Re: [pmwiki-users] Another regex question...

2007-04-30 Thread Dominique Faure
On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to work with the zap forms markup so that it if there's a newline just before the markup, it will eat the unnecessary newline. I'm using something like the LiteralWhiteSpace recipe and can't seem to get rid of the extra vertical space

Re: [pmwiki-users] Enableing pmWiki for SSL

2007-04-30 Thread Dominique Faure
On 4/30/07, H. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/29/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 01:14:14AM -0700, H. Fox wrote: On 4/28/07, IchBin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the docs for using SSL in pmWiki. I found the pre version 2.2.0-beta18

[pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread kjettil
On http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Support-Engine/HomePage one can read that a ZAPWIKI is coming soon! The site tells that ZAPWIKI is /not designed to be a replacement for PmWiki/. Is it to become a lean competitor to PmWiki, or what is the purpose of this new wiki software? In the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Kathryn Andersen
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:39:29AM +0200, kjettil wrote: On http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Support-Engine/HomePage one can read that a ZAPWIKI is coming soon! The site tells that ZAPWIKI is /not designed to be a replacement for PmWiki/. Is it to become a lean competitor to PmWiki,

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, kjettil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Support-Engine/HomePage one can read that a ZAPWIKI is coming soon! The site tells that ZAPWIKI is /not designed to be a replacement for PmWiki/. Is it to become a lean competitor to PmWiki, or what is the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Ben Wilson
On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Actually Kathryn, that is not completely fair. : ). First, there were several reasons--the biggest is suggested in the link I mentioned above at zapsite. Second, I have actually had as much or more positive feedback on the name change

Re: [pmwiki-users] Enableing pmWiki for SSL

2007-04-30 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:02:06AM +0200, Dominique Faure wrote: On 4/30/07, H. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I switched the contitional to this: if (!$_SERVER[HTTPS] == 'on' || @$_SERVER['SERVER_PORT'] != '443') { You hurt my boolean algebra here: not(a or b) = not(a) AND not(b) so I

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Hans
Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote: On 4/30/07, Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that Dan renamed ZAP to Acme simply because he wanted to appear first in all the lists in the Cookbook, rather than letting ZAP stand on its own merits. You are not the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Actually Kathryn, that is not completely fair. : ). First, there were several reasons--the biggest is suggested in the link I mentioned above at zapsite. Second, I have actually had

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote: I like to dissuade any contributing author on pmwiki.org to use more than one Profile name, purely for the sake of avoiding confusion. I've noticed programmers tend to take themselves a bit too seriously

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Neil Herber (nospam)
On 2007-04-30 The Editor is rumoured to have said: Thanks for the input Ben... I've enjoyed learning about the ethics of open source communities almost as much as the coding. A curious but interesting environment. Hi Dan A couple of questions that have come up a few times still have not

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I have seen in questions posed here about ZAP and Acme, they are confusing people more than clarifying the reasons they both exist. It strikes me as curious that the ones asking the questions and participating in the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Neil Herber (nospam)
The Editor wrote: On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I have seen in questions posed here about ZAP and Acme, they are confusing people more than clarifying the reasons they both exist. It strikes me as curious that the ones asking the questions and

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Petko Yotov
On Monday 30 April 2007 17:12, Neil Herber (nospam) wrote: A couple of questions that have come up a few times still have not been answered to my knowledge. Could you please clarify? 1) Is there any difference between ZAP and Acme? 2) If no, then could you use just one of the names? 3) Is

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it from this response that you are not willing to answer my questions. Sorry Neil. Thought I had in other posts... 1) ZAP is the Script. Acme is the recipe page, and possibly the label for several of my recipes, such as

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread pmwiki
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:12:07 -0400 Neil Herber (nospam) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of questions that have come up a few times still have not been answered to my knowledge. Could you please clarify? 1) Is there any difference between ZAP and Acme? 2) If no, then could you use just one

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread David Spitzley
The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/30/2007 11:20 AM On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I have seen in questions posed here about ZAP and Acme, they are confusing people more than clarifying the reasons they both exist. It strikes me as curious that the ones

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread marc
The Editor said... On 4/30/07, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just kept coming up against obstacles and complexities in PmWiki in regards to various cutting edge ZAP functionalities. ZAP works in PmWiki, and PmWiki is a great

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Dominique Faure
On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/30/07, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote: I like to dissuade any contributing author on pmwiki.org to use more than one Profile name, purely for the sake of avoiding confusion. I've noticed

Re: [pmwiki-users] Enableing pmWiki for SSL

2007-04-30 Thread IchBin
Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:02:06AM +0200, Dominique Faure wrote: On 4/30/07, H. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I switched the contitional to this: if (!$_SERVER[HTTPS] == 'on' || @$_SERVER['SERVER_PORT'] != '443') { You hurt my boolean algebra here: not(a or b) =

[pmwiki-users] ZAP Forum question

2007-04-30 Thread isherr
Hi Everyone. I have a question concerning the ZAP Forum script that Caveman developed on his ZAP site. I think it's really great and does everything I need it to do, the problem is that I can't figure out one important detail. I am running pmwiki 2.2.0-beta44, with the april 17 version of zap

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Ben Stallings
For the record, since this seems to be gang-up-on-Dan day, I'd just like to say that I, for one, do not find the difference between Acme and ZAP one bit more confusing than the difference between Apple and Macintosh, or between my ISP and the Internet access it provides, or between PmWiki and

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Editor said... On 4/30/07, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just kept coming up against obstacles and complexities in PmWiki in regards to various cutting edge ZAP functionalities. ZAP

Re: [pmwiki-users] [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social

2007-04-30 Thread Tegan Dowling
On 4/30/07, J. Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pmwiki friends! We need a pmwiki-social list. That's a start to value our members and our community more. snip Hear me calling. /jm I hear you. What should we do? My preference would be for something that has read-access restricted to

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP Forum question

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone. I have a question concerning the ZAP Forum script that Caveman developed on his ZAP site. I think it's really great and does everything I need it to do, the problem is that I can't figure out one important detail. I am

Re: [pmwiki-users] RSS feeds: description tag as content, and auto-discovery

2007-04-30 Thread the Other michael
Anybody have anything on auto-discovery of RSS feeds, and why or why not the below isn't working? The feed reads from a reader, but neither BlogLines, nor a RSS-module at Tribe.net can find it automatically. Granted, that's something to do with their discovery algorithm, but what about this

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Hans
Monday, April 30, 2007, 5:57:55 PM, Ben wrote: We deal with brand names every day, folks. Acme appears to be a brand name (like Apple), while ZAP is clearly a product (like Macintosh). Is that clear enough? I think it might actually be more confusing if the recipe itself were called Acme,

Re: [pmwiki-users] RSS feeds: description tag as content, and auto-discovery

2007-04-30 Thread Roman
Change link type to application/rss+xml. Roman On 4/30/07, the Other michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody have anything on auto-discovery of RSS feeds, and why or why not the below isn't working? The feed reads from a reader, but neither BlogLines, nor a RSS-module at Tribe.net can find

Re: [pmwiki-users] pmwiki upload 'world write' always set

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Carew
Thanks Patrick and everyone. One of the probable causes of the problems that we are having, is that we are in the process of moving our environment from one hosting platform to a new hosting provider. As part of this, the installation was simply tar'ed up and copied as opposed to a new/fresh

Re: [pmwiki-users] count pages (guess in zap)

2007-04-30 Thread noskule
Patrick R. Michaud schrieb: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 07:43:23PM +0200, noskule wrote: hi list/dan I'm searching a way to count pages like count {*Group}.{*$Name}-Comment-*? Is there a way to do it. I did see a quiet similar way , guess in zap ({count {*Group}}) . This counts all

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:54:31AM -0400, The Editor wrote: Also, I am not too concerned about its success. I'm not even sure if I'll end up using it on my site (I'm leaning toward PmWiki). I just kept coming up against obstacles and complexities in PmWiki in regards to various cutting edge

Re: [pmwiki-users] count pages (guess in zap)

2007-04-30 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 07:59:13PM +0200, noskule wrote: Patrick R. Michaud schrieb: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 07:43:23PM +0200, noskule wrote: I'm searching a way to count pages like count {*Group}.{*$Name}-Comment-*? Is there a way to do it. I did see a quiet similar way , guess in zap

Re: [pmwiki-users] count pages (guess in zap)

2007-04-30 Thread noskule
noskule schrieb: Patrick R. Michaud schrieb: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 07:43:23PM +0200, noskule wrote: hi list/dan I'm searching a way to count pages like count {*Group}.{*$Name}-Comment-*? Is there a way to do it. I did see a quiet similar way , guess in zap ({count

[pmwiki-users] RecpeList

2007-04-30 Thread pmwiki
Hi, I was looking at the recipe list: [[#recipelist]] (:template defaults list=recipes class=recipelist:) (:template first:) ||cellspacing=0 width=100% ||!Name||!Summary ||!Rating || (:template each:) ||[[{=$Name}]] ||{=$:Summary} (:if ! equal {=$:Version}:)({=$:Version})(:ifend:)

Re: [pmwiki-users] RSS feeds: description tag as content, and auto-discovery

2007-04-30 Thread the Other michael
Excellent! Works for Bloglines! Tribe.net still can't find anything, but that's the way it goes... -the Other michael http://www.xradiograph.com/interference http://www.xradiograph.com/wrottings On 4/30/07, Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Change link type to application/rss+xml. Roman On

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:54:31AM -0400, The Editor wrote: Also, I am not too concerned about its success. I'm not even sure if I'll end up using it on my site (I'm leaning toward PmWiki). I just kept coming up against obstacles and

Re: [pmwiki-users] Guitar Tab (was: Bridge stuff)

2007-04-30 Thread Martin Fick
--- Dominique Faure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/07, Martin Fick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone wnat to bite and make a nice guitar tab recipe? ... Somewhat already been done ;) with the help of the DomTT recipe and a bunch of CSS styling there (top of page):

Re: [pmwiki-users] count pages (guess in zap)

2007-04-30 Thread noskule
Patrick R. Michaud schrieb: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 07:59:13PM +0200, noskule wrote: Patrick R. Michaud schrieb: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 07:43:23PM +0200, noskule wrote: I'm searching a way to count pages like count {*Group}.{*$Name}-Comment-*? Is there a way to do it. I

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread the Other michael
This place is full of seriousness. Knee-deep in it. Not that I'm encouraging people to create multiple pseudonyms, or anything. That's reactionary, and, yeah -- confusing. But, seriously folks, lighten up. p.s. 'Historically, a brand was any visible mark created for identification. Today, a

[pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread Hans
I installed a brand new wiki with latest zap as a testbed for ZAP, because I am curious and like to learn more about ZAP. :-) For a start I created a page with a form to send me emails, exactly copied from zaps tutorial page: Support-Tutorials/MoreAboutForms (second example). I inserted a valid

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Neil Herber (nospam)
On 2007-04-30 Ben Stallings is rumoured to have said: We deal with brand names every day, folks. Acme appears to be a brand name (like Apple), while ZAP is clearly a product (like Macintosh). Is that clear enough? I an attempt to enlighten myself about the brand versus product, I checked

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread the Other michael
My two cents -- having the ZAP docs externally is a barrier-to-entry for editing. There have been a few things that I've wanted to clarify, but didn't because I can't see a way to add to the docs. I just decided to push this a bit farther, and attempted to manually modify the address with

[pmwiki-users] How to get captioned images in a table within a numbered list

2007-04-30 Thread Tony C.
Is there a way to get a caption on images within a simple table, or is there a way to get tables created using table directives to fit within a numbered list? For examples of my failed attempts, see the new question I just added to the bottom of http://pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/Images ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Re: [pmwiki-users] How to get captioned images in a table within a numbered list

2007-04-30 Thread Roman
Does it have to be a table? What about this: # First item ## First subitem %lframe% http://pmichaud.com/img/misc/pc.jpgPaper clips|'''Figure 1''' %lframe% http://pmichaud.com/img/misc/pc.jpgPaper clips|'''Figure 2''' [[]] ## Second subitem # Second item Roman On 4/30/07, Tony C. [EMAIL

Re: [pmwiki-users] [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree with this on several fronts. First, in some ways what is happening with Dan *is* his fault, in that some of his posts go against open-source community norms and expectations (likely unintentionally). My sincere apologies to

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday, April 30, 2007, 9:01:22 PM, Hans wrote: Does ZAP has a global to set the message for a successful sending of email? It appears that all the messages are hard-coded and can't be set by global variables. They also can't be internationalized.

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, the Other michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My two cents -- having the ZAP docs externally is a barrier-to-entry for editing. There have been a few things that I've wanted to clarify, but didn't because I can't see a way to add to the docs. I just decided to push this a bit

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday, April 30, 2007, 8:41:47 PM, Hans wrote: But I never received an email. Are there other setup steps to take? How does the script know which mailer to use? Where is this configured? And why do I get the message, spelling out test mode and

Re: [pmwiki-users] count pages (guess in zap)

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
On 4/30/07, noskule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi list/dan I'm searching a way to count pages like count {*Group}.{*$Name}-Comment-*? Is there a way to do it. I did see a quiet similar way , guess in zap ({count {*Group}}) . This counts all pages in a group but so far I tested, it allows no

Re: [pmwiki-users] Enableing pmWiki for SSL

2007-04-30 Thread H. Fox
On 4/30/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:02:06AM +0200, Dominique Faure wrote: On 4/30/07, H. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I switched the contitional to this: if (!$_SERVER[HTTPS] == 'on' || @$_SERVER['SERVER_PORT'] != '443') { You hurt

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread Hans
Monday, April 30, 2007, 10:51:35 PM, The Editor wrote: Can you explain which example form you are talking about? It's not in the source at http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Snippets/Email I may have a typo somewhere else. I took the code from zaps tutorial page:

Re: [pmwiki-users] ZAP mail problem

2007-04-30 Thread Hans
Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:01:10 PM, The Editor wrote: From the documentation page on the email command: ZAPmail, by default is set to operate in a test mode, to help you learn how it works, and make sure your forms are working as intended. To enable ZAPmail for actual sending, add this line

[pmwiki-users] New template expression markup....

2007-04-30 Thread The Editor
For some time I've been going back and forth between the merits of Fox's approach to storing comments directly onto a wiki page, and ZAP's data driven approach which separates the data from the format. The advantage of page insertions is they are fast to retrieve (no pagelist) and easy to edit

Re: [pmwiki-users] New template expression markup....

2007-04-30 Thread Kathryn Andersen
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:42:07PM -0400, The Editor wrote: (:template datapage templatepage:) One problem: (:template :) is already now used in the PmWiki core for pagelist templates. It would be advisable to use a different markup. Kathryn Andersen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen

[pmwiki-users] pagelist count

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Lewis
Is it possible to add multiple groups to the recipe at http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/PagelistCount ? I have tried but no luck. On one of my wikis I have groups for every letter of the alphabet (Citations-A, Citations-B, Citations-C, etc.). I need a way to get a total of the pages in all

Re: [pmwiki-users] pagelist count

2007-04-30 Thread Kathryn Andersen
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:23:39PM -0400, Paul Lewis wrote: Is it possible to add multiple groups to the recipe at http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/PagelistCount ? I have tried but no luck. On one of my wikis I have groups for every letter of the alphabet (Citations-A, Citations-B,

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread Aleks
ZAP was a very distinctive name and I liked it very much. I enjoyed looking on the ZAP site for new ideas. ZAP should keep its name as now it is like a brand. But if a developer wants to change it for some reason there should be no problem until the reference of the new name is clearly defined

Re: [pmwiki-users] RSS feeds: description tag as content, and auto-discovery

2007-04-30 Thread the Other michael
Thanks Roman! http://www.xradiograph.com/wrottings/index.xml That's a smart suggestion, and it continues to work for Bloglines, and Firefox's LiveBookmarks. Still not working on Tribe.net, though... I working with them to see what the issues might be. Before I drop the .htaccess suggestion into

Re: [pmwiki-users] [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social

2007-04-30 Thread J. Meijer
In many ways this has become an open letter to Pm. Read it when you have the time. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:41:40 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social [The original post was sent to pmwiki-devel,

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread H. Fox
On 4/30/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it from this response that you are not willing to answer my questions. Sorry Neil. Thought I had in other posts... 1) ZAP is the Script. Acme is the recipe page, and

Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?

2007-04-30 Thread H. Fox
On 4/30/07, Ben Stallings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also fear [Dan's] doing his reputation more harm than good by repeatedly saying the recipe is unreliable and untrustworthy and something to be cautious of, when it is not Wile E. Coyote has also been known as Hard-Headipus Ravenus and

Re: [pmwiki-users] [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social

2007-04-30 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
Jan makes many points, I just want to quickly respond to an apparent misconception in that post... On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 03:12:37AM +, J. Meijer wrote: Can we discuss the environment or the conditions we operate in? That is not really the perk of pmwiki-users, with its focus on

Re: [pmwiki-users] [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social

2007-04-30 Thread Dr Fred C
Patrick R. Michaud wrote: Jan makes many points, I just want to quickly respond to an apparent misconception in that post... On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 03:12:37AM +, J. Meijer wrote: Can we discuss the environment or the conditions we operate in? That is not really the perk of

Re: [pmwiki-users] pmwiki upload 'world write' always set

2007-04-30 Thread H. Fox
On 4/30/07, Paul Carew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Patrick and everyone. One of the probable causes of the problems that we are having, is that we are in the process of moving our environment from one hosting platform to a new hosting provider. As part of this, the installation was simply