Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

What the whole thing boils down to is probably: Do I care if someone is blocking my driveway? Do I care if someone is blocking my neighbor's driveway? Do I care if someone is blocking my neighbor's driveway that hasn't been used by them for 25 years? In all but the first case, I don't - It's

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

fits were ploughed back into advertising. That's the nature > of the game sometimes. > > Kind regards > Richard Howe > > -Original Message- > From: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of > Rich Mellor > Sent: 07 July 2016 14:32 > To: ql-us...@q

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take

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Whoops! To infringe, verb. An infringement noun. Apologies. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List

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Still a verb. It's an action. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infringe I wish I could get out of the sun! But it's too sunny and way to hot for a Jock like me! Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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s-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Lenerz Sent: 08 July 2016 08:39 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project Hi, > > Sorry. To clarify: Those who 'simply' observe the law are not > considering the ethics behind the law

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> Am 08.07.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Norman Dunbar : > > Infringement is what you do when you break a law, it's a verb. Copyright > theft is the thing, a noun. But I'm not a lawyer, so doublespeak doesn't come > easy! Infringement a verb? Norman, please get out if the sun

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No, please don't shut up. Healthy discourse is good. I was attempting to say that comparing copyright theft to homosexuality was comparing apples and oranges. One is "inbuilt" and hard to avoid, the other is willingly done. They are completely different to each other. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent

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The USA have a "way" of these things, and always to their advantage. Much like the so called "special relationship " that exists between Britain and America. They take, we, suckers, give. I think someone tried a similar thing as Disney, in the UK and effectively got told to piss off! Might

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Norman Dunbar wrote: > Breaching someone's copy rights, is voluntary, and done pretty much > knowingly. The two are not the same thing. Apples and oranges. As > far as I am aware, nobody is dishonest, because of their genes - much as > some would hope to think! So we can already agree that

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Norman Dunbar wrote: > OK, perhaps stealing was the wrong word, copyright theft is better > as that's what it is known in court, I think. Actually the correct phrase is "infringement". I'm not an native speaker, but theft and stealing seems synonymous to me. Calling it either is classical

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PS. When it was still illegal to be gay in the UK, my uncle had to hide away with his friends and lovers. He couldn't be open about it. However, his sexuality was not his choice, it was just how he was "built". Breaching someone's copy rights, is voluntary, and done pretty much knowingly.

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Afternoon Marcel, OK, perhaps stealing was the wrong word, copyright theft is better as that's what it is known in court, I think. The law is the law, regardless, else anarchy results. But laws can be changed - 27Mhz CB radio in the UK back in the early 80s, same sex partnerships, then

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Norman Dunbar wrote: > Copyright, to get back on topic, is copyright, no matter how much > it sucks, or that people have abandoned products, you cannot just > steal (for that is what it is) Um, no. The music industry and other advocates for stricter copyright laws want you to believe that. But by

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Hi Dilwyn, Don't feed the trolls is good advice, in any situation. I have to admit to feeding the ones who come calling and telling me that Windows is reporting a nasty virus each time I connect to the Internet. Those I consider fair game, and it's game on. I kept them on the phone over 2

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On 07/07/2016 14:31, Rich Mellor wrote: On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take-down notices (or was suspected of

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Hi, Sorry. To clarify: Those who 'simply' observe the law are not considering the ethics behind the law, they are just following the rules. The point is to understand the ethics (the spirit of the law). Unfortunately, there isn't always one. What is the ethic behind VAT? What is the ethic

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You won't win arguments with people like this, so you wither ignore them and get on with your life or you deal with them in such a way they can't / won't upset you again for a long time. These "rules don't apply to me" people are generally of low moral integrity and generally untrustworthy and

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On 07/07/2016 17:31, Dilwyn Jones wrote: <> arsed walking to a smoking bay 10 yards away. The very same people who moan if your car touches a line in a parking bay promptly go and park their sacred expensive BMW across two parking bays next to you. Back in the 90's I had the misfortune to

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Thanks Wolfgang >> Those who appreciate the value of copyright do so because it is >> 'right' to morally and financially support those who give energy to >> projects that interest the community. Those who break copyright law >> are ignorant of this, their minds commonly lacking respect for

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I agree and a full list should be assembled with a coordinated effort. Still, it begs the question, can the existing site be migrated to an alternate domain if this becomes necessary. This would be the simplest solution and minimize the disruption until your list of suggestions can get up and

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> On July 7, 2016 at 7:13 PM Kurt K wrote: > > > If I may reframe the matter not as a discussion on the relative merits of > Copyright but in regard to the effect on the greater community. It is simply > wrong to discontinue a worthy project, harm and reduce the

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If I may reframe the matter not as a discussion on the relative merits of Copyright but in regard to the effect on the greater community. It is simply wrong to discontinue a worthy project, harm and reduce the viability of those supporting the QL due solely to a sad minority of individuals.

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Hi Rich, Maybe with our legal backgrounds, we both see the need to protect rights and for that reason neither of us would get involved in hosting copyrighted files. I mostly see the risks in doing that... I don't want to get drawn into a debate whether copyright is "good" or "bad" or

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As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that apparently hosted copyrighted files without the owners’ consent. It's the sort of double

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-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: > Hi, > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) > sources because he (i)

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On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that apparently hosted

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Hi Per, > > I agree with everything you say above. I presume you do not mean to > imply that any significant /future/ software must also be free. Ah, of course not, good catch! Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List

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pjwitte wrote: > I agree with everything you say above. I presume you do not mean to > imply that any significant /future/ software must also be free. I'm certain nobody is implying this, least of all Wolfgang and me. When I changed EasyPtr, which was not written by me originally but improved at

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On 07/07/2016 12:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that apparently hosted

[Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that apparently hosted copyrighted files without the owners’ consent.

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I am also a professional software engineer and do agree in most points with marcel. I try to release everything as good as possible if there is no reasonable financial interest anymore. I do however respect the copyright of each and every program. In my opinion there is no way to offer

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Hi Rich, I had a look at the negative comments, which I would say that they do not want to support the QL. They everything for nothing, which was a similar position 10 years ago with the hardware I was trying to supply. I completely support the hard work you were performing, with little or no

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Rich Mellor wrote: > I shall however, not get involved in software piracy. Really no disrespect to you or your work. But, as a creator of software and probably of the most commercially successful QL software of the last 15 years, I find this whole piracy debate in the QL scene pretty laughable.

[Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

In view of the highly negative (and offensive) comments which I have received on various forums about my approach to the preservation of QL software, I have now taken the decision to formally close my project. It is interesting to read that World of Spectrum is also going through similar