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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 22:54
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Latin, the dead language
Jim said:
Concerning the standard
On 05/03/2011 04:18 PM, John Hostage wrote:
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Although any string could conceivably be used as a code, Mac demonstrates the difficulty of using
such strings as codes. If it depends on entering punctuation and capitalization correctly, it is unlikely to
be data that has been entered
, Thomas
[tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
I think the point is not on we but on our users. Sending them to a
glossary or to Wikipedia to understand the content of an element (which
may
Am 02.05.2011 14:21, schrieb Will Evans:
Your faith in the authors of RDA is touching, but it
seems to me they assume users live in a vacuum and are incapable of
acquiring a modicum of cultural literacy.
And anyway, Latin is not dead as long as English lives. English is,
of all non-Romance
Concerning the standard catalog abbreviations, I wish that people would
stop thinking of them as Latin abbreviations and instead, as data
that has been entered consistently in our records over many, many
years. Because it has been, and consequently, it is a very valuable
commodity. Thinking in
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Will Evans
Sent: May 2, 2011 8:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Latin, the dead language
As a cataloger
Mac,
It's Schiff, not Schift.
Secondly, the code i in LDR/18 says nothing about abbreviations. It
only refers to whether the record contains ISBD punctuation provisions:
18 - Descriptive cataloging form
One-character alphanumeric code that indicates characteristics of the
descriptive data
Jim said:
Concerning the standard catalog abbreviations, I wish that people would
stop thinking of them as Latin abbreviations and instead, as data
that has been entered consistently in our records over many, many
years.
And can be translated into any language of the catalogue more easily
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[RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca]
Sent: April-29-11 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Latin, the dead language
In the conversations that many members of this list tend to find as boring and
pointless as can be, it has been suggested that abbreviations based on Latin
terms are arcane and that most library patrons likely don't understand them. I
have mixed feelings about this, ranging from strong
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Subject: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
In the conversations that many members of this list tend to find as boring and
pointless as can be, it has been suggested that abbreviations based on Latin
terms are arcane and that most library patrons likely don't understand them
4:12 PM
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Subject: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
In the conversations that many members of this list tend to find as boring
and pointless as can be, it has been suggested that abbreviations based on
Latin terms are arcane and that most library patrons likely don't
Tribby
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:12 PM
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Subject: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
In the conversations that many members of this list tend to find as boring
and pointless as can be, it has been suggested that abbreviations based on
Latin terms are arcane
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Benjamin A Abrahamse
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:24 PM
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[tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
I think the point is not on we but on our users. Sending them to a glossary
or to Wikipedia to understand the content of an element (which may be found
Sent: April 29, 2011 5:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
s.l, s.n. both are in Wikipedia.. that was enough for me to decide we would
continue to use them and not apply the RDA recommendation.
Guy Frost, B.M.E., M.M.E., M.L.S., Ed.S
Catalog
Quoting Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.com:
RDA will have us indicate that what was on the t.p. was not the correct
form using a note, as per:
---
1.7.9 Inaccuracies
When instructed to transcribe an element as it appears on the source of
information, transcribe an
Benjamin said:
I was at a presentation on RDA yesterday where someone mentioned that
they would like to be able to indicate that what was on the t.p. was
not the correct form but that there wasn't an option to do so in RDA.
So, absit omen.. I guess [sic] is out, as well ?
Yes, along with
5:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
I think the point is not on we but on our users. Sending them to a
glossary or to Wikipedia to understand the content of an element (which may
be found in a completely different context than an ISBD display
Hal Cain wrote:
Quoting Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.com:
So, [sic] and [i.e.] are both out, but we havent' lost useful
information
for our users, just moved it.
And moved it so that it won't appear in a brief display (consulting
which is the user's first step in selecting which
, April 29, 2011 4:12 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
In the conversations that many members of this list tend to find as boring
and pointless as can be, it has been suggested that abbreviations based on
Latin terms are arcane and that most library patrons
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language
I think the point is not on we but on our users. Sending them to a
glossary or to Wikipedia to understand the content
Adam L. Schift said:
I don't see anywhere in RDA an instruction that would allow a cataloger to
use the Latin abbreviations S.l. or s.n. in place of the phrases given in
the instructions above. Using these abbreviations would mean you should
not code the record as a RDA record.
How do you
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