Re: [RDA-L] Use of $4 and $e for 700's

2010-01-28 Thread Laurence Creider
What is required to make this sort of addition useful is people who are willing and able to add the information. The rare materials cataloging community is used to doing this sort of thing, both for the local catalog and to existing records in OCLC. I would suspect that some music libraries

Re: [RDA-L] 040$erda

2010-01-28 Thread Myers, John F.
If I recall the discussions, the original thought of coding 'r' for RDA in the LDR/18 exposed the Anglo-centricity of the LDR/18 value 'a' for AACR2, when all of the other national cataloging codes were relegated to 040 $e. Also working from memory, RDA records that are not ISBD punctuated will

[RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Karen Coyle
Deborah Fritz pointed out to me over coffee at ALA that there is a significant difference in granularity between the RDA elements, as defined by JSC, and what we have today in MARC. I will try to give one simple example here, using Title Proper, but I'm sure there are many others. The

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I don't know the answer, but part of this issue is the ambiguous roles of MARC vs. AACR2 in our legacy environment. MARC has _not_ simply been an 'exchange format' for some time, it has come to be a 'content standard' competing with (or extending in a complementary way, depending on your

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Ed Jones
I think the answer to both questions is yes and no. In some areas the granularity is sufficient, in others not. For example, MARC does not provide sufficient granularity for the relationships between resources in RDA, most of which must be represented by free text in subfield $i of fields

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Gene Fieg
I have always been bemused by the jargon we use. By granularity, I assume one means detailed access points. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Ed Jones ejo...@nu.edu wrote: I think the answer to both questions is yes and no. In some areas the granularity is sufficient, in others not. For

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Young,Naomi Kietzke
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:52 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity I have always been bemused by the jargon we

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If $n and $p are important distinctions, shouldn't they in fact _be_ referenced by RDA? And, really, shouldn't they have been referenced by AACR2 all along too? Theoretically, AACR2 was not tied to MARC. RDA tries to make this even more explicitly clear. It gives guidance for filling otu

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Myers, John F.
These granularity issues are not new. The granularity of MARC does not match the granularity of AACR2/ISBD. The most glaring case of MARC being insufficiently granular is the well known case of the 245$b being required to code for the parallel title (AACR2 1.1D), other title information (AACR2

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread John Attig
At 01:05 PM 1/28/2010, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: If $n and $p are important distinctions, shouldn't they in fact _be_ referenced by RDA? And, really, shouldn't they have been referenced by AACR2 all along too? They *are* referenced in RDA (and AACR2), which provides instructions for

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Well, as John Myers said previously, and I agree: I am afraid that these standing granularity issues between the various descriptive standards (AACR2, ISBD, RDA, DACS, etc.) and between each descriptive standard and the communication standard (MARC or MARC21) are going to play havoc with the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Kevin M. Randall
John Attig wrote: Subfields $n and $p are an example of this. I would hate to lose these distinctions; specifically, they relate to ISBD punctuation specifications and -- as noted in MARC 2010-DP01 -- this content designation does allow ISBD punctuation to be supplied for display rather

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Stephen Hearn
I thought that $n and $p are in 245 because they're defined as uniform title elements, and 245 is unfortunately considered to be both the descriptive title and the uniform title when coincidence allows. One value of $n and $p subfielding in uniform titles is that you can authorize headings

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and granularity

2010-01-28 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting John Attig jx...@psu.edu: Again, they are mentioned in the guidance, but not as elements -- for the reasons given above. The guidance is not *independent* of the record format in which the data is encoded -- choice of an encoding format is a necessary precondition to recording the