Re: Java Interoperability - Why bother with Clojure?

Interesting development you have there, connecting the JVM to PicoLisp proper. Which makes me wonder about Ersatz PicoLisp though. How would it stand against other JVM alternatives? I know that Ersatz is not as fast as native PicoLisp. But for instance Groovy, is really slow on the JVM. Maybe

Re: Java Interoperability - Why bother with Clojure?

On 02/02/15 15:50, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Jakob, Which makes me wonder about Ersatz PicoLisp though. How would it stand against other JVM alternatives? I know that Ersatz is not as fast as native PicoLisp. But for instance Groovy, is really slow on the JVM. Maybe Ersatz would be fast

Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application

It's a really good example. On January 12, 2015 8:34:08 AM CET, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi all, perhaps this is useful: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application http://picolisp.com/wiki/?minDbGui ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: modules?

Even if that were so, couldn't we fix this with a convention in the module loader? That is, the loader concatenates all files into one upon loading. Is this crazy talk? On February 10, 2015 9:47:54 AM CET, andr...@itship.ch wrote: Hi Lawrence Nice you're taking part here! You're basically

Re: modules?

Could we cook up a convention? On February 9, 2015 6:12:17 PM CET, Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lawrence, if you're talking about something like Ruby's gems, then no. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Lawrence Bottorff borg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what you offer in lieu

Re: Sorry, no repo (Was: Google Code closing)

Fair enough! Whatever works best for you is for the best. On March 17, 2015 7:34:09 AM CET, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jon, hi all! I'm very sorry, but from now on I won't support any repo for PicoLisp. As ever, the most up-to-date version can be downloaded from

Re: Announce: 7fach BlitzMenu

Congratulations! On March 12, 2015 7:29:02 PM CET, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hello list, let me announce 7fach BlitzMenu, our first attempt for a public application since 9 years :) It is for gastronomers, restaurants or canteens, to maintain their dishes and beverages in

Re: Google Code closing

Github.com is really nice. On March 13, 2015 9:02:10 AM CET, Jon Kleiser jon.klei...@fsat.no wrote: Hi, It looks like PicoLisp will have to move from Google Code: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/google-to-close-google-code-open-source-project-hosting/ Maybe GitHub could

Re: Google Code closing

Github.com is more than a repo, it's a community of developers. On March 13, 2015 12:56:32 PM CET, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi all, Alea iacta est :) Mike Pechkin has set up a repo at bitbucket. More next week. ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Google Code closing

And github.com has like, what, 1000 times more developers. :-) On March 13, 2015 4:32:05 PM CET, Alexander Williams a...@unscramble.co.jp wrote: Everyone's comments are valid, but we need to remember: For PicoLisp's user base to grow, lowering barriers to entry should be the first priority.

Re: A PicoLisp native library tutorial

Yep. Definitely interesting. On 03/03/15 18:50, Joe Bogner wrote: Nicely done. Thanks for sharing On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Alexander Williams a...@unscramble.co.jp wrote: Hi list, Some of you

Re: Solaris 10 picolisp 64 build

You are not by any chance on a Sparc platform? On 03/03/15 20:57, Rick Hanson wrote: Sorry in advance if you’ve already covered this issue in the past. I’m on Solaris 10; I can build the 32-bit picolisp (3.1.9) with no problem. Then, I go do a (cd src64; make) (which is GNU make btw);

Re: Solaris 10 picolisp 64 build

to be thrown into burning inferno where they belong, and I'll go live in a box down my the river. :) Thanks! On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Jakob Eriksson ja...@aurorasystems.eu wrote: You are not by any chance on a Sparc platform? On 03/03/15 20:57, Rick Hanson wrote: Sorry in advance

Re: MySQL native C wrapper

Good initiative - the more ways to connect, the better, IMHO. On 26/04/15 23:00, Henrik Sarvell wrote: Hi list, I'm announcing this at a very early stage, earlier than I would like to, in case someone else is also thinking about doing a MySQL wrapper, to avoid duplicate work. I'm not doing

Re: New article - Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication

Interesting. Is the server a Windows server or Linux? On 14/04/15 14:19, Mansur Mamkin wrote: Hi all! I'm happy to announce a litle article: Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication http://picolisp.com/wiki/?localwikikerberos Best regards, Mansur Mamkin -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: PilMCU is dead - Long live PilOS!

Thank you! On 19/06/15 22:16, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, I'm happy to announce PilOS - The PicoLisp Operating System! It is a modification of the infamous PilMCU, which unfortunately doesn't seem to get off the ground. So in order not to have wasted all that effort, I decided to

Re: PicoLisp now detected on GitHub

This is great! On 17/06/15 17:48, Christophe Gragnic wrote: Hi list. They even spelled it correctly ! https://github.com/github/linguist/pull/2449#issuecomment-112829159 See one of your repos or this one: https://github.com/Microalg/Microalg chri -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Test - Please ignore

It was s hard to resist and now I can't. On 01/06/15 21:52, Rick Hanson wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: This is a test mail. Please ignore. I feel like being a contrarian today. :) -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Best way to learn picolisp

It's more like Common Lisp is a derivative of PicoLisp, seriously. :-) So I'd go for pico first, it's easier to understand. > 8 juni 2016 kl. 14:08 skrev Lawrence Bottorff : > > So, what would the best way to learn picolisp be for a total beginner? It > might seem like you

Re: a floating point math library for 64 bit PicoLisp

I like it! Back when we needed float, we just used C, but your way is nicer  > 25 jan. 2016 kl. 06:12 skrev Alexander Williams : > > Hi Greg, > > This is quite impressive, particularly for a first time Lisper. Great job! > > I haven't tested it, but the code looks good.

Re: Function browser in Emacs

sweet! :) On 10/04/16 01:43, Henrik Sarvell wrote: > This is a bit off topic but my new function browser does support > Picolisp out of the box :) > > It might come in handy for all Picolispers on Emacs. > > https://bitbucket.org/hsarvell/list-functions > >

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

It's good to see the details worked out here. But the main take away for me, is that in today's stylish web landscape, it's important that sites look stylish. And the site now looks stylish. Great and thanks to all involved. best regards, Jakob On 24/03/16 16:34, Erik Gustafson wrote: > Hi

Re: Backspace across wrapped line

A shotgun approach would be to create a screen editor of sorts, with a repl in it. That is probably overkill. On 05/03/16 16:18, Alexander Burger wrote: > Hi all, > > since early versions of PicoLisp I have a problem with the behavior of > terminals. > > It concerns the REPL line editor in

Re: Backspace across wrapped line

2016 at 9:02 AM, Jakob Eriksson <ja...@aurorasystems.eu> > wrote: > >> A shotgun approach would be to create a screen editor of sorts, >> with a repl in it. That is probably overkill. >> >> >> >> On 05/03/16 16:18, Alexander Burger wrote: >>&

Re: Tractatus Pico-Blaesicus

Hey, I love this Tractatus! Very unbiased and fair. (Even acknowledging 2.4!) On 07/03/16 19:25, Alexander Burger wrote: > Dear PicoLisp List, > > let me announce a strange little piece of [code?, documentation?, > pamphlet?] which I wrote up to summarize some of the positions and >

Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

g to start on option 1. I > will put it up on Github if I get anywhere next week. Only 7 days and 1 > hour until the LGJ! > > Rob > > PS: I have reposted this, since I left the subject off the last time I > hit Send, and I did not see it on the list. Forgive any unintended &

Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

On 22/04/16 10:27, Robert Herman wrote: > > I am really looking to use miniPicoLisp as the game framework, only leaning > on SDL2.0 or CSFML as the engine underneath to deal with keyboard i/o, > event handling, sound, graphics and networking. I guess maybe it's the same > thing? I'd say I

Re: OpenGL and miniPicoLisp

That support is not going to be widely spread until a few years down the road. Even so, I expect it (Ubuntu on Windows) to be a downloadable server component rather than standard on all Windows client versions. best regards, Jakob On 23/04/16 12:57, Robert Herman wrote: > Thanks, I'll have a

Re: OpenGL and miniPicoLisp

are you guys in? > >> On 24 April 2016 at 15:04, Jakob Eriksson <ja...@aurorasystems.eu> wrote: >> IMHO it should be trivial to get SDL working with miniPicoLisp. I'd wrap >> enough of SDL to get a minimal example running and extend it from there. If >> you put i

Re: OpenGL and miniPicoLisp

IMHO it should be trivial to get SDL working with miniPicoLisp. I'd wrap enough of SDL to get a minimal example running and extend it from there. If you put it on GitHub I might help out too! :-) > 24 apr. 2016 kl. 09:50 skrev Robert Herman : > > Well, that answers a lot,

Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

Actually, I find that you can statically link most libraries on Linux and that tends to remove almost all distribution problems. best regards, Jakob On 20/04/16 07:57, Alexander Burger wrote: > Hi Rob, > >> HTML5, JS and family come into the picture when you want to distribute or >> share your

Re: Windows x64 PicoLisp preview

This is really good, thank you. On 17/08/16 14:13, Joe Bogner wrote: > I've been working on a port of PicoLisp 64 to Windows. The port is ready > for an early preview for anyone who wants to try it out > > The goal of the initiative is to allow PicoLisp development on Windows. > This may

Appimage.org

Could someone check out http://appimage.org ? It seems to gain momentum now and PicoLisp in that format would make it really easy to use. Best regards, Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: French localization

I will cheer on. Salut! > 24 jan. 2017 kl. 08:18 skrev CILz : > > Hello guys, > > I'd be happy to help on that task. If anyone else want to step up on this > let's join our forces. > > Best, > > EricC > > >> Le 24/01/2017 à 07:49, Alexander Burger a écrit : >> Dear

Re: future?

On 2017-02-21 20:18, andr...@itship.ch wrote: > > Online repositories like https://github.com/taij33n/picolisp and > https://bitbucket.org/mmamkin/picolisp are not mere personal forks, but > up to date clones of the official release at > http://software-lab.de/picoLisp.tgz > Both taij33n and

Re: Future of PicoLisp?

I would love for the public repo to be on github! I think for many, an open source project does not really exist, unless it is on Github. We should also try to resurrect somehow, the [picolisp] tag on Stack Overflow. Given that it is encouraged to put in official documentation in the form of

Re: Future of PicoLisp?

On 2017-02-20 19:46, Christopher Howard wrote: > The only tradeoffs with savannah nongnu is it sometimes takes them a few > weeks to approve your project hosting, and they require you to put > licensing information on each code file (a really good idea anyway). > No. That is like saying that

Re: Future of PicoLisp?

And I would be interested in working on a package or module system similar to "pip" for Python. I must confess that most discussions about namespaces etc on this list is way over my head... however could I be on the right track if I were to assume that using "local" in such modules would be a

Re: back to the future in bench game

This was interesting! Just saw pixielang on HN. > 17 jan. 2017 kl. 22:28 skrev Mike Pechkin : > > Author of http://pixielang.org/ in the city. > Welcome to community > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Timothy Baldridge >> wrote: >> > Check link

Re: in the spirit of RosettaCode...

Another clue could be to look at the server end: For instance one in Python https://github.com/KixPanganiban/todo-falcon/blob/master/todo.py AFAIK the whole thing is like a "hello world" for persistence on the server and a very light GUI on the client. On 2017-03-01 08:46, Alexander Burger

Re: Ubuntu does not update PicoLisp

It would be helpful if we could find out how the build process fails. > 3 sep. 2016 kl. 16:04 skrev Alexander Burger : > > Hi all, > > Ubuntu stopped to update PicoLisp in its distribution. I noticed that > the next Ubuntu release (yakkety) still has only PicoLisp 15.11

Re: PicoLisp as Femto extension language

These questions go a bit over my head, but Femto with Pico has a nice ring to it. :-) > 4 sep. 2016 kl. 19:38 skrev Thorsten Jolitz : > > > Hi List, > recently I found out about Femto, a minimal Emacs implementation in less > than 2k lines of C (including ncurses, though): >

Re: PicoLisp Blog

Good initiative > 30 aug. 2016 kl. 22:41 skrev Anas Drak : > > Basic information on PicoLisp and introductory material: > http://pico-lisp.blogspot.gr/ >

Re: FreeBSD 11

On 14/10/16 23:03, r...@tamos.net wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:12 +0200, Jakob Eriksson wrote: >> On 14/10/16 22:01, r...@tamos.net wrote: >>> But picolisp is for experienced programmers[1], a class of people who >>> have no problem building software. >>

Re: FreeBSD 11

On 14/10/16 22:01, r...@tamos.net wrote: > > But picolisp is for experienced programmers[1], a class of people who > have no problem building software. Isn't this a bit of a truism. There is nothing in the language itself making it unsuitable for an UN-experienced programmer. Because of

Re: Copy A to B, so that no change in A affects B

I like how you give both a rationale (of sorts) against, then a demonstration nevertheless of a deep copy. Very friendly! :) > 5 dec. 2016 kl. 08:43 skrev Alexander Burger : > >> On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 01:44:53AM -0500, Bruno Franco wrote: >> Is there a function that

Re: future?

> 10 mars 2017 kl. 01:17 skrev : > > Thanks for your comments and insights, Jakob. > I just want to shortly assure you that I really liked your emails and your > participation. Thanks. > Sidenote: > Before GitHub, sourceforge.net was the singular main

Re: Announce: PilBox - Building Mobile Apps in PicoLisp

Fantastic! On 2017-03-12 17:10, Alexander Burger wrote: > Hi all, > > it is now possible to build Android Apps completely in PicoLisp! > > > I have prepared an environment which lets you run normal PicoLisp (Web-) > applications on Android devices, without the need to write Java code. I'm >

Re: Announce: PilBox - Building Mobile Apps in PicoLisp

> 12 mars 2017 kl. 20:16 skrev Alexander Burger : > I see no technical reason against it. It is also Arm64. Only that I have no > experience with iOS development. And - the biggest problem perhaps - the > political issues: How to bring such a beast to the apple store?

Re: Announce: PilBox - Building Mobile Apps in PicoLisp

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13852666 On 2017-03-13 00:20, Jakob Eriksson wrote: > > It made Hacker News! > > http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg07233.html > > > On 2017-03-12 17:10, Alexander Burger wrote: >> Hi all, >> >&

Re: Unclear licensing

The middle road is something like: /* Copyright 2017 Author. License: XXX */ or /* Copyright 2017 Author. SPDX-License-Identifier: MIT */ But there is NO REQUIREMENT for such a thing. What I do when incorporating a source file which has no license or copyright information at the top: I

Re: Floating Point numbers vs Fixpoint numbers

Oh, that was quite mundane - as most bugs are when found. :) Huge props to you for finding it so very fast. On 2017-07-15 14:45, Alexander Burger wrote: > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 02:02:00PM +0200, Jakob Eriksson wrote: >> What was it? > > The diff is: > >2460a2461 &

Re: Compiling to bytecode

Still, PicoLisp source, I mean the program you write in PicoLisp, (not the C code) can become quite large depending on your application. We mitigated this, not by storing the "compiled" structures of pointers to pointers. (Although we could have - but that would have been complicated to

Re: Floating Point numbers vs Fixpoint numbers

What was it? On 2017-07-15 13:51, Alexander Burger wrote: > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:52:52PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: >> I cound not locate the exact location of the bug yet. It is a Heisenbug, >> because >> it only occurs if the garbage collector runs in the right moment. I know this

Re: Introduction

I enjoyed the writeup On 2017-05-24 21:00, Joh-Tob Schäg wrote: > While your long write-up is certainly welcome it is also unnecessary in > my humble opinion. > We gladly welcome you in the community. Just visit the IRC-channel > #picolisp on freenode.net > > > 2017-05-24

Re: picoLisp in custom Buildroot container now enhanced with vip!

Now this is great! > 8 maj 2017 kl. 04:34 skrev David Bloom : > > I humbly submit to you an enhanced version of my small picoLisp container. > This comes from a desire to include Alex's vip into the small picoLisp > container for others to use and learn from as I intend

Re: Announce: PilBox - Building Android Apps in PicoLisp

What went of Android x86? > 18 sep. 2017 kl. 18:19 skrev Alexander Burger : > > Hi Rick, > >> BTW, since I don't have an Android device, I assume that there is a way >> to VM my way to glory and fame in PilBox dev. :) > > The closest thing I can think of is using the

Re: Announce: PilBox - Building Android Apps in PicoLisp

Back when I played with it, it could also run ARM apks via emulation. On 2017-09-18 19:52, Alexander Burger wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 07:10:01PM +0200, Jakob Eriksson wrote: >> What went of Android x86? > > Would work if somebody compiles the bin/picolisp bi

Re: (rand) audit

What does that mean? > 29 aug. 2017 kl. 16:47 skrev Mike Pechkin : > > hi all, > > Buildin (rand) function (D. Knuth's book) passed all tests > by Practically Random software (v0.93). > https://sourceforge.net/projects/pracrand/ > > > While testing I've also implement

Re: GitHub sold out to Microsoft

THE selling point of github for individuals and small projects, is the social aspect. And you have to think about what you are securing yourself from. It’s not like GitHub is going to take your code and run. But if you dislike GitHub on principle or because the data mining and the surveillance

Re: GitHub sold out to Microsoft

> 5 juni 2018 kl. 14:05 skrev Nehal : > > Hello Jakob, > > I believe it's ultimately about principle -> design -> philosophy (of > course security features matter!) of any software/service. Otherwise > why even invest time on picolisp, Java (or similar others) would be > better! While I

Hacker News

PicoLisp made hacker news front page. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16980640

Re: AdventOfCode 2017

Tank feeder? > 2 jan. 2018 kl. 17:47 skrev r...@tamos.net: > >> On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:39 +0200, Mike Pechkin wrote: >> p.s. Author of PicoLisp (Alexander Burger) is free for hiring and >> CV available by request. > > Nice touch, tankfeeder. > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Function similar to Scheme 'foldl'?

Add foldl to standard library? > 9 okt. 2018 kl. 20:59 skrev r...@tamos.net: > >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:31 +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 01:21:07PM -0400, John Duncan wrote: >>> Yes, you couldn't reuse the same initial value for a data structure like >>> you would

Re: Wikipedia

On 2019-01-09 07:58, Mattias Sundblad wrote: > Hi, > >> "IA-32" is not explicitly supported. It would rather be "C" for pil32 >> and "emu" >> on pil64. But this is probably too confusing for a Wikipedia article ;) > > Yes, most likely :) > >> Other supported architectures (besides "x86-64")

Re: PicoLisp License

Alexander Burger wrote: The normal use, however, writing applications in Lisp, is surely OK. Then you can distribute the PicoLisp interpreter as you like, in binary or source form (I'm not sure, but probly it is even sufficient to provide the customer with a link where he can download the

Re: Re: Cygwin 1.7.5: Problem with dlopen and relative path

Some things you don't bring from Windows. Then you bring Unix to Windows instead. There is a market for it, or Cygwin nor Services For Unix would not exist. (Services For Unix being Microsofts strange name for their Cygwin-like offering.) On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 04:32:07PM +0200, Henrik

Re: PL vs. BSD License

On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 08:29:52AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, as this discussion popped up recently and in the past, and will surely pop up in the future: What do you think if PicoLisp were released under the BSD license instead of GPL? I would love it. I could imagine embedding

Re: picolisp in java

Totally awesome! I have for a long time wanted Picolisp on other platforms. I think the best thing about Picolisp is the language itself, not its current libraries. Thank you! // Jakob On 10/04/2010 09:40 AM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: Hi Alex, I have published my implementation of picolisp in

Re: picolisp in java

On 10/06/2010 10:04 PM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: Hi Alex, Perhaps 'fork' can be simulated by copying all runtime variables to a thread? not sure whether that's enough. The semantics is completely different, what about open files and so on? Is it necessary to go that far in terms of

Re: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 07:07:01PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, the Java version of PicoLisp, which is part of the testing release since a few weeks, is now in a state where I dare to say that the language is usable (just the plain language). Very cool! In the near future I

Re: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

On 11/05/2010 10:56 AM, Alexander Burger wrote: Too bad. Is there no up-to-date JRE available for the Mac? Should be: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2315116tstart=1 http://www.piranhamethod.com/2010/04/installing-jre-1-6-on-your-mac-os-x-leopard-10-5-8-or-later/ // Jakob

Re: Done! -- Was: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

On 11/12/2010 08:04 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: [...] Done! I do now consider Ersatz PicoLisp complete :) Totally cool! I consider the main benefit that we have a PicoLisp in Java, which we need to be hype compliant. :) // Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

On 11/17/2010 06:13 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: But more important is that this would require quite a mess of code, analog to what is there for getting the values of public fields. If you look at lines 99 through 142 of ersatz/fun.src (actual version), you see a lot of tedious type

Re: java proxy

On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 09:00:04AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Tomas, Why does your code (java Label 'addMouseListener (interface java.awt.event.MouseListener 'mouseClicked '((Ev) (setq Dir (if (= 1 Dir) 12 1))) 'mouseEntered nil

Re: PicoLisp and Arrays

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 08:31:43AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: So, again, thanks to you all for the support! I don't have to defend that design decision in the future again! :) With new users, this will come up over and over again. But now there is sort of a FAQ to point to. // Jakob --

Re: Darwin Port for 64-bit PicoLisp

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:17:10PM +0100, Jakob Eriksson wrote: It's not that bad, but it could be better documented. Here is what I could find: http://orangejuiceliberationfront.com/intel-assembler-on-mac-os-x/ And this: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/DeveloperTools

Re: autogenerated keys for pilog

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:57:06AM +0800, Edwin Eyan Moragas wrote: Hi List, what's the best way to go about autogenerated keys for Pilog? i've been digging around a bit and can't find anything related. hints and pointers would be most appreciated. thank you. Hi! I have copied your

Re: Announce: PowerPC Port for 64-bit PicoLisp

Wow! This is amazing! Great work. I have asked before, but forgot the answer. Is what we like to call 64-bit picolisp also portable to 32-bit CPUs? Or would it take a kludge of some sort? best regards, Jakob On 4/27/11 1:02 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, 64-bit PicoLisp now also

PicoLisp 68000

Alexander, do you have the sources for 68000 PicoLisp, and if you do, is it anything like current PicoLisp? The reason why I am asking is that I am somewhat involved in an Amiga clone (Natami) which has its own CPU implementation, and I was going to use miniPicoLisp on it, but then remembered

Porting minipicolisp

I ported miniPicolisp to Amiga with GCC. I had to fix one include and change to a cross compiler in the makefile. However, -falign-functions did not exist in that version of GCC. And sure enough, while it built, it would not run, dying on the assertion giveup(Unaligned Function);. Any ideas? Why

Re: Porting minipicolisp

On 6/9/11 10:50 AM, dexen deVries wrote: Any ideas? Why does alignment matter? Not sure if it'll help at all, but there has been a similar discussion in the past: http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg01909.html Thank you! Now that I looked at that discussion, I seem to

Re: 64-bit problem on Mac

I thougt PicoLisp used its' own assembler? On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:24:05AM +0200, Jon Kleiser wrote: Hi, I wanted to look at the old problem of building 64-bit PicoLisp on Mac OS X. Assemblers are far from what I usually play with, but at least I'd like to spend a few hours today on

Re: pilog question

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6571200/pilog-assertion On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 12:26:46AM -0700, Doug Snead wrote: Consider these five pilog assertions. (be do ((Question @P) @S @S) (holds @P @S)) (be holds (@A @S) (restoreSitArg @A @S @F) (2 cons (- @F))) (be On (3 s0))

Re: android picolisp using ndk/jni

On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 03:33:03PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Yeah, I always felt that Ersatz (or Java in general) is not the right thing. It's perfect for bootstrapping. That it is. // Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: The PicoLisp Ticker

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 09:58:59AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, let me share my funny experiences about the PicoLisp Ticker, and how it is handled by Mr. Google: http://picolisp.com/5000/-2-1i.html Put a link back to picolisp.com on each ticker page. There are pretty good

Re: The PicoLisp Ticker

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:45:28AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Dexen, may I suggest adding rel=nofollow to the `Next page' link (the a tag)? I see! Didn't know about that tag. Any opinions? Should we relieve the busy bot? Or should we wait to see what happens? Will Google ban the

Re: httpGate and libssl problems

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:22:29PM +0700, Henrik Sarvell wrote: Trying to compile with 32bit libc libraries installed gives me the following: ... gcc -m32 -o ../bin/ssl ssl.o -lssl -lcrypto snip I have installed every possible libssl and libssl-dev package but still no luck, what am I doing

Re: Building the full 64-bit version

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 08:25:05PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Ah, one important point: Can we be sure that OpenBSD uses the ELF linker format? If not (e.g. the old a.out format), we might have problems similar to those on Mac OS. Yes: http://www.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm I don't

Re: Building picolisp on Oneiric ?

On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:58:20PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hmm, looking at that, it occurs to me that the order of arguments to 'gcc' might be relevant: If it first processes -ldl, and _then_ x86-64.linux.base.o, it might be too late to detect that certain functions from the library

Re: error message line numbers

On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 07:13:08AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Yes. Unfortunately we couldn't solve the problem with fcntl(), even under cygwin (don't know if the situation would be better today). But I'm afraid that there will be many other problems. Especially select(), fork() and

Re: error message line numbers

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:42:22 +0700, Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry to have to say this but these people are only real programmers if they don't target the MS stack with .NET etc, the whole WAMP, XAMPP posse are just hobbyists and not a iota of energy should be spent

Is Transactional Memory Relevant to PicoLisp?

As seen here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_transactional_memory I noticed that Common Lisp and other Lisps have support for transactional memory. I read this and became curious:

Re: Is Transactional Memory Relevant to PicoLisp?

On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 03:57:49PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 03:04:21PM +0200, Jakob Eriksson wrote: ATM I cannot see how this could be useful. PicoLisp has no threads, and If you defined threads less strict, such that processes could be threads, could

Re: Namespace support

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 02:51:32PM +0700, Henrik Sarvell wrote: Having to write the full name all the time could easily become comical, as in my above Clojure example. This is also one of the reasons I have leaned towards +1 Imagine all the rants which could be made about code full of both

Re: PicoLisp and its (lack of) libraries

On January 13, 2012 at 12:45 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: As Henrik also wrote, nobody wants to reinvent the wheel. Very true. The intention of PicoLisp is to _avoid_ writing extensive libraries, and rather use existing libs implemented in other languages. For that,

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On January 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: As I see it, the problem of acceptance lies on a deeper level:     - Non-Lisp programmers don't like PicoLisp, _because_ it is Lisp.       Too many parentheses, and similar nonsense. Too different for       them.    

Re: PicoLisp is DEAD (Was: PicoLisp and its (lack of) libraries)

On January 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM Jon Kleiser jon.klei...@usit.uio.no wrote:   I like having the possibility to make use of Java solutions (e.g. the   Swing GUI) from Ersatz PicoLisp, but please don't tell anyone that it   allows you to integrate with any legacy system before we have done any  

Proposal - Stack Overflow

  Dear PicoLisp interested subscribers!    Sometimes people ask questions here on the mailing list about PicoLisp programming.   Given recent discussions, I have a suggestion:   Let us all get StackOverflow accounts. (I have one.) Then, we post to this list look at this StackOverflow link - I

Core Language

On January 26, 2012 at 1:34 AM Alex Gilding alex.gild...@talktalk.net wrote: 2) Related to that, the download page describes miniPicoLisp as pure PicoLisp, supporting the full language. Is there any kind of established definition of what specifically constitutes the PicoLisp      Good

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