Wolfgang wrote:
I disagree. If it runs Ql software, looks like a QL (on the monitor)
and baves like one, then it is a QL. Never mind whether it is an
elulator or a Q40 (or a "real" Ql, for that matter).
There are a lot of reasons why a M$ Windows PC is not a QL system. One of
them you have
Wolfgang wrote:
It was just an example. Lets say I want to use MAC software. Under Q60
Linux it can run native and fast (because of the 68060), but on PC Linux I
need to emulate a MACs CPU so I lose 95% of the speed.
A rather bad example, because I could say the same for PC
programs
Of
Marcel wrote:
Of course not. QPC is a platform all by itself. It does not need to
imitate anything.
IMHO QPC is a good software emulator, but not a platform by itself. If it
was a platform, you could run an operating system on it!
QPC can't do that. For examle it can not run QDOS. Or any other
Marcel wrote:
For me a Windows PC is never a QL system!!!
Point of view. I see it this way: if it smells like tea, tastes like
tea and looks like tea, it probably is tea.
Hm. If it smells like Bill Gate's feet, tastes a little like Pentium
silicon and sometimes looks like coffee, I have my
Wolfgang wrote:
Well, I'd say that a hardware developper has hardware problems,
and a software developper has software problems... I don't think
that developping either QPC or the Q40 was a mean feat!
The size of problems depends not only on development itself.
After I developed a program, I
Marcel wrote:
There are a lot of reasons why a M$ Windows PC is not a QL system. One of
them you have given yourself: It would have to behave like a QL! When I
need minutes to boot the machine and my emulator crashes because of a
Windows graphic driver problem I really don't have the
Marcel wrote:
QPC can't do that. For examle it can not run QDOS.
QDOS had to be adapted to run on the Q40, the same as SMSQ/E was. I
could adapt QDOS classic to run on QPC.
I wasn't talking about what QPC *could* do if it was *changed*. You called
QPC a platform all by itself, and I think it
Bill wrote:
Presently I run a Q40 and a PC sharing a Sony monitor and epson printer
, no switchboxs required, the monitor has two inputs and its own switch
for selection, the printer runs on USB from the PC and Parallel from the
Q40
Very good idea.
only one proviso the printer must be off when
Wolfgang wrote:
The size of problems depends not only on development itself.
After I developed a program, I need a stack of disks or some Webspace.
But what after I developed a mainboard?
See the difference? Dealing with the production+service issue might have
cost me more of my money
Marcel wrote:
Why can't you accept the fact, that QPC is just a software emulator,
emulating one single OS?
Sure, it is. It's designed for that. But the only direct link between
QPC and SMSQ/E is the way the configuration works, because it is read
out of the SMSQ/E file.
Still QPC and SMSQ
Wolfgang wrote:
QPC presumes (and rightly so) that you have a running
and functioning Windows machine.
Exactly. That is IMHO one of the reasons why a Windows PC is not a QL system.
On a QL/Q40 I don't have to fight with Windows problems to keep my QL/Q40
from crashing.
I don't know about
Tony Firshman wrote:
Do you get initial screen blanking, and then
nothing (I wish TT did a splash screen!).
Or better: A progress indicator while starting up.
You probably miss the old QL way of a screen memory test you can *watch* :-)
Describe exactly, because, like the QL, the various
Marcel wrote:
Anyway, let's call it a /QL compatible/ platform of it's own.
How about/SMSQ only/ platform of it's MS Windows? :-)
Still think interfaces that nobody can access don't make a platform. But
surrounded by SMSQ-on-Windows users it looks like I must give up :-)
Peter
Roy Wood wrote:
The real problem that faces us is a lack of any really new software for
the QL in general and the longer that situation persists the more people
we will lose to other computers.
Yes, this is the biggest problem. I didn't mention it directly, but I think
good native hardware
Dilwyn wrote:
Same here really. While I'd love to buy a Q40 or Q60, space
considerations, wife's considerations etc etc mean one computer space
is all I'm allowed now. (In fact the small size of the MinisQL and a
monitor switchbox meant I could have two in the space of one! although
I mainly use
Tony wrote:
(In fact the small size of the MinisQL and a
monitor switchbox meant I could have two in the space of one! although
I mainly use the QPC2 system).
BTW I have used the same case for a Q60. (Thanks to Keith.) Possible, but
it means a lot of tinkering since Tony Firshman has not yet
Bill wrote:
Hard times for QL hard-ware these days.
We hear you
We sympathise
We are very grateful
We buy what we can
We can't buy the stuff for the rest though.
Thank you very much, Bill! Folks like you are the ones who keep things
moving. I shall not forget your encouragement.
Peter
Wolfgang wrote:
Me too, I'm awaiting the Q60 with impatience (just to put some
pressure on Claus Peter...)
Pressure on Claus is absolutely useless, he isn't involved.
Pressure on me is almost useless, because the development work has been done.
The reasons why the Q60 isn't produced in
Hi,
by a QL Today article from Roy Wood, several users have got the wrong
impression the Q40 was not suitable for an ATX case. I had several personal
emails about this, so I think it is time for a public explanation.
The Q40 is *not* simply an AT mainboard. It directly fits into both AT and
ATX
Thierry wrote:
I'm back from a long trip at sea... Expect an (over due) update
to my Web site next week.
Thank you very much for your Website work!
The Q40 is *not* simply an AT mainboard. It directly fits into both AT and
ATX cases. This also applies to the mounting holes. At design time I
Hi Derek,
Is there any plans to incorporate the ATX power management system into the
Q40 (SMSQ/E) rom
Tony Tebby is the only one who has the means to change SMSQ/E, and there is
more important other work, so there are no plans for power saving functions
yet.
On the hardware side, the Q40/Q60
Wolfgang wrote:
I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter
Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too?
Jerome wrote:
} I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter
} Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too?
Me too ?
Sorry, it was not my intention to disappoint
Jerome wrote:
} Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS.
With or without cache ? (w/ : which mode ?)
Copyback on. Richard's Q60 is a 66 MHz one. The 80 MHz version shows 160
BogoMIPS.
Have you tried dhrystone on it ? (which compilation ?)
Q60/80: 101000 Dhrystones/s,
Hi Bojan,
Why not just buy a used AT case? I sold one of mine for cca. £8...
Why not. But even a new AT cases are often quite cheap. I recently saw one
for about UKP 20 including power supply.
Another question, AFAIK AT and ATX power supplies have different
connectors for the mainboard.
Per wrote:
There seem to be some problems with floating point numbers on SMSQ/E
(2.98)
First of all, entering numbers between 2E308 and 9E308 crash Sbasic!
[snip]
Another Intel Pentium bug? ;-)
No problem with Q40 and Q60 under SMSQ/E 2.98.
I never liked the idea of converting essential
Marcel wrote:
Despite this lapse, I hope all belligerents will do their utmost
restrain themselves, so as to avoid another mega Q-war! [8O
No fear, I was going to ignore the comment anyway,
You don't believe that :-)
there's no point in arguing. Though I have to say
Here we go :-)
that in
Nasta wrote:
there are a couple of 68EC060's about to appear on Ebay for around
$25 plus shipping, look for them under electronic parts within 12 hours
Thanks for trying to help. Unfortunately the EC version is too crippled to
run SMSQ/E or Linux.
Phoebus wrote:
well do your sources tell
Ian wrote:
It would be good to have Pine Lynx running in SMSQ. What is the
current status of TCP/IP and PPP project, and will most NE2000 ISA
cards work in a Q40?
NE2000 ethernet cards for the Q40 and Q60 should have configuration jumpers
for IRQ and address. It doesn't matter if the card
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Well, to put some oil on the fire (...) what is the ENORMOUS
advantage QPC has over the Q60?
You can buy it.
(Sorry Peter, I couldn't resits that one).
Wolfgang
In the meantime I couldn't resist to build a complete Q60 system ;-)
It was meant to be my own brandnew
Hi Malcolm,
So the operating system on a Q60 is SMSQ ( in ROM ? ), which is loading
a complied version of Linux optimised for SMSQ ?
What is the actual sequence of a Q60 startup ?
QDOS/SMSQ boots from ROM. That takes just a few seconds. If you just want
to use QDOS/SMSQ, here you are.
If you
Hi Thierry !
Today, I wrote a small Q40/Q60 utility: CAPSMON v1.00
A CAPSLOCK monitor that makes for the absence of the keyboard
CAPSLOCK LED support on Q40/Q60 (why the hell are the keyboard
LEDs disabled ?!? Peter ?).
Because I never look at them anyway ;-)
While XT keyboards were still
Thierry wrote:
How do you manage to do your QLing away from home, Thierry? Do you
have a QL system you take with you on the ship, or do you use a QL
emulator on a laptop or something?
Laptop and QPC...
Talking about portable QLing... I've made a few pictures of my MiniQ60,
built around the
Ian wrote:
Incidentally, mkpart_exe offered some 16 million sectors for
partitioning, which by my reckoning is about 8Gb, though when I put all
this is one partition and formatted it I only got 4Gb. However, if I
made two 8 million sector partitions I found I could format them both
to 4Gb,
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
As the proud owner of an Aurora/Super Gold Card version of the
original Minis-QL, I can vouch for the appeal of such a tiny and
portable version of a QL. My Minis-QL is a fantastic machine, so
adding the sheer power of a Q60 in such a tiny system (and the
pictures alone are
Hi Giorgio Garabello,
Q40 is still available?
Should be, but production runs very slow.
Q60 is in production?
Still not in series production yet, but I try to supply a few waiting users
with single boards. If you want one, please contact me by private email.
There still is hope for a Q60
Richard wrote:
there is no need to add the bloat of ISO9660 just to read a single QXL.WIN
Putting the QXL.WIN image directly on the CD is much cleaner and files
inside are still trivially accessible using qxltool on any reasonable OS.
Time to set out own standards :)
Seconded :-)
A raw SMSQ
Nasta wrote:
Let's also remember that users that do not have a Q40/60 may also
want CD access. Not everyone has (or for that matter can have or wants)
Linux on their QL compatible hardware.
I think most of us are well aware of this. *If* a plain QDOS/SMSQ
CD-recording software gets written,
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Umm ... nice idea.
I've got a Compact Flash card in a pocket computer. Nice devices !
Pity that they are not 'hot swapping', though, as you suggest.
Although they are very useful as a permanent second drive :-)
No hot-swapping doesn't mean should be permanent.
Just power
Per wrote:
I would probably have followed a similar policy. However, I do it for
the silence. Admittedly it is not ideal. A 128 Mb flash disk would be
nice ;)
If you're willing to use something not 100% tested, I could provide you
with the same IDE-CompactFlash adaptor I had good results with.
Richard wrote:
I would probably have followed a similar policy. However, I do it for
the silence. Admittedly it is not ideal. A 128 Mb flash disk would be
nice ;)
If you're willing to use something not 100% tested, I could provide you
with the same IDE-CompactFlash adaptor I had good
There are probably two IDE channels I/O ISA cards available: plugging
such a card as a replacement for the original I/O card would prevent
using the second ISA slot...
Or find yourself a case with ISA slot riser. Allows for 5 cards then.
That's what Claus, Richard and me use.
Peter
Hi Jerome,
I have found at a local store two (!) different ISA card
that would provide additional IDE drives for my Q40.
(ISA is really becoming hard to find !)
But before I buy one of them, is there something particular
I should check ?
The card should be non plug'n play.
I had a look at one
Jonathan Dent wrote:
There has been little or no response from to my QL-Today
offer to send out the SLIP version of soql by post.
Please don't feel depressed. It is probably not lack of interest, but lack
of information for beginners and lack of SLIP accounts.
I am still working on PPP and I
Hi Wolfgang,
like you I feel deep sympathy to the americans. I hope nobody on this list
has lost friends or relatives.
I've recently had some time to play around with my all new Q60.
I'm very happy with it, it is a nifty beast.
Nice to hear.
I had to change one instruction in the ATAPI
Richard wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:22:26PM +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
On 13 Sep 2001, at 22:28, Thierry Godefroy wrote:
I wonder what this instruction is as none of the beta-testers had
reported any crash so far...
I thought you were gone for a long time, so didn't send you
Hi Nasta,
Not entirely on-topic... and probably a question for Peter Graf:
I'd say fully on-topic! You talk about QL hardware, and I am sure it is one
of the purposes of this list.
The Q60, AFAIK uses either a 66MHZ 68060 or a 75MHz (clocked at 80MHz)
68LC060.
Almost. The 66 MHz version
Nasta wrote:
Thanks for that info. The 68060 cleverly provides a thermal sensing
resistor on chip, so at least temperature can be conclusively measured.
I see that you know what I mean ;-)
First, there have been some impressive figures posted on the Q60 web site
about the power consumption.
Nasta wrote:
Yes, the original idea behing the GoldFire was to use the QXL version of
SMSQ as the basis for it, as that is the closest related hardware.
I don't think so. The Q40 is *much* nearer to your earlier announcement
than the QXL. Think about memory map, interrupt structure, screen
Nasta wrote:
You are right, i should have been more precise, the QXL WAS the closest
hardware
And NOW it is the Q40/Q60, isn't it? ;-)
When it finally materialized (somehwere around the time the Aurora
became available) I already had plans to do a SGC successor because
it was clear Miracle was
Nasta wrote:
This doesn't sound very good. My best wishes that your personal situation
may become better!
Actually, I am sorry to say, it got signifficantly worse just a few days
ago - WTC and Pentagon attack spillover...
:-((
Yes. One of them is going to be finished very soon, too, the
Nasta wrote:
When it finally materialized (somehwere around the time the Aurora
became available) I already had plans to do a SGC successor because
it was clear Miracle was pulling out of the QL market.
You must have had a lot of insider knowlegde about Miracles policies.
After I announced the
Roy Wood wrote:
[ULTRA GOLD CARD announcement Nov./Dec. 1997]
...
This was not a competitor to the Q 40 but a direct response to
Qubbesoft's announcement of the Goldfire.
At least the *timing* when the announcement appeared was directly related
to the Q40. Goldfire specs had been announced
Hi Ian,
Reading Peter Graf's article 'Different Viewpoints' in QL Today, has
left me confused about the use of 68k FP instructions. Commenting on
the Test909-Math benchmark, Peter points out that there is Intel FP
code in SMSQ/E for QPC but none for 68k hardware. Is this true of
SBASIC as
Tony wrote:
Microdrives especially killed the QL. He tried to push the speed up to
100k - and they never worked reliably. Unfortunately, the 3.5 disks at
the time were simply too large and power hungry.
If only...
..the QL would have been more successful than the Macintosh, there'd be
Hi,
It was the transistor under the heatsink..:)
Integrated voltage regulator, not transistor.
The user before you has probably supplied his SGC 5V externally,
so he removed the connection of the SGC's voltage regulator output
to the rest of the SGC.
Solder the disconnected pin to the place
Hi Bill,
don't think you're alone!
I now have little faith in this drive ( 2.1 meg Cavier ).
Just wondered if anyone had any ideas why this could of happened.
Caviar is Western Digital I guess.
Also had a lot of bad luck with harddisks. 3 died in a PC.
2 Quantum and 1 Western Digital. None
Hi Dave,
I've been looking at the current batch (that's really too big a word for
it) of QL-evolved boards and don't really see anything that I can say
Hey, that's a modern day super-QL! I want one!
Q40/Q60 use the fastest possible CPUs, the fastest possible graphics,
and (almost) the only
Hi Dave,
My comments are more a reflection on the lack of explanation given on the
site ;)
If you look real close, you'll find the details ;-)
Nevertheless it is good to hear about the impression the website
made on you. You are an example for a person which has not been
familiar with the QL
Hi Andrea,
And now it is available from Beginners' Club site the new version
1.40 of Euro Converter at the address:
www.beginnersclub.org/e04e.htm
The new version has colored flags under SMSQ/E 2.98 (or ) with GD2 on
QPC2, QXL and Q40/60.
I tested it on QPC2 and QXL.
Who want to test on
Dave wrote:
They do. Unfortunately, it's something of a poor relation. They're made on
.5 or .65u processes with aluminium interconnects - generally very old
hat.
Not quite. The 68LC060RC75 uses a 0.35um process.
Still I'd love to see it in 0.15um :-)
Finally, with open hardware, and/or doing
Hi Malcolm,
I thought this free Coldfire hardware design might be useful.
It looks like a PC104 graphics card should plug in.
Thanks. It is indeed interesting. But unfortunately of no use
for running QL software.
E.g. at home I have a more advanced Coldfire board, which includes
ISA slot and
Hi Nasta,
I'm sorry, but I must destroy any hopes that Coldfire CPU's
(version 1) could execute our existing QL software. Not even
the new announced ones with better 68k compatibility. Important
instructions which behave different to 68k can not (generally)
be identified or trapped out by
Hi Dave,
I'm still looking for a schematic of the QL PCB. Also, the 8049 details.
I'm thinking of prototyping a 680X0 board with the basic QL facilities,
minus the dodgy serial and net ports, plus IDE. I have a strongarm design
here which has USB and ethernet and I'm seeing if there's a way to
Phoebus R. Dokos wrote:
I noticed earlier that you were talking about a PCI 68K system. Something
that exists although its a lot slower than Q40/60. It is called the Milan
(www.milan-computer.de) and it's a pity SMS was never ported on it. Now if
we could have the expandability of a Milan
Hi Thierry,
The old debate should software be designed before hardware ? is a
nonsense to me
I didn't mean to say that software should be designed before hardware.
When I designed the Q40/Q60, there was no software at all!!!
For me, there are two software-related conditions, before I implement
Thierry Godefroy wrote:
I don't deal with the present situation (there are still a few ISA cards
available), but with the _future_ one: if there is no PCI-based successor
to the Q60, then what the hell a future (say in five years) Q60 buyer will
be able to use with it ? No ISA card = no floppy,
Hi Dave,
So...
I think I'll start saving for a Q80 (which'll be reaching its end of life
by the time I have saved enough to get one ;)
I would not bet on the second part of your remark ;)
Peter
Hi Nasta,
[...] The proper way to 'save' the Q40/60 against ISA card
dissapearing, is to produce a Q40 speciffic 'ISA' IO card. This could
easily be a combo-card, which would also solve the 'only two slot' problem.
All of the functions you mention except network (but then also some
additional
Hi Nasta,
MIDI, I2C, and CF would be covered by the existing chips. The Ethernet
would be 10/100 which is very difficult to find as an ISA board. PCMCIA is
a bit of a problem but there are chips for the too.
Just mentioned a few ideas. It could be something else which is attractive
for Q40/Q60
Hi Dave,
Also, I noticed the 68060's are available in a variety of packages now.
What's the preference?
PGA. QFP seems obsolete, so only PGA and BGA are interesting. BGA is very
small, but only useful for volume production.
Peter
Hi,
happy birthday to you, Dave! :-)
A few answers. Nasta still uses GF for his hardware project, so I use the
same abbreviation from now on :-)
Main reasons why the Q40/Q60 uses an ISA-style extension bus:
1. No QL specific extension cards available, with use for Q40/Q60.
2. Save hardware
Hi Dave,
the pinout of the Q40/Q60 extension slot and the signal polarities are
exactly ISA.
8 interrupt lines, see hardware doc PDF.
Software-programmable slot RESET, see hardware doc PDF.
Unused (or just correctly terminated) are:
-5V, DMA signals, REF, CLK, TC, OSC, IOCHK, IORDY, LA20..23,
Hi Phoebus,
I secured a batch of 50 IDE compact flash adapters for 15.99$ each (+ s/h).
(about 17 Eur)These are not hot swapable (the hot swapable ones will go for
about double the price) but they can accept huge CF cards and even IBM
Microdrives (hehe the Irony of the thing). They work right
Hi Per,
CF media have a limited life span. Is it feasible (safe and cheap) to use
them instead of hard disks in a typical QL setting?
Different CF media use different algorithms, which can make a difference in
life span. A deep look into data sheets is needed to find out.
Generally, I'd say CF
Hi Dave,
I've received a couple of emails from people, and it's made me a bit
worried. People are asking me if they should hold off the purchase of an
upgrade, or Q60, based on something that may be released in the future.
[...]
Thanks for recognizing this problem.
People holding off decisions
Hi Duncan!
Sorry I was so short of time, I didn't try QCDEZE immediately.
My own mistake :-)
Now I tried on Q40, and it immediately worked fine! What a great
piece of software! I will soon test on Q60 as well.
Browsing, copying, executing from ISO9660 CD - it all works.
And what nice the
Bill wrote:
How have you managed to get four, Peter suggested I need to add another
I/O card but I would like to leave a slot free if possible and wondered
if there are I/O cards with both Primary and Secondary IDE on them.
Yes, there are some ISA IO cards for four IDE drives around,
but they
Hi Phoebus,
I can try however I am not sure that two channel IDE /FDD combination
cards even exist anymore.
Hm. I know they were still produced about 3 years ago. Maybe there is
overstock somewhere.
Maybe we should implement Vesa Local Bus on the Q60 (Ah don't shoot!)
Rattattattam :-)
Hi Bill,
OK so two cards it is for the time being at least, anyone got one for
sale that meets all the requirements?
DD Systems in the UK are going to supply Q40i, Q60, tested add-ons,
and systems. They will be the right partners to purchase such hardware.
DD Systems can be contacted at [EMAIL
Hi,
here's another attempt to explain the least significant bit.
Imagine you have 6 bits for each color.
G5 G4 G3 G2 G1 G0 R5 R4 R3 R2 R1 R0 B5 B4 B3 B2 B1 B0
Now the only difference between real 6 bits per color and the Q40/Q60
highcolor mode is, that you are forced to give G0, R0 and
Another question I often heard is:
... and why the green bits first, the red bits in the middle,
and the blue bits last?
Well, it doesn't really matter, so I simply arranged them in
human order :-)
The human eye senses green colors most intensive, red colors
medium intensive and blue colors
Hi Phoebus,
Check this out... interesting...
uClinux could indeed be ported to SGC, if the details needed for low-level
programming weren't Miracles secrets.
But remember: uClinux is NOT Linux!
Usually Linux applications in C/C++ are portable between different Linux
platforms (like x86,
It was indeed the 'y' and 'z' keys that we got all wrong.
Marc Swift has a simple but intelligent solution in QDOS Classic.
If it starts up with UK settings, you can use two commands to switch
to German:
KEYDT and KEZDT
Bye, Peter
Hi Michael,
Do I have to do something to get my serial mouse to work with pe ?
Q40/Q60: It should work under SMSQ/E without user configuration.
Peter
Do I have to do something to get my serial mouse to work with pe ?
Q40/Q60: It should work under SMSQ/E without user configuration.
Ok , I only have a ps/2 - serial converter , maybe it does work with a
standard serial mouse.
These converters are not really converters.
Only work if the
Marcel wrote:
Theoretically it's possible to use Win printers under SMS if we just knew
what the 1@##!@$$% they were getting from the GDI...
Of course this is possible. You just need to write a different driver
for every printer and hey, we have printer support.
Have fun. ;-)
Reminds my of
Is it possible to read qxl.win files on my q40 ?
qxltool will read them. Depending on your setup you may use
Linux to copy the files (eg from a CD) to a free partition and
convert them to something SMSQ on the Q40 can handle directly.
** This option requires great care and deep knowledge of
Hi folks,
I find it absolutely OK to have some off-topic mails on this list now and
then. But in the last weeks there has been a neverending *huge* flood of
absolutely non QL-related traffic.
PC's, Microsoft, the related software and the related viruses and the
related problems will never end,
As requested by Wolfgang Lenerz, I visit ql-users for a statement about the
SMSQ/E license.
The past:
1. SMSQ/E was simply a commercial product from commercial work. It was
developed and supported by Tony Tebby for native 68k hardware platforms,
e.g. GoldCard, QXL, SuperGoldCard, Q40, Q60.
Dave wrote:
Peter Graf and I do not exactly see eye to eye. We have agreed to disagree
when it comes to developing hardware for the Qx0.
Yes, and it is perfectly OK by me, if you prefer to develop for Goldfire or
the black QL! They may need your help even more than Qx0.
Just imagine today's
Mike wrote:
I agree entirely with Bill, having spent many thousands of pounds
running several businesses with QLs and SMSQ/E, including Q40. We
stopped because of the lack of development keeping pace with the
market. I was delighted when SMSQ/E was made open source, and
looked forward to a
Hi all,
I have two proposals for a compromise, that take the commercial needs of
Jochen Merz and Roy Wood into account:
Proposal 1:
Keep the appointed resellers. Make sure that nobody can get their
support, without purchasing the binary from them! E.g. this could be done
by registering the
Tim Swenson wrote:
Printed Manual When I got SMSQ/E I did not get a full printed
manual. I got a hardware guide and a very short guide to SMSQ/E for the
Q40 (bought mine 2 years ago).
Well, then it can not be from me or DD Systems.
We supply with each board:
- General SMSQ/E Manual
Roy wrote:
Oh dear here we go again.
I have two proposals for a compromise, that take the commercial needs of
Jochen Merz and Roy Wood into account:
Proposal 1:
Keep the appointed resellers. Make sure that nobody can get their
support, without purchasing the binary from them! E.g. this could
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
4. Distribution of SMSQ/E executables for free was forbidden. This changes
everything. It shows other passages of the license in a different light.
The combination now means, that non-commercial contributors no longer get
any rights from this license, except the
Wolfgang wrote:
Timothy,
When I got SMSQ/E from Jochen, I got:
a) A generic SMSQ/E User Guide (38 pages) that was not machine
specific
b) Custom supplement pages for each hardware environment I bought
(typically 6-10 pages)
Same here when I got my Q60.
And more.
Peter
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
everybody was invited.
No. Fact remains: This meeting was in the absence of Tony Tebby (who had
the SMSQ/E rights), me (sick), DD Systems (not invited), or
representatives of OpenSource development (vacation).
Fine. Develop it. Get it accepted as an authorised
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Just imagine today's license situation had already existed when Q40
hardware was finished. Not the slightest chance to have SMSQ/E on Q40.
Untrue.
Rubbish. None of the guys who wrote operating systems for Q40 would ever do
the same under this socalled license.
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Sorry we are not certified SMSQ/E resellers.
THIS IS UNFAIR.
Your remark is unfair. I just showed: No need to become appointed
reseller under this socalled license to do a good job. That's a valid point.
Peter
Roy wrote:
I have two proposals for a compromise, that take the commercial needs of
Jochen Merz and Roy Wood into account:
Proposal 1:
Keep the appointed resellers. Make sure that nobody can get their
support, without purchasing the binary from them! E.g. this could be done
by registering
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