Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
Whoops! To infringe, verb. An infringement noun. Apologies. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
Still a verb. It's an action. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infringe I wish I could get out of the sun! But it's too sunny and way to hot for a Jock like me! Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Richard Howe
Thanks Wolfgang This is off topic so this is my last email on it. > What is the ethic behind parking spaces, that were free, being made into paid ones with a meter? > More on topic, what is the ethic behind copyright being extended from 50 to 70 years after Disney asked for it? Who can pass up

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Marcel Kilgus
> Am 08.07.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Norman Dunbar : > > Infringement is what you do when you break a law, it's a verb. Copyright > theft is the thing, a noun. But I'm not a lawyer, so doublespeak doesn't come > easy! Infringement a verb? Norman, please get out if the sun

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
No, please don't shut up. Healthy discourse is good. I was attempting to say that comparing copyright theft to homosexuality was comparing apples and oranges. One is "inbuilt" and hard to avoid, the other is willingly done. They are completely different to each other. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
The USA have a "way" of these things, and always to their advantage. Much like the so called "special relationship " that exists between Britain and America. They take, we, suckers, give. I think someone tried a similar thing as Disney, in the UK and effectively got told to piss off! Might

Re: [Ql-Users] Software Preservation Project - Tasks

2016-07-08 Thread Ralf Reköndt
I fear it's lost. - Original Message - From: Great news about Qliberator may become freeware. Would Ian release the source code? ___ QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] Software Preservation Project - Tasks

2016-07-08 Thread derek
Hi Rich, Great news about Qliberator may become freeware. Would Ian release the source code?On 8 Jul 2016 12:03, Rich Mellor wrote: > > Ian Stewart is happy for the Liberation software to be made freeware, > but has said that Adrian needs to also give his consent > >

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Norman Dunbar wrote: > Breaching someone's copy rights, is voluntary, and done pretty much > knowingly. The two are not the same thing. Apples and oranges. As > far as I am aware, nobody is dishonest, because of their genes - much as > some would hope to think! So we can already agree that

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Norman Dunbar wrote: > OK, perhaps stealing was the wrong word, copyright theft is better > as that's what it is known in court, I think. Actually the correct phrase is "infringement". I'm not an native speaker, but theft and stealing seems synonymous to me. Calling it either is classical

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
PS. When it was still illegal to be gay in the UK, my uncle had to hide away with his friends and lovers. He couldn't be open about it. However, his sexuality was not his choice, it was just how he was "built". Breaching someone's copy rights, is voluntary, and done pretty much knowingly.

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
Afternoon Marcel, OK, perhaps stealing was the wrong word, copyright theft is better as that's what it is known in court, I think. The law is the law, regardless, else anarchy results. But laws can be changed - 27Mhz CB radio in the UK back in the early 80s, same sex partnerships, then

[Ql-Users] Following the Preservation Thread of RICH I re send my request of collaboration in our project too ; )

2016-07-08 Thread Simone Voltolini
Hi to all at QL USER Mailing list. We are just talking about Rich Mellor’s preservation so…I’m resending my e-mail as a request of collaboration If someone want help us. I’m Simon from Italy and I’ve started 2 years ago an Italian QL preservation program (now in English)

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Norman Dunbar wrote: > Copyright, to get back on topic, is copyright, no matter how much > it sucks, or that people have abandoned products, you cannot just > steal (for that is what it is) Um, no. The music industry and other advocates for stricter copyright laws want you to believe that. But by

Re: [Ql-Users] R: Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
I follow the Raspberry Pi Foundation, it takes me back to my ZX81, Spectrum and QL days. Everytime they do something new, there are always trolls saying "why isn't this free" or "why have you not done that?" etc. No mater how good anyone's intentions or deeds, some small brained idiot will

[Ql-Users] R: Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Simone Voltolini
I've feed it a little but...now we will make it in a special blacklist ;) Our preservation site will block spanish ip's eheh ^_^ Kora Sistemi Informatici Via Cavour 1, 46030 San Giorgio di Mantova MN Tel/Fax +39 0376 371059 P. IVA: 02048930206 -Messaggio originale- Da: Ql-Users

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Norman Dunbar
Hi Dilwyn, Don't feed the trolls is good advice, in any situation. I have to admit to feeding the ones who come calling and telling me that Windows is reporting a nasty virus each time I connect to the Internet. Those I consider fair game, and it's game on. I kept them on the phone over 2

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Geoff Wicks
On 07/07/2016 14:31, Rich Mellor wrote: On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed) sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent take-down notices (or was suspected of

Re: [Ql-Users] Software Preservation Project - Tasks

2016-07-08 Thread Rich Mellor
Ian Stewart is happy for the Liberation software to be made freeware, but has said that Adrian needs to also give his consent On Facebook, I have contacted the following, but no response - Peter Mackeonis (Metacomco) Grae Yeandle (Gilsoft - he wrote Quill for the ZX Spectrum, but not sure if

Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation Project

2016-07-08 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
Hi, Sorry. To clarify: Those who 'simply' observe the law are not considering the ethics behind the law, they are just following the rules. The point is to understand the ethics (the spirit of the law). Unfortunately, there isn't always one. What is the ethic behind VAT? What is the ethic

Re: [Ql-Users] Software Preservation Project - Tasks

2016-07-08 Thread Lee Privett
Can I add Adrian Soundy to that list of QLiberator fame (Liberation Software ), I have tried to no avail to get a response from him regarding his part of the compiler program, as far as I know he is living in New Zealand,