Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Description and Access [rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Bernhard Eversberg [...@biblio.tu-bs.de] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 4:26 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket? Am 10.12.2010 01:48, schrieb Peter Murray: My point in listing these examples

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-10 Thread Wagstaff, D John
] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:41 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket? I think RDA actually IS a useful first step. In our current environment, we (at least in the US) pretty much catalog FOR MARC. MARC

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-10 Thread Adam L. Schiff
and Access / Resource Description and Access [rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:41 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket? I think RDA actually IS a useful first step. In our current

[RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-09 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Both AACR2 and MARC21 have been called straight jackets. We find RDA to be much more of a straight jacket than either. For example, recently a separate item (offprint or reprint?) was described as 730 02 $iContained in (work):$aJournal ... That is a bald faced lie. Talk about forcing square

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/9/2010 11:22 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: Rules should be made for patrons, not for machines. The machines exist to serve the patrons too. No patron in a a 2010 library (Or at least 99% of libraries) looks at the records you are creating _except_ through machine interfaces. If you

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-09 Thread D. Brooking
Yes, I agree with you Jonathan. *Both* the rules and the machines are tools to try to provide services for patrons. Just the means to an end. I think a lot of the confusion arises because of the very varied environments where our data are living. It's not always clear where the problem

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-09 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Jonathan Rochkind said: The machines exist to serve the patrons too. No patron in a a 2010 library (Or at least 99% of libraries) looks at the records you are creating _except_ through machine interfaces. We find MARC21 coding makes our records quite machine friendly. In fact, MARC means

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-09 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Mac wrote: snip The relationships among authors and works, manifestations and works, are for too varied to be expressed in set vocabularies. Creating them seems like a Medieval exercise in theology. /snip Jonathan Rochkind wrote: snip If catalogers are unwilling to create records that can be

Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket?

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Murray
Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 3:08 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Straight jacket? Jonathan Rochkind said: The machines exist to serve the patrons too. No patron in a a 2010 library (Or at least 99% of libraries) looks at the records you