Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-23 Thread Adger Williams
2013 08:37:18 -0500 From: Adger Williams awilli...@colgate.edu Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
/ Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles Adam, These examples all seem to follow LC's interpretation of the first sentence of RDA 6.2.2.10, i.e. none

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 20.12.2013 13:37, schrieb Heidrun Wiesenmüller: I think the interesting point to note is that not everything which consists of several works by the same person is in fact a compilation of works. Rather, in the case of... This is the sort of casuistry we've never envied AACR users for.

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
We are talking about the level of the work here. The title of the manifestation is, of course, always recorded in the respective manifestation element. Heidrun Bernhard Eversberg wrote: Am 20.12.2013 13:37, schrieb Heidrun Wiesenmüller: I think the interesting point to note is that not

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Adger Williams
Aren't conventional collective titles really Form/Genre headings? (Poems. Selections, vs. Essays Selections, vs. Works Selections) Would they not serve their function less confusingly if we treated them that way? FWIW, my institution has been removed CCTs from LC records ever since the

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 20.12.2013 14:32, schrieb Heidrun Wiesenmüller: We are talking about the level of the work here. The title of the manifestation is, of course, always recorded in the respective manifestation element. But you know that we had non of that casuistry in our rules? And for reasons that had been

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: But you know that we had non of that casuistry in our rules? And for reasons that had been discussed thoroughly for quite some time. Did we or our users suffer from that or were they pestering us for qualified contentional collective titles? Isn't it just the very

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread James Weinheimer
On 12/20/2013 2:49 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: snip Adger Williams wrote: Aren't conventional collective titles really Form/Genre headings? (Poems. Selections, vs. Essays Selections, vs. Works Selections) Would they not serve their function less confusingly if we treated them that way?

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
James Weinheimer wrote: On 12/20/2013 2:49 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: snip Adger Williams wrote: Aren't conventional collective titles really Form/Genre headings? (Poems. Selections, vs. Essays Selections, vs. Works Selections) Would they not serve their function less confusingly if

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread James Weinheimer
On 12/20/2013 4:15 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: snip Are you really sure they can? My feeling is that up to now, both aims have been fulfilled only partly. Maybe this is what makes it so unsatisfactory. /snip I honestly don't think that is the real problem. For the public, the collective

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
James, Before making our records even more complicated (and committing more and more ever-disappearing resources) it would make sense to find out if collective uniform titles are/could be useful to the public and if not, why not, and then continue from there. Otherwise, we are all working on

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread James Weinheimer
On 12/20/2013 5:13 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: snip Thanks, I wasn't aware of this LCRI (I'm afraid there's still a lot I don't know about Anglo-American cataloging). Indeed this sounds rather complicated and a lot of effort. Also, I'm not sure I've really understood its consequences:

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Tarango, Adolfo
Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 4:37 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles Adolfo, I've read up

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Adolfo, My understanding of FRBR is that regardless of independent existence prior to its appearance, each poem, short story, song, etc., is considered a work in and of itself regardless of whether their creator considered them such. Since a compilation is simply defined as a gathering of

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-20 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Dec 2013 08:37:18 -0500 From: Adger Williams awilli...@colgate.edu Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-19 Thread Tarango, Adolfo
Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles Adam, These examples all seem to follow LC's interpretation of the first sentence of RDA 6.2.2.10, i.e. none

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

2013-12-18 Thread Adam L. Schiff
-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles Adam, These examples all seem to follow LC's interpretation of the first sentence of RDA 6.2.2.10, i.e. none of these collections was treated as being known under its own