Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Brett Cannon wrote: I know AMK was experimenting with rest2web as a possible way to do the web site. There has also been talk about trying out another system. But I also know some people would rather put the effort into improving Pyramid. You forgot the ponies! Once again, it's a

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Anthony Baxter wrote: The other thing to watch out for is that I (or whoever) can still do local work on a bunch of different files the point of my previous post is that you *shouldn't* have to edit a bunch of different files to make a new release. /F

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Anthony Baxter
For reference, here's my effbot.org release procedure: 1) upload the distribution files one by one, as soon as they're available. all links and stuff will appear automatically 2) update the associated description text through the web, when necessary, as an HTML fragment. click save to

Re: [Python-Dev] Why spawnvp not implemented on Windows?

2006-10-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Alexey Borzenkov wrote: P.S. Although it's a bit stretching, one might also say that implementing spawn*p* on windows is not actually a new feature, and rather is a bugfix for misfeature. Why every other platform can benefit from spawn*p* and only Windows can't? This just makes os.spawn*p*

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Anthony Baxter wrote: For reference, here's my effbot.org release procedure: 1) upload the distribution files one by one, as soon as they're available. all links and stuff will appear automatically 2) update the associated description text through the web, when necessary, as an HTML

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Friday 13 October 2006 16:59, Fredrik Lundh wrote: yeah, but *you* are doing it. if the server did that, Martin and other trusted contributors could upload the files as soon as they're available, instead of first transferring them to you, and then waiting for you to find yet another

Re: [Python-Dev] PATCH submitted: Speed up + for string concatenation, now as fast as .join(x) idiom

2006-10-13 Thread Larry Hastings
I've uploaded a new patch to Sourceforge in response to feedback: * I purged all // comments and fixed all 80 characters added by my patch, as per Neil Norwitz. * I added a definition of max() for those who don't already have one, as per [EMAIL PROTECTED] It now compiles cleanly on Linux

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4.4: backport classobject.c HAVE_WEAKREFS?

2006-10-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: Of course, if everybody would always recompile all extension modules for a new Python feature release, those flags weren't necessary. a dynamic registration approach would be even better, with a single entry point used to register all methods

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4.4: backport classobject.c HAVE_WEAKREFS?

2006-10-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Nick Coghlan wrote: would collapse to static PyTypeObject NoddyType; Wouldn't that have to be a pointer to allow the Python runtime complete control of the structure size without recompiling the extension?: static PyTypeObject *NoddyType; yeah, that's a silly typo. or maybe

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: No more standard library additions

2006-10-13 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Antoine wrote: The standard library is not about easeness of installation. It is about having a consistent fixed codebase to work with. I don't want to go Perl/CPAN, where you have 3-4 alternatives to do thing A which will never interoperate with whatever you chose among the 3-4

[Python-Dev] [py3k] Re: Proposal: No more standard library additions

2006-10-13 Thread Giovanni Bajo
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Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 10/13/06, Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 October 2006 16:59, Fredrik Lundh wrote: yeah, but *you* are doing it. if the server did that, Martin and other trusted contributors could upload the files as soon as they're available, instead of first transferring them to

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Friday 13 October 2006 20:35, Bob Ippolito wrote: With most consumer connections it's a lot faster to download than to upload. Perhaps it would save you a few minutes if the contributors uploaded directly to the destination (or to some other fast server) and you could download and sign it,

Re: [Python-Dev] Why spawnvp not implemented on Windows?

2006-10-13 Thread Alexey Borzenkov
On 10/13/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any reason you cannot just use the subprocess module instead, like everyone else? Oh! Wow! I just simply didn't know of its existance (I'm pretty much new to python), and both distutils and SCons (I was looking inside them because they are

Re: [Python-Dev] Why spawnvp not implemented on Windows?

2006-10-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Alexey Borzenkov wrote: any reason you cannot just use the subprocess module instead, like everyone else? Oh! Wow! I just simply didn't know of its existance (I'm pretty much new to python), and both distutils and SCons (I was looking inside them because they are major build systems and

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Thomas Heller
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Anthony Baxter schrieb: Mostly it is easy for me, with the one huge caveat. As far as I know, the Mac build is a single command to run for Ronald, and the Doc build similarly for Fred. I don't know what Martin has to do for the Windows build. Actually, for

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 01:10PM, Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 October 2006 20:35, Bob Ippolito wrote: With most consumer connections it's a lot faster to download than to upload. Perhaps it would save you a few minutes if the contributors uploaded directly to

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 12:36PM, Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair, (thanks to Ronald) the Mac build is entirely automated by a script with the caveat that you should be a little careful about what your environment looks like (e.g. don't install fink or macports, or to

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Anthony Baxter wrote: The other thing to watch out for is that I (or whoever) can still do local work on a bunch of different files the point of my previous post is that you *shouldn't* have to edit a bunch of different files to make a new release. Indeed. I

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: I know AMK was experimenting with rest2web as a possible way to do the web site. There has also been talk about trying out another system. But I also know some people would rather put the effort into improving Pyramid. You forgot the ponies!

Re: [Python-Dev] Plea to distribute debugging lib

2006-10-13 Thread David Abrahams
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure whether you are requesting these for yourself or for somebody else. If for somebody else, that somebody else should seriously consider building Python himself, and publishing the result. I'm requesting it for the many Boost.Python (heck,

Re: [Python-Dev] Why spawnvp not implemented on Windows?

2006-10-13 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Alexey Borzenkov wrote: Oh! Wow! I just simply didn't know of its existance (I'm pretty much new to python), and both distutils and SCons (I was looking inside them because they are major build systems and surely had to execute compilers somehow), and upon seeing that each of them invented

[Python-Dev] Modulefinder

2006-10-13 Thread Thomas Heller
I have patched Lib/modulefinder.py to work with absolute and relative imports. It also is faster now, and has basic unittests in Lib/test/test_modulefinder.py. The work was done in a theller_modulefinder SVN branch. If nobody objects, I will merge this into trunk, and possibly also into

Re: [Python-Dev] PATCH submitted: Speed up + for string concatenation, now as fast as .join(x) idiom

2006-10-13 Thread Josiah Carlson
Larry Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The machine is dual-core, and was quiescent at the time. XP's scheduler is hopefully good enough to just leave the process running on one core. It's not. Go into the task manager (accessable via Ctrl+Alt+Del by default) and change the process'

Re: [Python-Dev] Cloning threading.py using proccesses

2006-10-13 Thread Chetan Pandya
I just got around to reading the messages.When I first saw this, I thought this is so that the processes that need to share and work on shared objects. That is where the locks are required. However, all shread objects are managed by the object manager and thus all such operations are in effect

Re: [Python-Dev] Plea to distribute debugging lib

2006-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
David Abrahams schrieb: I'm not sure whether you are requesting these for yourself or for somebody else. If for somebody else, that somebody else should seriously consider building Python himself, and publishing the result. I'm requesting it for the many Boost.Python (heck, all Python 'C'

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Steve Holden schrieb: The other thing to watch out for is that I (or whoever) can still do local work on a bunch of different files the point of my previous post is that you *shouldn't* have to edit a bunch of different files to make a new release. Indeed. I seem to remember suggesting a

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Josiah Carlson
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Heller schrieb: Yes. But I've switched machines since I last build an installer, and I do not have all of the needed software installed any longer, for example the Wise Installer. Ok. So we are technically incapable of producing the

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Tim Peters
[Thomas Heller] Yes. But I've switched machines since I last build an installer, and I do not have all of the needed software installed any longer, for example the Wise Installer. [Martin v. Löwis] Ok. So we are technically incapable of producing the Windows binaries of another 2.3.x

Re: [Python-Dev] Plea to distribute debugging lib

2006-10-13 Thread David Abrahams
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Abrahams schrieb: I'm not sure whether you are requesting these for yourself or for somebody else. If for somebody else, that somebody else should seriously consider building Python himself, and publishing the result. I'm requesting it for

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.3.6 for the unicode buffer overrun

2006-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Tim Peters schrieb: FYI, I still have the Wise Installer. But since my understanding is that the Unicode buffer overrun thingie is a non-issue on Windows, I've got no interest in wrestling with a 2.3.6 for Windows. In 2.3.6, there wouldn't just be that change, but also a few other changes