RE: [ql-users] Very fast C5

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
I read that a while back and was somewhat intrigued ! 150 MPH in a C5, I'd rather not thank you. My Honda Civic does about 120, but not with me driving so there's no way I'd go that fast in a plastic pram. Mind you, the fastest I've ever travelled (on tarmac) was 175 MPH - on a Honda CBR 1000

RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Phoebus R. Dokos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) 5. No matter how much you agree or disagree with Peter, you have to admit that

[ql-users] Minerva source code

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
I'm told that Lawrence tends to lurk on this list, so hopefully, he might see this. There is news that Minerva source is being 'opened' and I was wondering how to get hold of it, and if it would be possible to put it on my QDOS Internals web site as a download and/or as a full discussion with

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Darren . Branagh
Roy Wood Wrote:- I don't know about the rest of you but I have always seen this list as the cybernetic equivalent of the chat in the pub after a QL show. Very much so, I agree totally. Except cybernetic pints don't quite taste the same ;-)) There are some groups of people earnestly

[ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list (OT)

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 09:40:31, wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Roy Wood Wrote:- I don't know about the rest of you but I have always seen this list as the cybernetic equivalent of the chat in the pub after a QL show. Very much so, I agree totally. Except cybernetic pints don't quite taste

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list (OT)

2002-02-07 Thread Darren . Branagh
Tony Firshman wrote:- I don't get cross at a choral concert if someone talks about the weather. I cannot understand people getting hot under the collar about all this and stamping feet. There is more to life. Agreed. Lets all lighten up a bit.. Darren - where have you stashed your 500m

RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) Do you mean 'a real 68060 QL instead of emulators' That is pretty mild I think,

RE: [ql-users] Very fast C5

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
One long straight road, with a kind half way along. (Off road I hasten to add !!) And the weather was, surprisingly fine, for Scotland. Norm. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:14:38AM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Bye bye then Peter. I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. I think your hardware

Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 12:13:21, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Do you mean 'a real 68060 QL instead of emulators' That is pretty mild I think, or have I missed something. Yep, that's the one. I just thought it was 'slanted' following on from the recent discussions of the

RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
Ok, then I apologise (he could be lurking) for the misreading. Sorry Peter. Regards, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list [ND] I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - [RZ] but they are on-topic Yes, I agree,

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Dave
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: [ND] I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - [RZ] but they are on-topic Yes, I agree, and didn't say that they weren't. However, there is a ql-developers list for hardware ? So, effectively, all the hardware stuff in ql-users *is* OT

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:22 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Well, hardware *development* has an appropriate group, but general

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Dave
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) Argh, typo! ql-fetish... The way some people go on about the QL it's

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
At 02:25 ìì 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) Probably me (sleep with my Aurora every night - Much to my wife's chagrin...) Phoebus

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Ian . Pine
Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is monitored. Ian. -Original Message- From: dexter Sent: 07 February 2002 14:31 To:

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Dave
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is monitored. That would be: better than the board

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Ian . Pine
Can't telnet. SSH? Please excuse my ignorance of that particular TLA :O) -Original Message- From: dexter Sent: 07 February 2002 14:59 To: ql-users Cc: dexter Subject: RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web-based

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Dave
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't telnet. SSH? Please excuse my ignorance of that particular TLA :O) SSH is the Secure SHell. It's essentially telnet by SSL... All traffic is encrypted both ways. Whenever you're telnetting to a Linux machine, SSH does the same job

Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 08:51:08AM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: -Original Message- From: Phoebus R. Dokos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) 5. No

RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) [ND] Peter's attitude was totally unacceptable in my opinion, and that of those

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
At 02:59 ìì 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is

RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Ian . Pine
SSH is the Secure SHell. It's essentially telnet by SSL... Ah, now SSL I have heard of. Can't do anything like that without prior approval, and that requires a business case. We're sewn (or should that be 'stitched'?) up tighter than a really tight thing in a jar with the lid screwed on

[ql-users] [OT] Disclaimer, was ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
Ian, I can't even stop those stupid disclaimers being appended to all my mails. We are the same here. Our disclaimer is a bit stupid as well. It says 'This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an

Re: [ql-users] [OT] Disclaimer, was ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Dave
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any

RE: [ql-users] Partition

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
Yimply copy the QPC directory over to the D drive - assume C:\qpv2 to D:\qpc2. Copy the 'c:\qxl.win' file, or whatever you are using as a QL hard drive over to D:\qxl.win as well. Change the icon for QPC from C drive to D Drive. Right click, properties, then edit the targe or command line and if

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 14:31:08, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ?

Re: [ql-users] Very fast C5

2002-02-07 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I read that a while back and was somewhat intrigued ! 150 MPH in a C5, I'd rather not thank you. My Honda Civic does about 120, but not with me driving so there's no way I'd go that fast in a plastic pram. Mind you, the fastest I've ever travelled (on tarmac) was 175 MPH - on a Honda CBR 1000

Re: [ql-users] Partition

2002-02-07 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Arnold Clarke wrote: I have a hard drive with 750mb on C drive and 250mb on D drive. I have QPC2v3 on C drive and I am short of space on C drive. D drive is not necessary. Question 1- can I remove the partition and if so how? Yes, but you don't gain space by that because C will stay the

[ql-users] Sources

2002-02-07 Thread Christopher Cave
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Swenson suggested, inter alia, the following book when I originally asked about books on computing: The Elements of Programming Style Kernighan and Plaugher I got it from the British Library and am attempting to devour it in a month. But really, I need a

Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:48:03PM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: [RZ]If the general consensus (as you claim) is that more than 80% of talk on [RZ]this list should be devoted to some M$ virus nonsense he won't be the last [RZ}one to quit. Well, I never claimed 80%, or indeed any figures,

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 02:10:22PM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list [ND] I think your hardware

[ql-users] elf compilers

2002-02-07 Thread Michael Grunditz
Is there any elf producing compilers for qdos/sms ? -- Michael Grunditz System Software Engineer E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office direct: +46 8 448 04 92 Office general: +46 8 448 04 50 Mobile: +46 709 54 61 54 Industri-Matematik International Web: http://www.im.se

[ql-users] Re: Q-less

2002-02-07 Thread John Hitchcock
Dave sez - BTW: I'm still QL-less... Scary huh? Malcolm sez - Well, if you ever visit England that can be cured :-) John sez - It can also be cured if you _prioritise_ (;) and that means coming to Wales...! One JM + Gold Card + Microvitec Cub Monitor + DD disks + all else necessary Collect

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Geoff Wicks
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is clearly a need for a document on virus handling ... when I get time I will liase with you and we can put out an advice notice. Maybe on your website. Then whenever there is a problem with a virus we can refer to

[ql-users] this list

2002-02-07 Thread cgraf
Hi! I couldn't read this list for 5 days or so, opened my email program, started downloading.. horror, shocks: almost 200 emails of [ql-users] mailing list. OK think positive, could be a good sign, ql world is alive. But then..Half of it full with off topic emails (mainly virus talking).

[ql-users] CF Cards and Hot-swapable readers.

2002-02-07 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
Hi, since many people asked me about them: If I can get 20 orders for 64Meg 26x cards, the price will be 32.99 + sh For H/S reader the price right now is 22$ each HOWEVER the H/S readers are h/s only if you start the reader with a card inside (at least on a PC... I havent tested them

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q-less

2002-02-07 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
At 09:44 ìì 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, John Hitchcock wrote: Ok... someone is going to mention 50/60Hz I'm waiting. (:O( I'm building a powered backplane which will take power from a switched mode PSU. Such things as 50/60Hz and voltages won't be an issue. Why

Re: [ql-users] Re: Q-less

2002-02-07 Thread Dave
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: Why don't you ask Nasta for a Q-Plane? or Tony for a M-Plane (not good to re-invent the wheel) I'm not making this for general sale. This is a one-off backplane with a good quality SMPS and test points, that will allow me to do testing and

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread cgraf
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:14:38 - Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. it sucks if certain people don't

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread cgraf
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:24:38 + Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] uk, Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Snipped :-) END RANT MODE A lot of your 'rant' needed to said.

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread cgraf
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:40:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The I'm not playing anymore attitude is great when you're seven years old, kinda wears out after that. Guess what? Some people have grown up, need to go to work and don't have the full day to filter a grain of ql info out of

[ql-users] QLU Netiquette (was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
At 11:25 ìì 7/2/2002 +0100, you wrote: The fact is: Off topic emails are breaking the rules of this list, see above. Peter (and a lot of others) are the victims, please don't forget that. Converting the victims into gulty ones is perversion. Although I don't think that anyone wants to turn

Re: [ql-users] QLU Netiquette (was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 22:54:42, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: c. We create a couple of separate lists like for example: Ql-chat... This way everyone's happy and we don't have too much trouble Which is what I just did. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ql-users] QLU Netiquette (was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 23:40:42, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 22:54:42, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: c. We create a couple of separate lists like for example: Ql-chat... This way everyone's happy

Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list

2002-02-07 Thread Bill Waugh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:14:38 - Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it.

Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Timothy Swenson
I thought I would chime in here on the current topic of the mailing list. In keeping with the style RANT ON I find a lot of the traffic on this group to be not really worth my time to read. The delete key is my handy little friend and I use it often after skimming the subject line.

Re: [ql-users] Sources

2002-02-07 Thread Timothy Swenson
At 07:51 PM 2/7/2002 +, you wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Swenson suggested, inter alia, the following book when I originally asked about books on computing: The Elements of Programming Style Kernighan and Plaugher Here's a link that has a summary of the lessons in the book.

Re: [ql-users] CF Cards and Hot-swapable readers.

2002-02-07 Thread paulholm
Seen this price??? http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=965874 Is this a good $$$ today??? -- Paul Holmgren Hoosier Corps #33, L-6 2 57 300-C's in Indy

Re: [ql-users] this list

2002-02-07 Thread wlenerz
On 7 Feb 2002, at 22:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I couldn't read this list for 5 days or so, opened my email program, started downloading.. horror, shocks: almost 200 emails of [ql-users] mailing list. OK think positive, could be a good sign, ql world is alive. But then..Half of it

RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Dunbar
Richard, it was approximately 80% of trafic the last few days and you were defending this practice, simple conclusion. An incorrect conclusion then.I wasn't defending anything. I was giving my opinion thet Peter over reacted. I haven't got time to count up all the emails, so I'll take your