Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
As I understand current person authority records, there is no information specific to a work or manifestation in there---except to note the _source_ of the other information found. But all information in a person authority record is about the person in general, not about a particular work or

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread John Attig
At 07:40 PM 6/2/2008, Karen Coyle wrote: Jonathan Rochkind wrote: This is certainly how I've seen people talk about this sort of thing before, assuming that the person entity _is_ the evolution of the person authority record, and thus considered some form of authority record. I haven't really

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: As I understand current person authority records, there is no information specific to a work or manifestation in there---except to note the _source_ of the other information found. But all information in a person authority record is about the person in general, not about

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread Karen Coyle
John Attig wrote: I have argued elsewhere that there is an important distinction between an entity record for a person, family, or corporate body -- which represents the person, etc. -- and an authority record for the NAME of the person, etc. Actually my big concern is that the entity Person

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread John Attig
At 01:41 PM 6/3/2008, Karen Coyle wrote: John Attig wrote: I have argued elsewhere that there is an important distinction between an entity record for a person, family, or corporate body -- which represents the person, etc. -- and an authority record for the NAME of the person, etc. Actually

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread Mike Tribby
From your conversation with Karen Coyle: I am not sure, though, that we want a record that ONLY addresses the name choice issue. And I don't see how we can avoid it . . . unless we with to abandon the need to control the textual form of name. Very well put. I hope your words are heeded as the

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-03 Thread Robert Maxwell
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle [John Attig] Regarding Karen's second paragraph above, I believe that the person entity is intended to be universal, but the attributes

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Robert Maxwell wrote: [R Maxwell] I do not agree that authority records in some form will still be needed in a FRBR-ized catalog. If each entity has one and only one entity record in the database, then that one entity record serves all the purposes of the current authority records. When

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-02 Thread Kevin M. Randall
At 04:30 PM 6/2/2008, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Robert Maxwell wrote: [R Maxwell] I do not agree that authority records in some form will still be needed in a FRBR-ized catalog. If each entity has one and only one entity record in the database, then that one entity record serves all the purposes

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-02 Thread Laurence S. Creider
Jonathan Rochkind and Kevin Randall are correct. I was simply not thinking clearly. Laurence S. Creider On Mon, June 2, 2008 3:30 pm, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Robert Maxwell wrote: [R Maxwell] I do not agree that authority records in some form will still be needed in a FRBR-ized catalog. If

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-02 Thread Laurence S. Creider
I think that I understand what Bob Maxwell is saying, and I agree with him that 4.1 and 4.2 could be construed to mean that only manifestation-level records should be made. A statement to the effect that other levels of the FRBR hierarchy should or could be represented in catalogs would be a good

Re: [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES 1 of 2

2008-06-02 Thread Karen Coyle
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: This is certainly how I've seen people talk about this sort of thing before, assuming that the person entity _is_ the evolution of the person authority record, and thus considered some form of authority record. I haven't really thought this through far enough, but