Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
to copy across to the PC. In mdv2_ on the QL I have the mdvtowin file I created earlier. In QemuLator, I have a (virtual) microdrive, mdv2_ set up and mapped to a folder on the underlying PC Connect the QL the PC, and power both on On the QL: exec_w mdv2_mdvtowin The mdvtowin program executes and asks for the source file, give it mdv1_index_dbf the program scans the file, once finished it then prompts for the destination, enter ser1 at this point the data is sent down the serial port and the QL no longer shows any cursor activity, as it waits for the data to be accepted from the other end, so... On QemuLator enter copy ser1 to mdv2_index_dbf the mdv on QemuLator will light as data is copied to it and the file is created. Once the transfer completes, on the QL there will again be a flashing cursor. Once the copy finishes, i.e. flashing cursor on QL, AND mdv light extinguishes on QemuLator, press ctrl-space on QemuLator. The mdvtowin executable also reports a successful transfer. The file is now accessible to QemuLator. This can be repeated as many times as required to get as many files copied as possible. I successfully transferred the Psion Chess program from the original microdrive using this method, and can run it on QemuLator now. * THE END ** I hope the above is all correct. I've checked it all, but even with the best of intentions, I tend to find that mistakes always seem to sneak in somehow. And once again, thanks to everyone who responded so promptly with help and advice. It's nice to see that there's a community based around the QL that's still going strong, even now. Cheers, John -- From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:16 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC I sent an e-mail last night but I'm not sure if it was received. Anyway, I thought I'd try to copy from my real ql to a q-emulator ql over the serial port, and I'm getting better results that I was getting using a DOS prompt. I'm getting so close now I can taste it. Wonder what a serial port tastes like? Is there enough voltage on the lines to tingle the tongue. Says he, victim of prank a few years ago when told to test PP3 9V batteries on the tongue :-() Using q-emulator's serial port I have been able to copy complete files back and forth between the emulated and real ql's (no more ctrl-z problems). I just have one last problem with executables. I am able to copy the complete file and if I do a copy mdv1_filename to scr_ on the real and emulated ql's the output on the screen appears identical; but when I try to EXEC the target file (the copy) I get bad parameter, Ah, usual loss of QL file headers on non-QL systems. Headers might not be preserved across the serial link. Might be worth trying Toolkit 2's COPY_H command to see if that manages to preserve headers. whereas the source file runs correctly. I think this must be what several of you have to alluded to with headers. I expect that following the suggestion of zipping the files would help, however, I still have to get zip executable copied across. There is a self-extracting version of the unzip executable which might help with this, available from Jonathan Hudson www.daria.co.uk/qdos/ At the top of the page, click on the link to Infozip for SMS/QDOS Save the downloaded file to somewhere where QemuLator can find it. To get it self-extracted on QemuLator just LRESPR the SFX file: LRESPR unzip541xQ.bin and follow the prompts it gives. Needs quite a lot of free memory (might be an issue if using the restricted memory unregistered version of QemuLator). Does anyone have a solution that might help with this? If there's a good explanation out there regarding these headers and how executables are different, I'd be grateful if you could point me in its direction (I'm beginning to find all this quite interesting ;). QDOS files have 64 byte file headers (not all of it used). There's a bit of info about all this on my website - in the Documentation And Information section, go to the File Formats page, there you'll find the file headers info. Basically, QDOS files come in four main types, general data files (type 0), executable(type 1), the Sinclair Relocatable Output File Format (SROFF-type 2) and Level 2 Directories (type 255 or -1 on systems supporting level 2 directories, or I think type 3 on old Thor computers). A few more file types were invented by certain programs over the years (e.g. The Painter files such as pattern files etc). The type 1 files (QL executables, put simply programs you can EXEC or EX) have a long word in the header which specifies how much dataspace (data area for a job, in bytes) a job is to have (Job is the proper term for an executable QL program) and a byte which specifies the file type. If these get
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
Thank you John. This will be a very useful document for others trying to achieve what you did, hopefully without the trial and error and frustration you experienced. I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about QemuLator. My main system is a QPC2 emulator which I use for day to day QL work, although I also have a QemuLator on this PC for when I want to run software which won't run on QPC2, or when I need to quickly test something on an original Sinclair ROM version. The Toolkit II you mentioned is a rom of extensions for the QL. It adds a lot of useful new and revised keywords to the QL basic and improves the network of a Sinclair QL. Once you've used a system with Toolkit 2, it's awkward going back to a 'bare' QL system without it. It was included in many floppy disk interface systems over the years. These days you can even install it as a back eprom image in QemuLator. If you haven't got Toolkit II on your system, you can get a copy for emulators from my website. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: aup...@dsl.pipex.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC Here is what I did; I wrote it so that hopefully even someone in my situation (i.e. pretty clueless on QL tech aspects) would be able to get results. I am not a regular QL user; but I am very fond of my QL, and occasionally fire it up to remember how things were. It was the first *real* computer I ever owned. Just as a reminder, I have a QL that I haven't used since the late eighties when I was a teenager. It is a plain QL with no fancy bits and pieces that have come along since, like floppy drives, toolkit II's (whatever that is), gold cards, etc. I also have about thirty microdrives with old files I'd created as well as some commercial games with considerable sentimental value ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
Hello 'pipex' John I'm not currently seeking to emulate your process; but never say never! Thank you for setting out everything so clearly. It is all now in my tech. archive. Good to read that, yet again, the old QL is spreading serendipity. I think I can safely say that we all join Dilwyn in praise of TKII. Happy emulatin' John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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The manual explanation is pretty clear (even mentions 'directory-type devices'), but IMO the examples are confusing. One example advises to use COPY_N to copy to SER without headers, while using COPY seems to have the same end effect. Another example uses COPY for NET and doesn't mention headers being lost (not 100% sure, but I don't think NET preserves them). Daniele Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:50:16 +0200 From: ql-us...@mail.kilgus.net To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC Daniele Terdina wrote: [The QL User Manual implies that COPY also copies the headers, as there is a COPY_N command to copy without headers, but it doesn't seem to work that way] Well, COPY does copy the header if it can, i.e. if the target device supports headers. If not, it behaves exactly like COPY_N. Headers never become part of the data stream. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I finally managed to get this to work. I will post details later. Thank you everyone for your help. Quoting Marcel Kilgus ql-us...@mail.kilgus.net: Daniele Terdina wrote: [The QL User Manual implies that COPY also copies the headers, as there is a COPY_N command to copy without headers, but it doesn't seem to work that way] Well, COPY does copy the header if it can, i.e. if the target device supports headers. If not, it behaves exactly like COPY_N. Headers never become part of the data stream. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Daniele - just wanted to thank you for an extremely polished piece of software (q-emulator). Many thanks. Daniele Terdina wrote: [The QL User Manual implies that COPY also copies the headers, as there is a COPY_N command to copy without headers, but it doesn't seem to work that way] Well, COPY does copy the header if it can, i.e. if the target device supports headers. If not, it behaves exactly like COPY_N. Headers never become part of the data stream. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Marcel wrote: That's what the z in ser1hz is for, no need to do it manually. Marcel Serial parameters are explained in Jan Jones' very useful 'Handbook', pages 74 181 and in the QL 'CONCEPTS' docs from Sinclair etc. Happy porting, John in Wales(ohr!) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:52:47 +0200, Marcel Kilgus wrote aup...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: I think what's going on is that there's a combination of characters within the file body that is being interpreted as an EOF (ctrl-z). Yes, you can't transfer binary files this way as there is no way of knowing when the file ends. You'd have to abort the COPY command manually, but IIRC copy then discards the things it has written. copy mdv1_filename to ser1h on the QL side and type com1 filename on the PC side plus manually aborting using CTRL+C when the file is completely send might do the trick, I'm not sure. Alternatively if text transfer works reliably one could encode the binary files in base64, send it over the link and decode it on the other side. I've written some SBasic procedures to do this but there'd still be some more work needed for this. Marcel I did something like this in 1986/87 but only for pure ASCII text files. After the file was copied over, the PC still needed an end of file control code to understand what happened, CTRL+Z I think, wich had to be sent manually with something like: OPEN#3,SER1... PRINT#3,CODE(you will find the code of CTRL+Z) CLOSE#3 or with more modern systems you can use BPUT for example. Arnould ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Arnould wrote: I did something like this in 1986/87 but only for pure ASCII text files. After the file was copied over, the PC still needed an end of file control code to understand what happened, CTRL+Z I think, wich had to be sent manually with something like: That's what the z in ser1hz is for, no need to do it manually. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
I sent an e-mail last night but I'm not sure if it was received. Anyway, I thought I'd try to copy from my real ql to a q-emulator ql over the serial port, and I'm getting better results that I was getting using a DOS prompt. I'm getting so close now I can taste it. Using q-emulator's serial port I have been able to copy complete files back and forth between the emulated and real ql's (no more ctrl-z problems). I just have one last problem with executables. I am able to copy the complete file and if I do a copy mdv1_filename to scr_ on the real and emulated ql's the output on the screen appears identical; but when I try to EXEC the target file (the copy) I get bad parameter, whereas the source file runs correctly. I think this must be what several of you have to alluded to with headers. I expect that following the suggestion of zipping the files would help, however, I still have to get zip executable copied across. Does anyone have a solution that might help with this? If there's a good explanation out there regarding these headers and how executables are different, I'd be grateful if you could point me in its direction (I'm beginning to find all this quite interesting ;). Arnould wrote: I did something like this in 1986/87 but only for pure ASCII text files. After the file was copied over, the PC still needed an end of file control code to understand what happened, CTRL+Z I think, wich had to be sent manually with something like: That's what the z in ser1hz is for, no need to do it manually. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
OK, I've found the answer here, http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/2602/ql.html I'll have another go tonight. Quoting aup...@dsl.pipex.com: I sent an e-mail last night but I'm not sure if it was received. Anyway, I thought I'd try to copy from my real ql to a q-emulator ql over the serial port, and I'm getting better results that I was getting using a DOS prompt. I'm getting so close now I can taste it. Using q-emulator's serial port I have been able to copy complete files back and forth between the emulated and real ql's (no more ctrl-z problems). I just have one last problem with executables. I am able to copy the complete file and if I do a copy mdv1_filename to scr_ on the real and emulated ql's the output on the screen appears identical; but when I try to EXEC the target file (the copy) I get bad parameter, whereas the source file runs correctly. I think this must be what several of you have to alluded to with headers. I expect that following the suggestion of zipping the files would help, however, I still have to get zip executable copied across. Does anyone have a solution that might help with this? If there's a good explanation out there regarding these headers and how executables are different, I'd be grateful if you could point me in its direction (I'm beginning to find all this quite interesting ;). Arnould wrote: I did something like this in 1986/87 but only for pure ASCII text files. After the file was copied over, the PC still needed an end of file control code to understand what happened, CTRL+Z I think, wich had to be sent manually with something like: That's what the z in ser1hz is for, no need to do it manually. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Thanks for that. Would it be possible for you to write up the information you've learned and I could put it on my website to help other users? Sure. Quoting Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk: I sent an e-mail last night but I'm not sure if it was received. Anyway, I thought I'd try to copy from my real ql to a q-emulator ql over the serial port, and I'm getting better results that I was getting using a DOS prompt. I'm getting so close now I can taste it. Wonder what a serial port tastes like? Is there enough voltage on the lines to tingle the tongue. Says he, victim of prank a few years ago when told to test PP3 9V batteries on the tongue :-() Using q-emulator's serial port I have been able to copy complete files back and forth between the emulated and real ql's (no more ctrl-z problems). I just have one last problem with executables. I am able to copy the complete file and if I do a copy mdv1_filename to scr_ on the real and emulated ql's the output on the screen appears identical; but when I try to EXEC the target file (the copy) I get bad parameter, Ah, usual loss of QL file headers on non-QL systems. Headers might not be preserved across the serial link. Might be worth trying Toolkit 2's COPY_H command to see if that manages to preserve headers. whereas the source file runs correctly. I think this must be what several of you have to alluded to with headers. I expect that following the suggestion of zipping the files would help, however, I still have to get zip executable copied across. There is a self-extracting version of the unzip executable which might help with this, available from Jonathan Hudson www.daria.co.uk/qdos/ At the top of the page, click on the link to Infozip for SMS/QDOS Save the downloaded file to somewhere where QemuLator can find it. To get it self-extracted on QemuLator just LRESPR the SFX file: LRESPR unzip541xQ.bin and follow the prompts it gives. Needs quite a lot of free memory (might be an issue if using the restricted memory unregistered version of QemuLator). Does anyone have a solution that might help with this? If there's a good explanation out there regarding these headers and how executables are different, I'd be grateful if you could point me in its direction (I'm beginning to find all this quite interesting ;). QDOS files have 64 byte file headers (not all of it used). There's a bit of info about all this on my website - in the Documentation And Information section, go to the File Formats page, there you'll find the file headers info. Basically, QDOS files come in four main types, general data files (type 0), executable(type 1), the Sinclair Relocatable Output File Format (SROFF-type 2) and Level 2 Directories (type 255 or -1 on systems supporting level 2 directories, or I think type 3 on old Thor computers). A few more file types were invented by certain programs over the years (e.g. The Painter files such as pattern files etc). The type 1 files (QL executables, put simply programs you can EXEC or EX) have a long word in the header which specifies how much dataspace (data area for a job, in bytes) a job is to have (Job is the proper term for an executable QL program) and a byte which specifies the file type. If these get lost on a system which doesn't understand QL file headers, tough, back to the drawing board! Actually you can restore them if you have the relevant info using an SEXEC command as I alluded to in revious email, though it's not always easy! Other stuff in file headers include the various dates info etc. When it comes to QL data files, these have only two vital parts in the header, file length and type. Even a PC can deduce the file length of a QL file, and an emulator will usually assume a type 0 data file unless it knows better, so data files survive loss of headers in these circumstances quite well, though you may lose the dates associated such as when the file was last modified or created. There are a few little utilities out there (such as my QH system) which can transfer the header information as a physically separate 64 byte file which can be used to restore the executable information, though it's a tricky thing unless you have experience of all this. Actually, if you do get success with the QL to QemuLator serial transfers, this is a subject not covered much at the moment. Would it be possible for you to write up the information you've learned and I could put it on my website to help other users? -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:07:08 +0200, Marcel Kilgus wrote Arnould wrote: I did something like this in 1986/87 but only for pure ASCII text files. After the file was copied over, the PC still needed an end of file control code to understand what happened, CTRL+Z I think, wich had to be sent manually with something like: That's what the z in ser1hz is for, no need to do it manually. Marcel Ah OK, mystery solved 20 years later... Thanks :) Arnould ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Daniele Terdina wrote: [The QL User Manual implies that COPY also copies the headers, as there is a COPY_N command to copy without headers, but it doesn't seem to work that way] Well, COPY does copy the header if it can, i.e. if the target device supports headers. If not, it behaves exactly like COPY_N. Headers never become part of the data stream. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
I have a serial cable and can get the machines talking to each other. I'm doing the following, on the QL copy_n mdv1_filename to ser1hz on the PC copy com1 filename This appears to work ok for text-based files, which I can then open up and load in Q-Emulator. However, for binary files I am having problems in that the transfer never completes - the PC reports the transfer as complete, but the QL is still sending, and I end up with only part of the file on the PC. I think what's going on is that there's a combination of characters within the file body that is being interpreted as an EOF (ctrl-z). Does anyone have any suggestions as to how best I can get my files copied across. I will also need to get some files from the PC to the QL (i.e. I haven't tried yet), are there any pitfalls or tips to getting that to work. Many thanks for any help. I'm not sure about the eact problem you decided regarding possible false EOF, but you should beware of the risk of losing the executable file header when a binary (executable) file header gets saved on the PC hard disk. QemuLator can handle such files in its own directories as it stores the header separate to the executable. One possible way of working around this is to make a note of the executable program file's length and dataspace on the QL then you stand a chance of being able to restore these in qemulator - lbytes the program file into the common heap, then SEXEC filename$,start,length,dataspace If you had a floppy disk drive on the QL and PC, this would have been the easiest way as Qemulator can read QL floppy disks. There are a couple of pages on my website regarding transfer, but it looks like you've done the hard work already, just need to find a way to work around the ctrl-z problem. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
You could try adding the /B flag to the COPY command on the PC side to say it is a binary file? Also if copying program files it is a good idea to ZIP them up first to preserve the dataspace settings stored in file headers for such files. The QL versions of the ZIP/UNZIP programs know how to handle this so if you unzip them under the emulator these settings get preserved. Dave -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of aup...@dsl.pipex.com Sent: 03 June 2009 12:23 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. I have and old bog-standard QL (i.e. no floppy drives), and I'd like transfer all my files from microdrive cartridges to a PC so I can use them on an emulator. I have a serial cable and can get the machines talking to each other. I'm doing the following, on the QL copy_n mdv1_filename to ser1hz on the PC copy com1 filename This appears to work ok for text-based files, which I can then open up and load in Q-Emulator. However, for binary files I am having problems in that the transfer never completes - the PC reports the transfer as complete, but the QL is still sending, and I end up with only part of the file on the PC. I think what's going on is that there's a combination of characters within the file body that is being interpreted as an EOF (ctrl-z). Does anyone have any suggestions as to how best I can get my files copied across. I will also need to get some files from the PC to the QL (i.e. I haven't tried yet), are there any pitfalls or tips to getting that to work. Many thanks for any help. - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Thanks for the replies. I had tried the /B flag, but it didn't help. I have looked round a number of QL sites, and the implication seems to be that what I'm trying to do is possible. Can anyone confirm whether they've managed to do this successfully? Quoting Dave Walker iti...@ntlworld.com: You could try adding the /B flag to the COPY command on the PC side to say it is a binary file? Also if copying program files it is a good idea to ZIP them up first to preserve the dataspace settings stored in file headers for such files. The QL versions of the ZIP/UNZIP programs know how to handle this so if you unzip them under the emulator these settings get preserved. Dave -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of aup...@dsl.pipex.com Sent: 03 June 2009 12:23 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. I have and old bog-standard QL (i.e. no floppy drives), and I'd like transfer all my files from microdrive cartridges to a PC so I can use them on an emulator. I have a serial cable and can get the machines talking to each other. I'm doing the following, on the QL copy_n mdv1_filename to ser1hz on the PC copy com1 filename This appears to work ok for text-based files, which I can then open up and load in Q-Emulator. However, for binary files I am having problems in that the transfer never completes - the PC reports the transfer as complete, but the QL is still sending, and I end up with only part of the file on the PC. I think what's going on is that there's a combination of characters within the file body that is being interpreted as an EOF (ctrl-z). Does anyone have any suggestions as to how best I can get my files copied across. I will also need to get some files from the PC to the QL (i.e. I haven't tried yet), are there any pitfalls or tips to getting that to work. Many thanks for any help. - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- - Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Copying files from QL to PC
Dave Walker wrote, On 3/06/09 13:54: You could try adding the /B flag to the COPY command on the PC side to say it is a binary file? Also if copying program files it is a good idea to ZIP them up first to preserve the dataspace settings stored in file headers for such files. The QL versions of the ZIP/UNZIP programs know how to handle this so if you unzip them under the emulator these settings get preserved. Yes - zipping is an excellent idea, even for text files. That way with this form of raw copying you can be sure when the file is unzipped successfully it will be OK, as well as preserving the file headers of execables. In the dim and distant past I sold a file transfer program for each end. However the PD qtpi at the QL end and a file transfer program the other using Zmodem (for instance) will help. The QL serial is not too reliable, especially at 9600bps. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
