk0Y2FkMDVkYTJmNDkxN2FiZjVmMmIwMWIwYTg5NDVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks! Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender.
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I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks!
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One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one? From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 + I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks!
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It looks like the brackets are flat plates with holes in them for the rods. If that is the case, can't you just make them? You would know the diameter of the rods. You probably know the size of the plates from outlines of the originals and you can probably map out the mounting holes from the wood as well. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:40 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph -recently.html#re.v/149/ <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoibE 1neVJ4a3JuQVJCSmRJLVBXWU9jNWtTY2RRIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcIn ZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3Lmp1c3RhbnN3ZXIuY29tXFxcL2FudGlxdW VzXFxcLzVuYjkzLWdsZW5kYS1pLXF1ZXN0aW9uLXNvbm9yYS1waG9ub2dyYXBoLXJlY2VudGx5Lm h0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiMGJjMGRlZjE1OWY3NDNiMDkwOGZjNGNjNm NjMWViODVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2 U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks! Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender.
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You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one? _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 + I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph -recently.html#re.v/149/ <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoiNk N6a19MRXhUdURtZGtES0pOM2N1OElOb21RIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcIn ZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3Lmp1c3RhbnN3ZXIuY29tXFxcL2FudGlxdW VzXFxcLzVuYjkzLWdsZW5kYS1pLXF1ZXN0aW9uLXNvbm9yYS1waG9ub2dyYXBoLXJlY2VudGx5Lm h0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiNTk0Y2FkMDVkYTJmNDkxN2FiZjVmMmIwMW IwYTg5NDVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2 U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks! Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender.
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Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no
thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
Ric
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Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz
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One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut
and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I posted this query last
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of
the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm
talking about:
http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/
Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at
the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks again,
Ric
uws...@gmail.com
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I am in the process of
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed,
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously,
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in
excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I
can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you
possibly offer me some instructions?
Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.
Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me
know. Thanks!
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one?From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks! ATT1 Description: Binary data
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
They are pretty hard to find.Try George Vollema(Victrola Doctor). These are
pricey. They can cost as much a $50.00 or more. Go with somebody reliable. You
might get one cheap and the stylus is chipped or damaged.Harvey Kravitz
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To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no
thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
Ric
Original message
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz
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To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
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most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for
lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs.
Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you
need, and where would you get one?
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 I posted this query last
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of
the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm
talking about:
http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/
Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at
the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks again,
Ric
uws...@gmail.com
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv018923 I am in the process of
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed,
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously,
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in
excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I
can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you
possibly offer me some instructions?
Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a
conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus.Harvey Kravitz
From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
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One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two
reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut
and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of
stylus would you need, and where would you get one?
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 +
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I posted this query last
month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph.
Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing
system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little
metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of
the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll
down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm
talking about:
http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/
Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at
the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks again,
Ric
uws...@gmail.com
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9807075353 I am in the process of
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed,
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously,
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in
excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I
can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you
possibly offer me some instructions?
Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.
Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me
know. Thanks!
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Get in touch with George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs. He's great to do business with and has a huge stock of parts. Having said that, if George can't help, I once made a Pathe stylus out of a bit of Dental technology, a "Pindex Pin" (ask your local dentist). I drilled a very small hole in the end and glued in a sapphire cylinder stylus such as used on Columbia machines. It was ball shaped. And I'll bet Steve Medved could make something with one of the new Edison DD styli he is having made here in the states. George would be the easier way to go first though. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:39 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders Thanks, Ron. Any idea where I might find one? I'd like to pick up a Pathe ball stylus, too -- I've never has any luck finding either on ebay. Ric Original message From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: 10/16/2015 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders You would need an Edison style diamond which Sonora probably sold. Ron L From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:55 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one? _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 + I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph -recently.html#re.v/149/ <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.justanswer.com?p=eyJzIjoiNk N6a19MRXhUdURtZGtES0pOM2N1OElOb21RIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcIn ZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3Lmp1c3RhbnN3ZXIuY29tXFxcL2FudGlxdW VzXFxcLzVuYjkzLWdsZW5kYS1pLXF1ZXN0aW9uLXNvbm9yYS1waG9ub2dyYXBoLXJlY2VudGx5Lm h0bWwjcmUudlxcXC8xNDlcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiNTk0Y2FkMDVkYTJmNDkxN2FiZjVmMmIwMW IwYTg5NDVcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI2YjQ4YzUzMjBkNGE3OWJiYmVjYTFlZWJhZDk0ODY4Y2 U0ZmIyZGY2XCJdfSJ9> Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks again, Ric uws...@gmail.com _ From: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me know. Thanks! Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Ric, I know exactly what you need. These are tough to find because the
envelopes are brittle, and the hardware usually gets lost or broken. Maybe
George Vollema(Victrola Doctor) can help. He has all kinds of parts.Harvey
Kravitz
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I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a
Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually
called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need,
EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that
secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system.
If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look closely,
you can sort of see what I'm talking about:
http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/
Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or at
the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks again,
Ric
uws...@gmail.com
From: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 +
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{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9770236001 I am in the process of
restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe cabinet; I found it
years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to get around to it.
Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had been removed,
presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically do. Miraculously,
some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model -- with a trashed
cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of record folders in
excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has passed that I can no
longer remember how to install the folders in the cabinet. I found the
attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and it seems like the rods
(there are four of them, each half the width of the wooden bracket with the
vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the bottom of the bracket, but I
can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with this before? If so, could you
possibly offer me some instructions?
Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it
as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different,
smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of
the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer,
and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents.
Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let me
know. Thanks!
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
I have one around here somewhere, but would not recommend its use. If you have the room, I'd strongly recommend getting an Edison Diamond Disc phonograph. The sound will be much better and your records will be safe from damage. They turn up quite regularly around here at giveaway prices - watch Craigslist and you will find one quickly I'm sure. - only the Edison has a gear drive to move the heavy reproducer/tonearm across the record, rather than relying on friction with the side wall of the record groove to do so - the Edison system is tuned for performance and really does sound great Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com > On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: > > Thanks. Any idea where I might find one? I've tried searching on ebay but no > thing's coming up...maybe I'm using the wrong search terms? > > Ric > > > > Original message > From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Date: 10/16/2015 10:04 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders > > Yes, They can play Diamond disks.You need a special point. The point is a > conical one. The Pathe has a ball stylus. > Harvey Kravitz > > From: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders > > One more question: Like most wooden-arm Sonoras, this one comes with two > reproducers, one for lateral-cut records, the other, it says, for > vertical-cut and diamond discs. Could these really play diamond discs? If > so, what kind of stylus would you need, and where would you get one? > > > > From: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:23 + > > I posted this query last month about restoring the record filing system in a > Sonora Elite phonograph. Since then, I have learned that Sonora actually > called it an "envelope filing system," and that I have everything I need, > EXCEPT for some sort of little metal brackets (a pair, to be precise) that > secure the rods to the outside of the wooden framework for the filing system. > If you click on this link, scroll down to the third picture and look > closely, you can sort of see what I'm talking about: > > http://www.justanswer.com/antiques/5nb93-glenda-i-question-sonora-phonograph-recently.html#re.v/149/ > > Does anyone happen to have a pair of these they'd be willing to sell me, or > at the very least a clearer photo of them? I'd appreciate any help. > > Thanks again, > > Ric > uws...@gmail.com > > > > From: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:02:54 + > > I am in the process of restoring a nice Sonora phonograph in a mahogany bombe > cabinet; I found it years ago at an estate sale, and it's taken me a while to > get around to it. Like many Sonoras, the paper record folders down below had > been removed, presumably because they had disintegrated, as they typically > do. Miraculously, some years later I found another Sonora -- the same model > -- with a trashed cabinet (no grille, broken legs, etc.) but a full set of > record folders in excellent condition. Unfortunately, so much time has > passed that I can no longer remember how to install the folders in the > cabinet. I found the attached photo online of the identical phonograph, and > it seems like the rods (there are four of them, each half the width of the > wooden bracket with the vertical slats) might slide into some holes in the > bottom of the bracket, but I can't tell for sure. Has anybody dealt with > this before? If so, could you possibly offer me some instructions? > > Also, I'm not sure which model this is; it came with a booklet identifying it > as an Elite, but all the photos online of Sonora Elites show a different, > smaller model. (The one with what looks like a capital "H" in the center of > the grille.) I have checked the paper label on the underside of the drawer, > and it doesn't say -- it's just a list of patents. > > Finally, if by some chance anyone out there has a parts machine, please let > me know. Thanks! > > > > > >
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora bombe and record folders
Not to mention that many Edison DD machines are still complete with their original collection of records, which accurately reflect the Middle-Class musical tastes of 100 years ago ... - Original Message - If you have the room, I'd strongly recommend getting an Edison Diamond Disc phonograph. The sound will be much better and your records will be safe from damage. They turn up quite regularly around here at giveaway prices - watch Craigslist and you will find one quickly I'm sure. - only the Edison has a gear drive to move the heavy reproducer/tonearm across the record, rather than relying on friction with the side wall of the record groove to do so - the Edison system is tuned for performance and really does sound great ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
