RE: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-12-04 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 3 Dec 2004 at 21:58, Duncan Neithercut wrote: the GUI - I find that it does not list all printer drivers correctly - loses first the one so passes the driver ID one position out of step to the filter. I only have 6 installed only the Epson stylus ones. Ooops, yes, done. Also the

RE: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-12-03 Thread Duncan Neithercut
No. Both remain selected so its difficult to know what is selected. Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wolfgang Lenerz Sent: 01 December 2004 19:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter Hi all, work

RE: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-12-03 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 3 Dec 2004 at 21:58, Duncan Neithercut wrote: Hi, the GUI - I find that it does not list all printer drivers correctly - loses first the one so passes the driver ID one position out of step to the filter. I only have 6 installed only the Epson stylus ones. Also the radio button Yes

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-12-03 Thread Rich Mellor
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:58:46 -, Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, the GUI - I find that it does not list all printer drivers correctly - loses first the one so passes the driver ID one position out of step to the filter. I only have 6 installed only the Epson stylus ones. Also

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter, monospace font

2004-12-02 Thread dilwyn.jones
Is there an easy way of finding out what characters a font supports?? You could try 'ProWesS Fonts Utilities'. Or for those using only Proforma, not ProWesS, the older SHOWPFF or whatever the font viewing utility was called (supplied with pre-ProWesS Line Designs) Dilwyn Jones

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-12-01 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
Hi all, work on the Proforma printing suite continues. There is a new version on my website. This now contains the PFF device which, hopefully, is close to completion, pending bug fixes of the bugs you will find... Anyway, it will now call up a (configurable) file or (configurable)

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-30 Thread dilwyn.jones
Hmm - just thought - if you allow for C strings, you need to ensure that the character BEFORE the SER or PAR is not another letter, eg we could replace a prompt: Print to (SER), but not You are a loser (both would end with byte 0. And yes, Joachim is correct - you do also need to be

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-29 Thread dilwyn.jones
Do all programs have a word length counter before the device name or do some have a byte length one? And any programs known to use a device name delimited by LF or whatever rather than the internal format with length word/byte? Good question - normally a word length. What about

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-28 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Depends - someone might at some stage develop a program which can output both text and graphics.. I think there was an old utility which already could do this from a Quill DOC file - am thinking back to CGH Services days (late 80s) Surely it would make more sense to send everything as

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-28 Thread Dilwyn Jones
, November 27, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter cut Depends - someone might at some stage develop a program which can output both text and graphics.. I think there was an old utility which already could do this from a Quill DOC file - am thinking back to CGH Services

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-27 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 27 Nov 2004 at 16:02, Rich Mellor wrote: Trouble is we need to foresee that not everyone will think to swap the printer driver over. No. If they don't swap - too bad for them. If we can support it - why not I am happy to assist with writing the programs, I don't expect it to all

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread dilwyn.jones
Remember, each different GDI printer needs its own driver... I have mentioned this so many times. ProForma as it stands will only print to printers for which it has drivers and there are no ESC/P raster drivers. The cheap printers have no emulations. Even the expensive printers often have

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread dilwyn.jones
I have no idea how easy it is to pass a PIC file to Proforma - Joachim?? Great to know that PROforma has existsed for (I think) close to ten years now, and still hardly anybody knows anything about it :-( The term is more like knew rather than knows. I probably have forgotten more about it

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread dilwyn.jones
Rich Mellor wrote: Does anyone have some source code I could look at for creating THINGs and using them?? Need more than a simple example I guess - would of course not disclose it to anyone without permission if it is for a commercial product 1) Have a look at Jochen's THING articles

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 25 Nov 2004 at 20:44, Rich Mellor wrote: The trouble is locating them - if these printers are so readily available at low prices, then what exactly are we developing this for as the QL can already output PCL 3 (just not the later versions). Well all I (innocently) did to get this started

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Rich Mellor
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:54:49 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Nov 2004 at 20:44, Rich Mellor wrote: The trouble is locating them - if these printers are so readily available at low prices, then what exactly are we developing this for as the QL can already output PCL 3

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Rich Mellor Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter Peter Graf is work on network drivers for the Qx0. What happens if an application crashes while printing, is the PFF device block from further use. Glad to hear

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 26 Nov 2004 at 13:27, Rich Mellor wrote: (...) Best option is to throw some files at the filter once it is running on a wide number of setups. Everyone uses different translates where one character in Quill is translated to various printer control codes, eg. to use italics, get both the

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Dave P
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, gwicks wrote: If you want information from Peter, why don't you email him privately? I had an extensive correspondence with him over QL2004 without any problems. I have always found Peter to speak his own mind. He is always willing to talk by email. I got off to a very

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Rich Mellor
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:40:57 -0600 (CST), Dave P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, gwicks wrote: If you want information from Peter, why don't you email him privately? I had an extensive correspondence with him over QL2004 without any problems. I have always found Peter to speak

RE: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Duncan Neithercut
in market research? :- )) Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gwicks Sent: 25 November 2004 21:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter - Original Message - From: Rich Mellor Sent: Thursday

RE: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread Duncan Neithercut
] Proforma Filter - Original Message - From: Rich Mellor Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter Peter Graf is work on network drivers for the Qx0. What happens if an application crashes while printing, is the PFF device block from further

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-26 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Rich Mellor Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter Fair enough, but all I want is for him to post a message to the mailing list or even one of the magazines, letting us know what developments are happening every now

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread dilwyn.jones
Yes, even Quill should be able to write to PFF as long as you enter it as '_PFF' in the printing dialogue if it won't accept just PFF. Quill can even accommodate unusual names like _n1_PAR for printing IIRC. Shouldn't be too difficult to write a program which looks for and automatically

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:11:19 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, even Quill should be able to write to PFF as long as you enter it as '_PFF' in the printing dialogue if it won't accept just PFF. Quill can even accommodate unusual names like _n1_PAR for printing IIRC. Shouldn't be too difficult

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Rich Mellor
I am glad to see that this has at least inspired some interest and hopefully we will see the beginnings of some work towards an actual product - although we still have no confirmation that Proforms can output to a Windows only printer - if not, we may be in trouble. Surely someone has access

RE: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Claude Mourier 00
Like SPLF tk2 ? -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Rich Mellor Envoyé : jeudi 25 novembre 2004 16:52 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter (...) Joachim then identified a third problem if we are to use a PFF device

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Tarquin Mills
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Mellor wrote: Finally, the other problem to be addressed is how the QL will communicate with the printer. Admittedly more and more printers have USB only connection which means that they currently cannot be connected to a native QL or the Qx0. However,

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:48:32 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Nov 2004 at 15:52, Rich Mellor wrote: I am glad to see that this has at least inspired some interest and hopefully we will see the beginnings of some work towards an actual product - although we still have no

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:33:16 GMT, Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Mellor wrote: Finally, the other problem to be addressed is how the QL will communicate with the printer. Admittedly more and more printers have USB only connection which means that they

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 25 Nov 2004 at 18:46, Rich Mellor wrote: If Proforma cannot output to these printers - is there much point in persuing this further as people will still be struggling to find printers which are compatible with the QL... I disagree (again...). I'd never buy a GDI printer, and there are

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:43:29 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Nov 2004 at 18:46, Rich Mellor wrote: If Proforma cannot output to these printers - is there much point in persuing this further as people will still be struggling to find printers which are compatible with the

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-25 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Well , if one told me what these were, I'd probably have done it already... Have a look at the standard Quill output for starters - Dilwyn will have a copy of the complete Epson ESC/P programming manual somewhere for download, but it is large. Text87 output is a lot more troublesome as it

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-17 Thread dilwyn.jones
3. The program Wolfgang provided. This will then regularly check the accounting thing to know if something needs to be printed. If there is, then it goes ahead and prints stuff. If a new print job arrives for a printer which is already being printed on, the job is delayed (this would

Re: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-17 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 17 Nov 2004 at 14:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming it's a filter program which for example copies the file printed to ram1_ to a chosen printer... 1. Reserved filename, say ram1_prtfile_dat or similar. (Would allow printer drivers to be configured to this filename if this is the