Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
Hello Su Nee (I hope I got your name correct!), Koha 3.0 works with MARCXML now. This is where you can see it in action at the John C. Fremont Library District (below). Again, open source is free but this does not mean there are no associated costs. For example, someone could say that they will give you a free house, and you may be happy but if they are only giving you all the wood, bricks, mortar, and so on, it still needs to be built. Some open source projects are like this; others are more advanced. With Koha, it has advanced significantly to where you will have relatively little maintenance problems. Customizing it is actually the fun part and if you know basic web programming (HTML, Javascript, Style sheets) you can do a lot. If you don't have those skills, there is still a lot you can do, but these skills are easily and cheaply available everywhere now. Suffice it to say, that if you want to change something in Koha, it can be done without asking anyone's permission. With proprietary software, you must ask and wait, sometimes forever. But as an example of what you can do, look at my catalog (based on Koha 2.2.7) http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl which I have modified a lot. I made my own display and it works in different ways from other catalogs. For instance, I have managed to embed tutorials, and one I will suggest you look at, which is an overview of my catalog: http://issuu.com/j.weinheimer/docs/aurcatalog?mode=embedviewMode=presentationlayout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xmlbackgroundColor=61A900showFlipBtn=true and then look especially at the Extend Search which is used only in my catalog: http://issuu.com/j.weinheimer/docs/extendingthesearch?mode=embedviewMode=presentationlayout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xmlbackgroundColor=61A900showFlipBtn=true Another example: I managed to work with the Worldcat API to provide automatic citations, e.g. see http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=25256 and click on Get a Citation It is only with open source that you can experiment in these ways. Otherwise, you can only wait and receive what the owners decide to give you. Try my Extend Search and let me know what you think. Hosting your own web server (on a local machine) can be quite an experience. I host mine locally, and sometimes you get hit with spammers and so on and you have to deal with it yourself. These are matters beyond my capabilities, but there is a professor here who enjoys playing with perl and linux, so between the two of us, we have been able to deal with it. But if you don't want to deal with these things, you can find someone else to host your site, for pay. I don't know how much something like that would cost, but probably not very much. There are some hosts that specialize in Koha, also. I want to convert to Koha3.0 but I have run into conversion problems and can't do it yet. If I could, I wouldn't waste a second! The Extensible Catalog also looks very, very nice but I have no experience with it. http://www.extensiblecatalog.org/ It can work with Drupal, but there are lots of possibilities using plug-ins and add-ons with browsers like Firefox (also open source). I hope this helps you. Ciao, Jim James Weinheimer j.weinhei...@aur.edu Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Goh Su Nee Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:46 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS Hi James, Thanks very much for your useful comments. I'm not a technical person and thus wouldn't know much about the implications of open-source software. I only know that it's free and that it normally requires a fair amount of programming expertise and effort for customization purposes. What do you think would be the advantages of an open-source software LMS besides the cost benefit? Would you know any non-open-source software LMS that would meet the demands of RDA, XML or MARCXML? Best regards, Su Nee, Goh -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Weinheimer Jim Sent: Friday, 12 February, 2010 12:06 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS With modern databases, the same record can be exist in various ways. For example, the Koha catalog places the records in a relational database, plus the records exist also in MARCXML that drive the Zebra indexing. To demonstrate this rather vaporous statement, look at the Koha catalog at the John C. Fremont Library District http://jcfld.us.to/ (chosen at random). Do a search
Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS - Apology
Pardons to all. I made a mistake. This message should have been sent privately since this is getting too far off-topic. Jim James Weinheimer j.weinhei...@aur.edu Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Weinheimer Jim Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:14 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS Hello Su Nee (I hope I got your name correct!), Koha 3.0 works with MARCXML now. This is where you can see it in action at the John C. Fremont Library District (below). Again, open source is free but this does not mean there are no associated costs. For example, someone could say that they will give you a free house, and you may be happy but if they are only giving you all the wood, bricks, mortar, and so on, it still needs to be built. Some open source projects are like this; others are more advanced. With Koha, it has advanced significantly to where you will have relatively little maintenance problems. Customizing it is actually the fun part and if you know basic web programming (HTML, Javascript, Style sheets) you can do a lot. If you don't have those skills, there is still a lot you can do, but these skills are easily and cheaply available everywhere now. Suffice it to say, that if you want to change something in Koha, it can be done without asking anyone's permission. With proprietary software, you must ask and wait, sometimes forever. But as an example of what you can do, look at my catalog (based on Koha 2.2.7) http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl which I have modified a lot. I made my own display and it works in different ways from other catalogs. For instance, I have managed to embed tutorials, and one I will suggest you look at, which is an overview of my catalog: http://issuu.com/j.weinheimer/docs/aurcatalog?mode=embedviewMode=presentationlayout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xmlbackgroundColor=61A900showFlipBtn=true and then look especially at the Extend Search which is used only in my catalog: http://issuu.com/j.weinheimer/docs/extendingthesearch?mode=embedviewMode=presentationlayout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xmlbackgroundColor=61A900showFlipBtn=true Another example: I managed to work with the Worldcat API to provide automatic citations, e.g. see http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=25256 and click on Get a Citation It is only with open source that you can experiment in these ways. Otherwise, you can only wait and receive what the owners decide to give you. Try my Extend Search and let me know what you think. Hosting your own web server (on a local machine) can be quite an experience. I host mine locally, and sometimes you get hit with spammers and so on and you have to deal with it yourself. These are matters beyond my capabilities, but there is a professor here who enjoys playing with perl and linux, so between the two of us, we have been able to deal with it. But if you don't want to deal with these things, you can find someone else to host your site, for pay. I don't know how much something like that would cost, but probably not very much. There are some hosts that specialize in Koha, also. I want to convert to Koha3.0 but I have run into conversion problems and can't do it yet. If I could, I wouldn't waste a second! The Extensible Catalog also looks very, very nice but I have no experience with it. http://www.extensiblecatalog.org/ It can work with Drupal, but there are lots of possibilities using plug-ins and add-ons with browsers like Firefox (also open source). I hope this helps you. Ciao, Jim James Weinheimer j.weinhei...@aur.edu Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Goh Su Nee Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:46 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS Hi James, Thanks very much for your useful comments. I'm not a technical person and thus wouldn't know much about the implications of open-source software. I only know that it's free and that it normally requires a fair amount of programming expertise and effort for customization purposes. What do you think would be the advantages of an open-source software LMS besides the cost benefit? Would you know any non-open-source software LMS that would meet the demands of RDA, XML or MARCXML? Best regards, Su Nee, Goh -Original Message- From: Resource
Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
Goh Su Nee asked:
...Would you know of any library mgt system that is xml-based? Can it
work with MARC records since we're still doing our cataloguing in OCLC
Connexion?
It's not MARC *or* XML. There is a cross walk to create MARCXML from MARC.
We do crosswalks for clients with nonMARC based systems. Walks back, when
system migration time comes, sometimes work and sometimes do not.
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[RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
Hi, Our Library is considering a change in LMS. I've been asked to look into cataloguing requirements, including future ones. I'm wondering with the upcoming RDA, what are the things I should be looking out for? Your thoughts would be deeply appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Su Nee Goh Su Nee :: Head, Bibliographic Services Division :: Head, Library Facilities Planning Division Nanyang Technological University :: Lee Wee Nam Library :: North Spine 3, 50 Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 639798 Phone: (65) 6316 2905 :: Fax : (65) 6791 4637 :: E-mail:su...@ntu.edu.sg:: http://www.ntu.edu.sg/library CONFIDENTIALITY: This email is intended solely for the person(s) named. The contents may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it, notify us, and do not copy or use it, nor disclose its contents. Thank you. Towards A Sustainable Earth: Print Only When Necessary
Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
Goh Su Nee asked:
I've been asked to look into cataloguing requirements, including
future ones. I'm wondering with the upcoming RDA, what are the things
I should be looking out for?
I would ask an ILS vendor how they plan to implement RDA/MARC21 fields
336 content, 337 media type, and 338 carrier. I would ask the ease of
global change, e.g., removing $pN.T. and $pO.T. between Bible
and $pBook; and spelling out those initials if no following $p. It
may also be necessary to spell out Dept. in 110/710, to have entries
interfile properly.
Other than this, RDA/MARC21 records should integrate with present
AACR2/MARC21 records.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
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Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
Dear Su Nee The keyword of RDA is extensibility and interoperability. I would think a xml-based system would be better than a marc-based system. The new system should support integration of traditional collections and digital collections into one catalogue. It should have an open cataloguing workflow with ready tools supporting exporting and importing of records offline. This is to give you more freedom to do mass modification due to change of rules and practice, and ingestion of records from external sources. Regards Henry Lam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Goh Su Nee su...@ntu.edu.sg wrote: Hi, Our Library is considering a change in LMS. I've been asked to look into cataloguing requirements, including future ones. I'm wondering with the upcoming RDA, what are the things I should be looking out for? Your thoughts would be deeply appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Su Nee Goh Su Nee :: Head, Bibliographic Services Division :: Head, Library Facilities Planning Division Nanyang Technological University :: Lee Wee Nam Library :: North Spine 3, 50 Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 639798 Phone: (65) 6316 2905 :: Fax : (65) 6791 4637 :: E-mail:su...@ntu.edu.sg:: http://www.ntu.edu.sg/library CONFIDENTIALITY: This email is intended solely for the person(s) named. The contents may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it, notify us, and do not copy or use it, nor disclose its contents. Thank you. Towards A Sustainable Earth: Print Only When Necessary
Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
With modern databases, the same record can be exist in various ways. For example, the Koha catalog places the records in a relational database, plus the records exist also in MARCXML that drive the Zebra indexing. To demonstrate this rather vaporous statement, look at the Koha catalog at the John C. Fremont Library District http://jcfld.us.to/ (chosen at random). Do a search and you will see how the Titles, Series, Authors, and so on are extracted and shown in the left-hand column. It also searches so fast that you don't need a stop word list. Best of all, Koha is open-source software, which means that it is free (but certainly not without cost: a server, maintenance, and so on). I would only add to Mr. Lam's excellent advice that eventually it will be important to be able to offer your own web services from your catalog so that your data will be able to interact with all kinds of other data out there. James Weinheimer j.weinhei...@aur.edu Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Henry Lam Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:55 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS Dear Su Nee The keyword of RDA is extensibility and interoperability. I would think a xml-based system would be better than a marc-based system. The new system should support integration of traditional collections and digital collections into one catalogue. It should have an open cataloguing workflow with ready tools supporting exporting and importing of records offline. This is to give you more freedom to do mass modification due to change of rules and practice, and ingestion of records from external sources. Regards Henry Lam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Goh Su Nee su...@ntu.edu.sg wrote: Hi, Our Library is considering a change in LMS. I've been asked to look into cataloguing requirements, including future ones. I'm wondering with the upcoming RDA, what are the things I should be looking out for? Your thoughts would be deeply appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Su Nee Goh Su Nee :: Head, Bibliographic Services Division :: Head, Library Facilities Planning Division Nanyang Technological University :: Lee Wee Nam Library :: North Spine 3, 50 Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 639798 Phone: (65) 6316 2905 :: Fax : (65) 6791 4637 :: E-mail:su...@ntu.edu.sg:: http://www.ntu.edu.sg/library CONFIDENTIALITY: This email is intended solely for the person(s) named. The contents may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it, notify us, and do not copy or use it, nor disclose its contents. Thank you. Towards A Sustainable Earth: Print Only When Necessary
Re: [RDA-L] RDA requirements in LMS
Goh Su Nee asked:
I've been asked to look into cataloguing requirements, including
future ones.
I failed to mention the most basic requirement. Sorry.
The ILS should provide for MARC in and MARC out, so long as MARC is in
use. Otherwise it would be difficult to aquire records via Z39.50
searching, or to migrate to another ILS down the road.
You should also see that that there are author, title, subject,
classed, and genre searches.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
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