Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Dilwyn, I had a look back at some issues of Quanta: Volume 7 Issue 9 October 1990 Page 28 HYPERTEXT ON THE QL by Mark Knight Volume 8 Issue 9 October 1991 Page 21 HYPERTEXT, GOLD CARD MATHS by Mark Knight Looks like Mark was writing some Hypertext suite of programs, but abandoned the project due to lack of time. I am sure there was another Hypertext project a little earlier than 1990. Derek Dilwyn Jones wrote: I now remember correponding briefly with Ralf Rekoendt about the TeX system back then. Yes, I still have the disks from Tony Tebby with TeX and MetaFont sources in C. He once wanted to convert that for SMSQ (a very long time ago he also wanted to write a C2SB converternever done...perhaps?). Maybe we all remember the days, when he has written the QJump Newsletter or personal letters with qplq, a kind of typesetting program similar to TeX, written in SuperBASIC only for the Epson LQ 1xxx and Epson LQ 2xxx series. It e.g. allows to print l+r justified with proportional font , tabs etc. and that was not possible with any kind of program for the QL in the 80's (except text87, but that was very much later). Text was just written ad hoc in an editor and typesetted with control codes á la \xxx to justify at will, very similar to TeX. Unfortunately, qplq was one of Tony's inhouse programs, which never saw the light of day. I have written a wman GUI for that with QPTR many years ago and Tony allowed me to release it to the Public Domain, which I haven't done for unknown reasons. Should be a good idea to send it to Dilwyn 8-) (but I thinkhe should have it, even he should have a lot of letters from me printed with that). I still use this program under SMSQE with Marcel's print program (BTW thanks to Marcel to correct a small but very important bug in qplq.). Cheers...Ralf A very interesting reply. And yes, I'd be happy to add it to my website if Ralf wishes. I never had a copy of the system from Ralf AFAIK, but I did receive many letters from Ralf in the 1980s, which I know were done with Tex or a Tex-like system, because I remember he mentioned it several times. I've sent a summary of the replies to Terry in Australia to see if this jogs his memory about the system he was using back then. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Dilwyn, a poke in a different direction , then: In the late eighties/early nineties, when C68 entered stage, there were attempts to port the TeX/LaTex typesetting system from Minix to QDOS. The term hypertext would certainly apply to this (but in a different sense), and it has references to a compiler as well. Whether the attempts ended up with working code, however, I do not recall. Regards Tobias Ah, thank you Tobias, this ties in with something else the correspondent mentioned. I'll pass on this message to Terry - I hope he finds this useful. I now remember correponding briefly with Ralf Rekoendt about the TeX system back then. Dilwyn Jones = Original message follows: Hi Dilwyn, Many thanks for the information from Timothy. The software I was talking about was in use about 10 years before the web appeared. The idea of Hypertext was in discussion from around 1965, long before the Mac's Hypercard. Many of us were using software that had 'Hypertext' in its name in the early 80s. I can date it because I was one of the earliest QL users and I was programming in it before the IBM PC came of the market. This software enable one to write books or documents (only for use on one computer) that had a clickthrough feature so that you could click through to learn more about something (like a wiki) or even make a jump to a different document. I remember it was written in C and I remember early discussion about the idea of object orientation at that time (a friend at Lancaster Uni had just written one of the early PhDs on object orientation based on ADA I think the only softwares to use OO at the time). The QL software I remember was very similar to the hypetext software called GUIDE (written at a uni in the south of England) and I'm waiting for my brain to come up with the author! Many thanks again from here in Australia, Best regards, Terry ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
I remember very well that there was an article somewhere in the QL literature (QL World? Quanta? Quasar?) about someone developing such a software eventually for sale later. It was well before internet hypertext and I was fascinated by the principle. But I think that this software never became commercial. I don't remember anything else though, like software title or author's name.. Arnould On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:14:19 +0100, Dilwyn Jones wrote Dilwyn, a poke in a different direction , then: In the late eighties/early nineties, when C68 entered stage, there were attempts to port the TeX/LaTex typesetting system from Minix to QDOS. The term hypertext would certainly apply to this (but in a different sense), and it has references to a compiler as well. Whether the attempts ended up with working code, however, I do not recall. Regards Tobias Ah, thank you Tobias, this ties in with something else the correspondent mentioned. I'll pass on this message to Terry - I hope he finds this useful. I now remember correponding briefly with Ralf Rekoendt about the TeX system back then. Dilwyn Jones = Original message follows: Hi Dilwyn, Many thanks for the information from Timothy. The software I was talking about was in use about 10 years before the web appeared. The idea of Hypertext was in discussion from around 1965, long before the Mac's Hypercard. Many of us were using software that had 'Hypertext' in its name in the early 80s. I can date it because I was one of the earliest QL users and I was programming in it before the IBM PC came of the market. This software enable one to write books or documents (only for use on one computer) that had a clickthrough feature so that you could click through to learn more about something (like a wiki) or even make a jump to a different document. I remember it was written in C and I remember early discussion about the idea of object orientation at that time (a friend at Lancaster Uni had just written one of the early PhDs on object orientation based on ADA I think the only softwares to use OO at the time). The QL software I remember was very similar to the hypetext software called GUIDE (written at a uni in the south of England) and I'm waiting for my brain to come up with the author! Many thanks again from here in Australia, Best regards, Terry ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
From: Dilwyn Jones I now remember correponding briefly with Ralf Rekoendt about the TeX system back then. Yes, I still have the disks from Tony Tebby with TeX and MetaFont sources in C. He once wanted to convert that for SMSQ (a very long time ago he also wanted to write a C2SB converternever done...perhaps?). Maybe we all remember the days, when he has written the QJump Newsletter or personal letters with qplq, a kind of typesetting program similar to TeX, written in SuperBASIC only for the Epson LQ 1xxx and Epson LQ 2xxx series. It e.g. allows to print l+r justified with proportional font , tabs etc. and that was not possible with any kind of program for the QL in the 80's (except text87, but that was very much later). Text was just written ad hoc in an editor and typesetted with control codes á la \xxx to justify at will, very similar to TeX. Unfortunately, qplq was one of Tony's inhouse programs, which never saw the light of day. I have written a wman GUI for that with QPTR many years ago and Tony allowed me to release it to the Public Domain, which I haven't done for unknown reasons. Should be a good idea to send it to Dilwyn 8-) (but I thinkhe should have it, even he should have a lot of letters from me printed with that). I still use this program under SMSQE with Marcel's print program (BTW thanks to Marcel to correct a small but very important bug in qplq.). Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
I now remember correponding briefly with Ralf Rekoendt about the TeX system back then. Yes, I still have the disks from Tony Tebby with TeX and MetaFont sources in C. He once wanted to convert that for SMSQ (a very long time ago he also wanted to write a C2SB converternever done...perhaps?). Maybe we all remember the days, when he has written the QJump Newsletter or personal letters with qplq, a kind of typesetting program similar to TeX, written in SuperBASIC only for the Epson LQ 1xxx and Epson LQ 2xxx series. It e.g. allows to print l+r justified with proportional font , tabs etc. and that was not possible with any kind of program for the QL in the 80's (except text87, but that was very much later). Text was just written ad hoc in an editor and typesetted with control codes á la \xxx to justify at will, very similar to TeX. Unfortunately, qplq was one of Tony's inhouse programs, which never saw the light of day. I have written a wman GUI for that with QPTR many years ago and Tony allowed me to release it to the Public Domain, which I haven't done for unknown reasons. Should be a good idea to send it to Dilwyn 8-) (but I thinkhe should have it, even he should have a lot of letters from me printed with that). I still use this program under SMSQE with Marcel's print program (BTW thanks to Marcel to correct a small but very important bug in qplq.). Cheers...Ralf A very interesting reply. And yes, I'd be happy to add it to my website if Ralf wishes. I never had a copy of the system from Ralf AFAIK, but I did receive many letters from Ralf in the 1980s, which I know were done with Tex or a Tex-like system, because I remember he mentioned it several times. I've sent a summary of the replies to Terry in Australia to see if this jogs his memory about the system he was using back then. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Dilwyn Jones schrieb: Neither were around in the mid-1980s AFAIK. And my viewer had nothing to do with C (it was compiled basic). The other HTML browsers and readers I can remember are: Q-Mosaic - on my website (internet utilities page) Progs html reader, part of the Prowess system HyperBrowser - Tarquin Mills xhtml text browser. I think there's also been other programs like Hyperhelp and a few other Help utilities vaguely related to this type of software, but none that I can think of which relate directly to the query. Since the person who asked referred to C, I wonder if there was any example routine or application which might have been part of a pre-C68 C package, for example? Dilwyn, a poke in a different direction , then: In the late eighties/early nineties, when C68 entered stage, there were attempts to port the TeX/LaTex typesetting system from Minix to QDOS. The term hypertext would certainly apply to this (but in a different sense), and it has references to a compiler as well. Whether the attempts ended up with working code, however, I do not recall. Regards Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Hi Dilwyn, Can anyone help with this query I've just received? Never heard of it - as far as I can remember - on the QL. That's not to say that it wasn't a QL program though! Sorry. Google maybe? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Norman Dunbar wrote: Google maybe? Well I tried looking for hypertext +ql or Hypertext +qdos or Hypertext +sinclair - nothing of relevance I'm afraid. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Dont know if it ever materialised for the QL. There was a program for the Atari ST called Hypertext. Perhaps your correspondent was thinking of that? Per Dilwyn Jones wrote: Can anyone help with this query I've just received? Dilwyn Jones I'm trying to locate information about software I used on a QL in the mid-80s. As far as I remember it was called something 'Hypertext'. It offered hypertext jumps in documents and ran via a C compiler. I'd welcome any information on it that you know about or any pointers to other that might know more. TL ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
Dilwyn Jones schrieb: Can anyone help with this query I've just received? Dilwyn Jones I'm trying to locate information about software I used on a QL in the mid-80s. As far as I remember it was called something 'Hypertext'. It offered hypertext jumps in documents and ran via a C compiler. I'd welcome any information on it that you know about or any pointers to other that might know more. TL Dilwyn, the closest thing to hypertext on the QL (except Lynx, the text mode web browser) I can recall is your very own Viewer program - But you checked that already, I suppose - It at least has links and embedded graphics.. BR Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] hypertext query
the closest thing to hypertext on the QL (except Lynx, the text mode web browser) I can recall is your very own Viewer program - But you checked that already, I suppose - It at least has links and embedded graphics.. BR Tobias Neither were around in the mid-1980s AFAIK. And my viewer had nothing to do with C (it was compiled basic). The other HTML browsers and readers I can remember are: Q-Mosaic - on my website (internet utilities page) Progs html reader, part of the Prowess system HyperBrowser - Tarquin Mills xhtml text browser. I think there's also been other programs like Hyperhelp and a few other Help utilities vaguely related to this type of software, but none that I can think of which relate directly to the query. Since the person who asked referred to C, I wonder if there was any example routine or application which might have been part of a pre-C68 C package, for example? -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] hypertext query
Can anyone help with this query I've just received? Dilwyn Jones I'm trying to locate information about software I used on a QL in the mid-80s. As far as I remember it was called something 'Hypertext'. It offered hypertext jumps in documents and ran via a C compiler. I'd welcome any information on it that you know about or any pointers to other that might know more. TL ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
