Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Eric Ongerth
I'm glad to see (vis a vis this discussion thread) that the elephant in the room now has a bright light shining on it. As soon as I caught wind of repoze.bfg and now pyramid, I put a couple of hours into reading through the docs. To me it was apparent even at first look that the new ontology is

Naives Pyramids questions and remarks

2010-11-06 Thread miniwark
I hope this will be useful, it's just my thought about the future Pyramids. Just for info i consider myself a beginner programmer, because i know then i use things than i don't understand all the undergrounf ma Actually my mind is a bit separated in two parts : - Happy, because i see than the

Re: Naives Pyramids questions and remarks

2010-11-06 Thread Mike Orr
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:51 AM, miniwark miniw...@gmail.com wrote: - Frightened because i am near to finish a Pylons 1 project, and i already lost a lot of time during the process (choising betwinf Django/TG2/Pylons, then making Auth Have no fear, most of us are in the same position. We're

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Semcheski
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Eric Ongerth ericonge...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad to see (vis a vis this discussion thread) that the elephant in the room now has a bright light shining on it. As a Pylons user, I think one of the most important things that this discussion shows is that the core

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Jeff Tchang
As a long time user of Pylons the thing that scares me is migration. How much work is it going to take to get my Pylons 9.7/1.0 project to Pyramid. Also since I have projects currently being worked on in Pylons how much of this is going to be dead end work? I am hoping that there will be specific

Notes on Pylons 1.x code-base and the Pylons Framework

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Bangert
Some people have been concerned lately regarding the status of the Pylons framework in light of new effort being spent around additions to Pyramid. I thought it'd be useful to help assuage those fears, and explain a bit more about the Pylons code-base. Pylons 1.0 was released 6 months ago, in May

Re: Naives Pyramids questions and remarks

2010-11-06 Thread miniwark
Thanks Myke Orr and blaf for you quick reply. (and again sorry than it was posted before finished) To be clear, in fact i do not have the fear of Pylons abandonment, i kwow than Pylons will be maintened long. But the fear of how easy will it be to convert well my application to Pyramid. My

Official product name is...?

2010-11-06 Thread JohnWShipman
Pyramids? Pyramid? pyramids? pyramid? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-disc...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: Official product name is...?

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Bangert
On Nov 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, JohnWShipman wrote: Pyramids? Pyramid? pyramids? pyramid? Sorry if that was confusing, the product name is Pyramid. Maintained and developed by the Pylons Project. Like how Flask/Sphinx/etc are part of the Pocoo team. Cheers, Ben -- You received this message

Re: Official product name is...?

2010-11-06 Thread Luciano Ramalho
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM, JohnWShipman j...@nmt.edu wrote: Pyramids? Pyramid? pyramids? pyramid? Pyramid http://docs.pylonshq.com/faq/pyramid.html pyramid: http://docs.pylonshq.com/pyramid/dev/index.html Pyramid and pyramid: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyramid/1.0a1 There seems to be

Re: Official product name is...?

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Bangert
On Nov 6, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Luciano Ramalho wrote: Pyramid http://docs.pylonshq.com/faq/pyramid.html pyramid: http://docs.pylonshq.com/pyramid/dev/index.html Pyramid and pyramid: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyramid/1.0a1 There seems to be some confusion, currently. I recommend

Re: Naives Pyramids questions and remarks

2010-11-06 Thread Mike Orr
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:19 AM, miniwark miniw...@gmail.com wrote: But the fear of how easy will it be to convert well my application to Pyramid. I don't know yet. Wait till more people have made experimental apps and reported their results, and then it will be clearer. I'm working on a Pyramid

Re: Notes on Pylons 1.x code-base and the Pylons Framework

2010-11-06 Thread Ev Kontsevoy
Ben, Pyramid brings a strong java odor in the form of XML-based config. Why? Put views in views directory, models go to models and handlers to handlers. Why infect our world with XML? And even if someone needs to be verbose - use Python for it, its nicer! XML has no place in the world of dynamic

Re: Notes on Pylons 1.x code-base and the Pylons Framework

2010-11-06 Thread Eric Ongerth
Ev, Surely you read enough of the docs to see that all declarative configuration in Pyramid is optional? The option to configure everything nearly the same as Pylons currently does it is right there and it is given equal treatment. Why do you describe the current plans as killing Pylons when

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Eric Ongerth
Jeff, Pyramid allows you to mount an existing Pylons app and serve it right through without modification. Having done so, you are then free to convert the app page by page, or handler by handler or however you wish to proceed ... or leave it unchanged. Eric On Nov 6, 10:46 am, Jeff Tchang

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Graham Higgins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5 Nov 2010, at 15:05, Graham Higgins wrote: (I need to go carefully through a whole bunch of saved posts, pulling out the references to the goodies and making sure that I can express them fluently in terms that I think Pylons users will

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Roy Smith
I've been following this discussion for the last couple of days, and I'm still a bit confused. I've just started playing with pylons. I downloaded the 1.0 code and started writing a toy application just to get the feel for it. If I were to embark on a real project today, would the right game

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread Graham Higgins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7 Nov 2010, at 02:40, Graham Higgins wrote: Pylons: http://svn.repoze.org/whatsitdoing/pylons/results.txt 256145 function calls in 0.811 CPU seconds Slight correction... That was Pylons 0.9.7 Chris informs me. Pylons 1.0 was whittled down to

Re: Notes on Pylons 1.x code-base and the Pylons Framework

2010-11-06 Thread Ev Kontsevoy
Eric, I have spent half of my saturday to read every single page on http://docs.pylonshq.com/pyramid/dev and I am not seeing anything pragmatically beneficial there compared to Pylons 1.0 The only area where Pylons needed help, where it was ages behind Rails, was FormFill/Encode. It was by far

Re: Notes on Pylons 1.x code-base and the Pylons Framework

2010-11-06 Thread Chris McDonough
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 21:07 -0700, Ev Kontsevoy wrote: Eric, I have spent half of my saturday to read every single page on http://docs.pylonshq.com/pyramid/dev and I am not seeing anything pragmatically beneficial there compared to Pylons 1.0 The only area where Pylons needed help, where it

Re: Notes on Pylons 1.x code-base and the Pylons Framework

2010-11-06 Thread Ev Kontsevoy
On Nov 7, 12:22 am, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote: Can you tone it down a bit? I'm afraid your indignance is derogatory and insulting. Oops, sure. Apologies! I got carried away a bit here. Longhorns just lost to K-State, can that be my excuse? :-) -- You received this message because

Re: pyramids and pylons

2010-11-06 Thread cd34
On Nov 6, 1:46 pm, Jeff Tchang jeff.tch...@gmail.com wrote: As a long time user of Pylons the thing that scares me is migration. How much work is it going to take to get my Pylons 9.7/1.0 project to Pyramid. Also since I have projects currently being worked on in Pylons how much of this is