In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Kett
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Rich Mellor wrote :
However, the main problem is that people are not willing to spend money in
order to improve their systems.
QPC2 is by far the best emulator available, and has the best support
available, but alas, people
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], George
Gwilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On 26 Feb 2007, at 16:12, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
Assembling the SMSQ/E source on GWASS as well as Qmac does give some
future protection.
The user would not experience any difference, I assume. Unless
using a
processor
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:03:19 -, Jan Palenicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, but if Quanta made all this free, what reason would
I know I keep harping on about it but take another look at the spectrum,
the best emulators for that Fuse (for linux) and Spin (for windows) are
both free. Someone can download one of those, then go to the world of
spectrum website and download all the applications they need to start
On 13 Aug 2006, at 09:05, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Perhaps understandably, I don't want to go from a state where I have
sources that work to a state where I have sources that no longer work,
I think this is absolutely essential.
I spent a lot of time comparing GWASS results with Qmac results
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], George
Gwilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On 25 Feb 2007, at 17:30, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
From this and your earlier comments, am I correct in understanding
that
GWASS is a more modern Assembler than Qmac ?
George Gwilt replied :
GWASS has been changed fairly
Abandonware is computer software which is no longer being sold or
supported by its copyright holder. Alternativeely, the term is also used
for software which is still available, but on which further support and
development has been deliberately discontinued. Sometimes, it is used as
a blanket
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], George
Gwilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I'm afraid the problem is far more complicated than just the naming
of parameters. The only way GWASS or Qmac could deal with both forms
of macro would be by writing a separate parser for each. There would
of course have to be a
George Gwilt wrote :
I wonder how many QL machines can run SMSQE but do not have a 68020+?
I can only think of gold card. All the other types have one of 68020,
68040 and 68060. So how many people just have Gold cards and want to
compile SMSQE? Two, or 200 or 5,000?
Let's not
On 23 Feb 2007, at 10:53, George Gwilt wrote:
The only other way would be to find someone to volunteer to convert
the
smsq/e sources (which were originally written using QMAC) so that
they
could be compiled with another assembler. However, GWASL is the only
public domain assembler so
On 23 Feb 2007, at 18:44, Daniele Terdina wrote:
What would prevent GWASS to be augmented to 'understand' Qmac
macros? (In
general terms... I'm not familiar with either assembler having only
used
Metacomco's assembler myself).
GWASS macros, like HISOFT assemblers and others (in fact
fiddle_de_dee MACRO par1,par2
would start a Qmac macro.
Later you might have inside this macro
DC.L par1
GWASS would have
fiddle_de_dee MACRO
DC.L\1
Are you sure this is the _only_ difference? If that's the case, I could
easily write a
I agree with your comment George, however, I wonder how many people might
be interested in working on smsq/e if they could easily compile it on a
non-68020+ environment. Q-emuLator can run SMSQ/e Gold Card (it does not
support 68020+) at least and it could possibly generate sufficient
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:46:17 -, George Gwilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007, at 18:38, Rich Mellor wrote:
I agree with your comment George, however, I wonder how many people
might
be interested in working on smsq/e if they could easily compile
it on a
non-68020+ environment.
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:39:31 -, George Gwilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007, at 15:52, Rich Mellor wrote:
On 23 Feb 2007, at 18:44, Daniele Terdina wrote:
What would prevent GWASS to be augmented to 'understand' Qmac
macros? (In
general terms... I'm not familiar with
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:18:27 -, Stephen Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well,
However, it is not the fault of SMSQ/e that only commercial assemblers
can
compile it. George Gwilt has done a sterling job with GWASS and
converting smsq/e sources (and the compiler in some aspects) to
On 22 Feb 2007, at 21:48, Rich Mellor wrote:
The only other way would be to find someone to volunteer to convert
the
smsq/e sources (which were originally written using QMAC) so that they
could be compiled with another assembler. However, GWASL is the only
public domain assembler so
On 23 Feb 2007, at 08:58, Rich Mellor wrote:
However, the problem is that in order to do this, you need someone
with in
depth knowledge of QMAC and the new assembler to be used, and
someone who
can follow the original smsq/e sources to ensure that they are all
converted correctly.
A
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL hardware and stuff
From: Stephen Usher
I'm sure assembling SMSQ/e on a 2GHz Athlon 64 box would be a darn sight
faster than any QL derivative. Once you have SMSQ/e compiled and onto a
suitable bootable media you can then start copying all the other
applications
across
.
Dave
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From: Stephen Usher
I'm sure assembling SMSQ/e on a 2GHz Athlon 64 box would be a darn
I have passed this suggestion to Committee for IMMEDIATE consideration.
John G.
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In a message dated 23/02/2007 00:58:08 GMT
Phil,
QDOS Classic is actually teh Amiga QL Emulator, ported over to the
Q40/60.by Mark Swift.
The QDOS Emulator for he Amiga should of been a good idea, as Amiga
hardware is really good. An A1200 with a 68060 add on card would be a
nice machine.
Since the source code for QDOS4Amiga and
On 21 Feb 2007, at 16:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
I am looking for some well developed examples to show the features of
TurboPTR in practice.
The application itself does not have to be very complex, just a
vehicle
for demonstrating the features.
There are several examples included with
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], George
Gwilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On 21 Feb 2007, at 16:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
I am looking for some well developed examples to show the features of
TurboPTR in practice.
The application itself does not have to be very complex, just a
vehicle
for
spending money on a semi commercial assembler.
The licence for QMAC is owned by Quanta. I recall reading sometime ago a
statement that Quanta had not sold a copy in years.
So to Quanta the membership here, if my recollection and understanding of
the situation is correct, would the
The etherIDE would be a good project - the main problem would most
definitely be the lack of a TCP/IP stack and drivers.
Alas Peter Graf knows how to implement this, but cannot see eye to
eye on
the SMSQ/e licence - perhaps it is a language problem, as I do not
see
what the actual problem
Unfortunately, Quanta do not own the licence for QMAC - only a
distribution licence. They still have to pay a fixed amount for every
copy sold. There is also a hefty manual to go with it, which was
expensive to reproduce, but I have recently assisted with this, by
scanning it all and
The other issue is the DEV_ device. That is NOT limited to smsq/e
but is
available separately - I can see it on
http://www.dilwyn.uk6.net/tk/index.html (hmm who's site is that I
wonder?)
Rich
There's a picture of the said person at the bottom of the Rogues
Gallery page if you need
Thanks to people on this list I'm now in possession of all I need
to
build SMSQ, I decided to have a go while I was at work. I then
realised
that I didn't have a copy of SMSQ available to me there (I do at
home)
and therefore because the source relies on the DEV device being
available
Well,
However, it is not the fault of SMSQ/e that only commercial assemblers can
compile it. George Gwilt has done a sterling job with GWASS and
converting smsq/e sources (and the compiler in some aspects) to ensure it
can be compiled. However, this is limited to a 68020+ processor and
. Sorry.
Regards,
John Gilpin.
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spending money on a semi commercial assembler.
The licence for QMAC is owned by Quanta. I recall
Morning all,
True, many articles in QL Today which demonstrate programming techniques
etc. are scattered throughout it's 11 volumes. I believe that all of
these still exist in electronic form so maybe there is some possible
mileage in gathering all of the articles of each series together
PS. With regards to how much work it is to convert an article to pdf, for
example, see my write up in a recent QL Today. Copies available from me too.
Cheers,
Norman.
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On 20 Feb 2007, at 20:15, Rich Mellor wrote:
On another note - having mentioned that I'd be willing to try and
port
SMSQ to the Amiga I decided to download the source today and have
a look
at it. Thinking that it'd be a good idea to build it for the existing
hardware first so that I
On 20 Feb 2007, at 20:08, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
There's been several TurboPTR articles mostly by George Gwilt - I
wonder if George has copies he could send?
I'll try and find these, But they will may not be a simple guide to
operating the system.
George
On 20 Feb 2007, at 22:14, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
I may be wrong, yet I thought that GWASS was optimised for the
68020 for
the new hardware, like Q60, and yet still backwards compatible.
GWASS should certainly assemble any program suitable for GWASL. In
that sense it is certainly backward
In a message dated 19/02/2007 08:20:15 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ah - I do have an email here from Nasta about the Ultra Gold Card project:
It is a pity that these projects especially GoldFire have stalled. When
exactly did you have the email from Nasta. Is his
The email from Nasta was dated December 2006.
The etherIDE would be a good project - the main problem would most
definitely be the lack of a TCP/IP stack and drivers.
Alas Peter Graf knows how to implement this, but cannot see eye to eye on
the SMSQ/e licence - perhaps it is a language
Rich Mellor wrote:
The email from Nasta was dated December 2006.
The etherIDE would be a good project - the main problem would most
definitely be the lack of a TCP/IP stack and drivers.
Alas Peter Graf knows how to implement this, but cannot see eye to eye on
the SMSQ/e licence - perhaps
Phil,
The Amiga already has a QL Emulator, which is free, but is not SMSQ/E,
but QDOS.
Derek
Phil Kett wrote:
Rich Mellor wrote:
The email from Nasta was dated December 2006.
The etherIDE would be a good project - the main problem would most
definitely be the lack of a TCP/IP stack
Black Box Gold Card and floppies is adequate but slow.
There is QL implementation for the Amiga called QDOS4Amiga. However it gives
a narrow screen. You cannot LRESPR SMSQE because it just seems to
hang. If you can solve this problem then the Amiga world could try the latest
version of SMSQE.
In a message dated 21/02/2007 23:07:03 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The email from Nasta was dated December 2006.
The etherIDE would be a good project - the main problem would most
definitely be the lack of a TCP/IP stack and drivers.
Alas Peter Graf knows how to
On 19 Feb 2007, at 19:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
Can someone write an article for one of the magazines - Quanta or QL
Today - around how to use Turbo and TurboPTR ?
Beginning from the easy to the expert level of use.
Sounds a good idea.
Any volunteers apart from me?
George
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On 19 Feb 2007, at 19:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
Can someone write an article for one of the magazines - Quanta or QL
Hi Phil and All
I'm on the QL scene for a few months only, and for now I have only two
black-box QLs but, untill I'll get some SGC, I think there is a field
for software directed to the owners of naked QLs (and I'm ready to
spare some of my free time for QL programming). I'm working with C
-users] QL
hardware and stuff
Well I have time to do this. But I need to learn Turbo and TurboPTR.
I'm also very interesting to do this work as I need to use Turbo in few
days.
Anyone want to give me an help by email explaining me how to start and then
we will co-sign the article ?
Jimmy
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Kett
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I think we have to face the fact that the QL is a dying breed - we're
not going to get any new hardware due to costs, and new software is only
going to be developed by those already developing software. Partly
because of the cost of
Roy wood wrote:
There are a lot of books on programming the QL in Assembler, BASIC and C
(although not the modern version) and many of these are available, 2nd
hand, from QUANTA, TF Services, Rich Mellor etc. These all stop short of
the modern system but would provide a grounding in the
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Kett
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I think we have to face the fact that the QL is a dying breed - we're
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:32 AM
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On 19 Feb 2007, at 19:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
Can someone write an article for one of the magazines - Quanta or QL
Today
cut
On another note - having mentioned that I'd be willing to try and port
SMSQ to the Amiga I decided to download the source today and have a look
at it. Thinking that it'd be a good idea to build it for the existing
hardware first so that I can experiment. I then find that without yet
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Kett
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I think we have to face the fact that the QL is a dying breed - we're
not going to get any new hardware due to costs, and new software is only
going to be developed
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Well I have time to do this. But I need to learn Turbo and TurboPTR.
I'm also very interesting to do this work as I need to use
Roy Wood wrote:
There are a lot of books on programming the QL in Assembler, BASIC
and C
(although not the modern version) and many of these are available,
2nd
hand, from QUANTA, TF Services, Rich Mellor etc. These all stop
short of
the modern system but would provide a grounding in the
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roy wood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Kett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I think we have to face the fact that the QL is a dying breed - we're
not going to get any new hardware due to costs, and new software is only
going to be developed by
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20 février 2007 13:37 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] QL
hardware and stuff
Well I have time to do this. But I need to learn Turbo and TurboPTR.
I'm also very interesting to do this work as I need to use Turbo in few
days.
Anyone
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], gwicks
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On 19 Feb 2007, at 19:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
Can someone write
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I'm just start writing this article.
Jimmy.
Thanks.
I will look forward to reading the article.
Very good, certainly most because I'm not a native english ;-) Just a
quick precision my article will cover only TURBO, as I still haven't any
idea
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Yes, there are a lot of old books that cover programming the basic QL -
I have a lot of them already. The problem is that these cover only the
basic QL and the original QDOS system, most don't even cover Minerva.
I have
George and I are working on that.
There is an example on SQLUG site for writing Hello World in TPTR
There was an article in QLToday on how to program XMENU4 in CPTR
What are you looking for?
On Monday 19 February 2007 19:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], George
Gwilt
Phil Kett a écrit :
On another note - having mentioned that I'd be willing to try and port
SMSQ to the Amiga I decided to download the source today and have a look
at it. Thinking that it'd be a good idea to build it for the existing
hardware first so that I can experiment. I then find
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:50:36 -, omega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel Kilgus wrote:
Thanks, but that's actually not my point. I just wonder why somebody
who actually has the knowledge but no prior connection to the QL would
want to invest any amount of time in it. For free. Not that I
Perhaps QUANTA , Rich, Tony or anyone else for that matter could place
a DONATE button on their websites with some form of barometer
to show how much we need vs raised etc, a bit like what Blue Peter
had back in the 80's when they wanted to save ( town farm / community
centre roof / the whale /
Hi
This wasn't by any chance a MACH chip? I still use a PALASM to ABLE
conversion program
written in SBasic when developing logic for the newer ispLEVER compiler.
Malcolm
Rich Mellor wrote:
The reason why it was not done, was that the manufacturer of the
logic chip had been through a
On 19 Feb 2007, at 00:50, omega wrote:
- Expensive software (Qliberator 50UKP, EasyPtr 41.5UKP, QPTR
30UKP..etc)
I hardly dare mention this - but:
For Qlib ... Turbo is freely available
(and faster!)
For EasyPtr and QPTR. TurboPTR is freely available for
I send the Qubide source code to Dilwyn for download on his web site.
Phil Borman, Ron Dunnett gave permission for the Qubide source to be
freely available under the GPL Licence.
Derek
Marcel Kilgus wrote:
Jan Palenicek wrote:
Oh well, then we only have to find some of those and we're
Hi Malcolm,
I don't know as this was an extract from Nasta's email.
Has anyone written to Stuart?
Rich
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:48:14 -, Malcolm Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi
This wasn't by any chance a MACH chip? I still use a PALASM to ABLE
conversion program
written in SBasic
Rich Mellor wrote:
Has anyone written to Stuart?
My understanding is that he threw everything away. Nasta did once try
to get his hands on that stuff.
Marcel
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This isn't a reply to any specific email that's been sent to the list on
this subject more a general comment on my thoughts about the QL 'scene'
as it currently stands.
My interest in the QL has recently been rekindled. Some years ago I
decided that I had the money to invest in a more modern
Jan Palenicek wrote:
Oh well, then we only have to find some of those and we're all good.
That should be easy ;-)
I didn't say that there are not knowledged people Marcel. You are
one of the gurus here and I respect your work and contributions.
Thanks, but that's actually not my point. I just
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